Well if they balance the ar it needs more damange but shorter range then the assault scrambler rifle.

Agreed, Buff RoF by 10-15 RPM, and Buff Damage by 3-7 Points, and Drop its by range a third/quarter.

Balancing the AR is actually very easy: Standard variant and breach variant have their RoF switched. Easy.

Oh Jesus that be scary.

Remember the BrAR from Codex?

It be like that on steroids.

*Shivers* the BrAR needs a moderate RoF buff, and, I would settle for just cutting the STD AR range by a third. AR has a good TTK right now. And a lot of other guns need a fix (I say fix cause SGs are UP cause CQC HD and aiming isn't really good. And several other weapons are like it), not a straight buff, like that thing about HMGhD that of you don't have the dot on target, nothing hits.

The only thing they really need to do to balance the standard AR is bullet spread in my opinion not to much though still needs a little accuracy around medium ranges

the variants need a little buffing though
range for breach AR
damage for burst AR
Tac AR is grand no change necessary since the nerf

QFT. Currently we're playing AR 514. The AR is way overused, and it's well past time that CCP do something about it.

It seems though that the current philosophy from CCP regarding Dust is go AR or go home.

Hail AR 514, hail king AR.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is about the standard full auto right? That's the one that needs to have the shortest range, like breach AR range. The breach could use a RoF buff, burst needs less dispersion with virtually no kick and the TAC AR is fine as is after it got rebalanced.

I remember the days of Dust when we saw a large variety of weapons used. Not anymore.

I remember complaining when a scrambler pistol killed me or an HMG tore me up. I remember being worried when I heard a laser. I remember mass drivers that would suppress the crap out of me while approaching an objective.
I once even used the SMG on my scout suit and it was a beastly weapon but that was back in Skirmish 1.0 days.
I remember the shotgun in the hands of a scout and you'd have to call that out to your team since it was a huge threat.

All that time, the AR still reigned supreme but at least the scrambler pistol, laser, HMG, massdriver, SMG, and shotgun worked well against AR users and non AR users of equal skill in Chromosome and earlier builds.

The laser could out range the AR user. The Shotgun could out CQC the AR, the HMG (when it had range) could suppress the AR.

I always found the laser (not including the Viziam or damage mods) and HMG to be the most effective weapons against the AR in Chromosome but not anymore. Those were the days.

they need to nerf the damage out put of these weapons OR increase the damage out put of the HMG. because an HMG should never be out dps'd or out gunned by an AR, in a situation of equal standing

At one point I had the understanding that CCP wanted balance to all weapons and that they were checking their metrics constantly. Wouldn't the metrics indicate that the VAST majority of people are using the AR? While I totally understand that this is the vanilla/standard weapon, what I don't enjoy seeing is nothing but assault rifles peppered with some heavies and snipers in match after match. I don't want to see the AR get pounded by the CCP Nerf Hammer (as this is what usually happens) but I would like to see some balance made to it where other weapons are desired as well. When you start to see scouts running ARs you really have to wonder.

All in all, what I truly curious about is this: What are the metrics and percentages behind how many use the AR? Is the amount of people using the AR CCP's intent?

I really do enjoy the concept behind the game, but being a scout class character I am not presently finding much enjoyment in this.

I understand why you don't enjoy this. The only solution is to change it up and suggest to squadmates to change it up. You have the power already in your hands to make a difference. I personally find it offensive that every last scout on the map seems to carry a militia shotgun.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is about the standard full auto right? That's the one that needs to have the shortest range, like breach AR range. The breach could use a RoF buff, burst needs less dispersion with virtually no kick and the TAC AR is fine as is after it got rebalanced.

The AR doesn't need a damage nerf it needs more spread.

It should be used as a mid range weapon...not a long range one that's still super accurate from far away. This is all that needs to be changed and then the AR will finally feel like what it's meant to be.

Gah. I have been saying this ever since the first build I started playing this game in and it has never changed.

Kick and dispersion were near perfect in Chromosome from what I remember. The GEK kicked like a donkey on PCP compared to now. You can go through almost a full clip with pinpoint accuracy before any kind of recoil. Only problem is that it didn't matter back then since weaponry, proficiency and a complex damage mod could get cheap incidental damage kills from across the map.

That sums it up pretty much.
We all know it was Sharpshooter that was ******* everything up. That's why it was taken out.

If the regular AR is given the same kick in ADS as the Assault Scrambler Rifle, problem solved.

Not sure what the delay is. That really is the only thing left that's wrong with the AR. Increase the ADS kick from the moment you start firing. Problem solved.

write down every infantry and vehicle weapon and tally which weapons are making most kills... doubt ARs will even make 50%

I've done this many times.

ARs were around 65-70%
Snipers made up 20%
HMG's, grenades, and LAV's made up another 10%

I'd like to know how a militia AR did 800 damage to me from one bullet. This happens constantly. Kinda getting annoying

I (in a Heavy, 1133 HP) went toe to toe wit a Medium Amarr Assault (ADV Version). He had a GEK, I had a MLR-A Burst HMG(Level 4 Proficency, 1 Complex Damage mod).

We both stood still firing at each other from 15 meters. I put 2 bursts in him(~3.5-4 seconds). He put god knows how many rounds in to me.

Guess who won the combat? Hint: It was the AR that did over 1356 recorded damage. Not the Burst AR which (on paper) should have done 1,605 damage.

The simple fact that the AR did near-comparable damage to the Burst HMG (Which is supposed to be the absolute 'last word' in rapid damage dealing) is flat out stupid. The fact that the Medium survived the bursts is flat out incorrect.

GEK Medium wins vs a Burst HMG Heavy, in a 'stand your ground' close range shoot off? What a load of.. You know..

AR's need to get sorted - ASAP.

And while they're at it, please sort Hit Detection as well; It's part and parcel to HMG damage, and I'm fairly sure it's the reason HMG's underperform ARs right now.