And it would seem that CCP caters to them.

Nooo don't nerf it's the only thing thats gallente that is not underpowered shotguns and plasma cannons.

The assault rifle is filling in a bunch of gaps ATM I suspect... But straight nerfing it without filling in the gaps is the wrong way.

They are currently testing the RR and CR now... Like all things dust... Well just have to wait.

I don't know what half of you people are talking about. CCP needs to put down the AR for a while and give some love to other weapons that lack "rifle" in the title.

Well if they balance the ar it needs more damange but shorter range then the assault scrambler rifle.

Balancing the AR is actually very easy: Standard variant and breach variant have their RoF switched. Easy.

Sheesh reading threads like these tells me that people dont pay any attention they just spec into something and then other ppl complain that those players all specced into the same weapon. You realize the scrambler is better than the AR right?

3 shots? lolwhat?

Bet you use a sr, is that why you want it to out range the assault rifle?

assault rilfe rounds are instantaous in this game, you fire, they are hit no matter the range. flaylcok takes skill because the blast radius is small and you have to lead your shots, due to horrible ht detection even good shots (in the 1m radius they give you) sometimes miss for no reason.

the trajectory calculations for flaylocks and MD are extremely difficult to manage verses agile opponents.

AR is point and shoot, with no recoil. how could you miss, its so acurrate, and the hip fire is so precise that it can devastate in CQC as well. thats why the numbers are so high, you can use an AR for everything

ARs have been OP since chromosome. its just that sharpeshooter helped other guns keep up better, so people QQ'd. if sharp shooter gave HMGs AR range imagine how much range an AR had with sharp shooter? yeah, that was OP

The AR since uprising, has been the only effective weapon at pretty much everything except AV, and even then, with vehicles the way they are ive seen ARs blow up tanks (concentrated fire, but still)

duvoule dps = 509 (this is without proficiency, and damage mods, just the blanket 10%). so in one second of concentrated fire you can down 2-3 militia suits, without head shots, up to your max range
in 2 seconds you can down my heavy.

this is not just 509 of spread and pray howevery like an HMG which can't be aimed. you have pinpoint accuracy, no recoil, negligible dispersion, and supreme hip fire accuracy. your reload is as fast as lightening, and the flexibility of the suit allows you to carry nano hives for your self. out ranging all but a sniper and scambler rifle (lasers suck so they dnt really count) at mid range everything is your *****.

in close range the hip fire accuracy means that downing shotgun scouts and heavies especially is a pinch.

so, that 509 dps can be effective at all important ranges unchallenged.


people complained about flaylocks in PC owning people, but remember the flaylocks were only being used at close range where they were designed to be used, outside that they are useless unless the guy is standing still. and you needed adv and proto to have any effect on enemies. adv and proto SMGs would wreck **** just as bad as flaylocks in CQC. but flaylocks arent spray and pray chip damage machines so they had to be nerfed.


well, people complained that flaylocks were being dual weilded, proto SMGs can be dual wielded too... and they are just as effective.

how about this one... "the only thing people are using are flaylocks they kill everything.. nerf, nerf, derp, nerf". well, now everything is going to be all AR. you can literally, use ARs to do everything in the game. and if you get enough people you can take down, tanks, LAVs, dropships so fast that your AR is more effective than AV.

wanna pwn in mid range, use an AR, wanna kill a heavy with an HMG, use an AR beats it at all ranges (dnt say CQC only works if guys standing still), whanna use a shotgun or SMG for CQC, just use an AR the hip fire is better and you'll get more consistant results.... seeing a trend here? besides grenades ARs pretty handle everything elses job better.

Please refer to #4 from my previous statement D legendary hero



I agree that many other weapons are UP at this point. In fact I think Cromosome had the weapon balance pretty much correct. HMG's need a damage buff as do lasers to bring them all back up to the chromosome gold standard as I like to refer to it. Don't worry though as I stated before, everything...will change.

I remember the days of Dust when we saw a large variety of weapons used. Not anymore.

I remember complaining when a scrambler pistol killed me or an HMG tore me up. I remember being worried when I heard a laser. I remember mass drivers that would suppress the crap out of me while approaching an objective.
I once even used the SMG on my scout suit and it was a beastly weapon but that was back in Skirmish 1.0 days.
I remember the shotgun in the hands of a scout and you'd have to call that out to your team since it was a huge threat.

All that time, the AR still reigned supreme but at least the scrambler pistol, laser, HMG, massdriver, SMG, and shotgun worked well against AR users and non AR users of equal skill in Chromosome and earlier builds.

The laser could out range the AR user. The Shotgun could out CQC the AR, the HMG (when it had range) could suppress the AR.

I always found the laser (not including the Viziam or damage mods) and HMG to be the most effective weapons against the AR in Chromosome but not anymore. Those were the days.

For once I agree with the AR toting masses. Like the OP hinted at. The problem isn't that the AR is OP. It's that they nerf the crap our of anything that isn't a standard AR.

If I could force CCP to do things my way for awhile I would have them put the nerf bat on the shelf and start buffing things that need it starting with small turrets for vehicles, then the plasma cannon, then the laser rifle, then armor tanking for dropsuits, then the shotgun...

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