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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
343
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:55:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Cmon, we're getting a free booster, we have all this extra SP, and you guys still want a respec?
Let it go. I wanted a respec until I decided to try out scrambler pistols. Just do something new. IWS has it right in this regard; his omni-soldier build means he can try something new every week.
Respecs should only come if there is massive change. Uprising needed one. We don't need one now. I'd say the only real necessity would come from racial dropsuits, BUT remember that there is the possibility of pirate faction dropsuits, which require two dropsuit skills anyway.
Or if they totally change the skill system again. But I really doubt it. I'll admit the skill system ain't perfect, but I realise it probably doesn't need drastic change either.
And just a note: I've never played with boosters. My unallocated SP usually never goes above 500k. I have prototype gear but I'm not satisfied. I'd love to try something new with a respec, but the whole point of progression crumbles.
The whole reason New Eden keeps you coming back, the whole reason you keep complaining even as you play, the whole reason two years down the track the game will be twice as good if not better, is because of this progression. It's because you can't undo your mistakes like the stat reallocations that almost every other MMORPG allows you to purchase.
So deal with it. In the long-term we will lose more players than we keep if people keep getting respecs. The game will lose its purpose.
I think the CCP philosophy should be: If they change a skill or dropsuit with a related skill, even if it is -1% or +100% bonus, the skill points should be refunded immidiately when the patch hits. This should be accumulative from uprising start. In that case we would all get re-funded SP for our dropsuits (for example I lost my reload bonus, which was the ONLY REASON why I picked this assault ck.0 dropsuit over a gallente one). This means giving us the possibility to LIVE WITH OUR CHOICES. Not like today, live with your choices until CCP takes a dump on them.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1634
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:55:00 -
[752] - Quote
Vyzion Eyri wrote:Cmon, we're getting a free booster, we have all this extra SP, and you guys still want a respec?
Let it go. I wanted a respec until I decided to try out scrambler pistols. Just do something new. IWS has it right in this regard; his omni-soldier build means he can try something new every week.
Respecs should only come if there is massive change. Uprising needed one. We don't need one now. I'd say the only real necessity would come from racial dropsuits, BUT remember that there is the possibility of pirate faction dropsuits, which require two dropsuit skills anyway.
Or if they totally change the skill system again. But I really doubt it. I'll admit the skill system ain't perfect, but I realise it probably doesn't need drastic change either.
And just a note: I've never played with boosters. My unallocated SP usually never goes above 500k. I have prototype gear but I'm not satisfied. I'd love to try something new with a respec, but the whole point of progression crumbles.
The whole reason New Eden keeps you coming back, the whole reason you keep complaining even as you play, the whole reason two years down the track the game will be twice as good if not better, is because of this progression. It's because you can't undo your mistakes like the stat reallocations that almost every other MMORPG allows you to purchase.
So deal with it. In the long-term we will lose more players than we keep if people keep getting respecs. The game will lose its purpose.
Thats easy to say when your entire class is not getting built from the ground up again
I will lose vehicles/skills/mods/weapons and the skills we have left are being changed
The entire vehicle tree is being reworked |
Haerr
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
86
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:58:00 -
[753] - Quote
Is the skill tree being reworked in 1.7?
Yes.
Respec thank you very much.
Is the breach shotgun working as inteded?
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
527
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:58:00 -
[754] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Cmon, we're getting a free booster, we have all this extra SP, and you guys still want a respec?
Let it go. I wanted a respec until I decided to try out scrambler pistols. Just do something new. IWS has it right in this regard; his omni-soldier build means he can try something new every week.
Respecs should only come if there is massive change. Uprising needed one. We don't need one now. I'd say the only real necessity would come from racial dropsuits, BUT remember that there is the possibility of pirate faction dropsuits, which require two dropsuit skills anyway.
Or if they totally change the skill system again. But I really doubt it. I'll admit the skill system ain't perfect, but I realise it probably doesn't need drastic change either.
And just a note: I've never played with boosters. My unallocated SP usually never goes above 500k. I have prototype gear but I'm not satisfied. I'd love to try something new with a respec, but the whole point of progression crumbles.
The whole reason New Eden keeps you coming back, the whole reason you keep complaining even as you play, the whole reason two years down the track the game will be twice as good if not better, is because of this progression. It's because you can't undo your mistakes like the stat reallocations that almost every other MMORPG allows you to purchase.
So deal with it. In the long-term we will lose more players than we keep if people keep getting respecs. The game will lose its purpose. I think the CCP philosophy should be: If they change a skill or dropsuit with a related skill, even if it is -1% or +100% bonus, the skill points should be refunded immidiately when the patch hits. This should be accumulative from uprising start. In that case we would all get re-funded SP for our dropsuits (for example I lost my reload bonus, which was the ONLY REASON why I picked this assault ck.0 dropsuit over a gallente one). This means giving us the possibility to LIVE WITH OUR CHOICES. Not like today, live with your choices until CCP takes a dump on them. ^^^^^^THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SCREW OVER SOMEONES SKILLS THAT THEY WORKED TO GET AND THEN CHANGE IT TO SOMETHING THEY DONT EVEN WANT!.......all that time and effort for nothing. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
343
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:58:00 -
[755] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Cmon, we're getting a free booster, we have all this extra SP, and you guys still want a respec?
Let it go. I wanted a respec until I decided to try out scrambler pistols. Just do something new. IWS has it right in this regard; his omni-soldier build means he can try something new every week.
Respecs should only come if there is massive change. Uprising needed one. We don't need one now. I'd say the only real necessity would come from racial dropsuits, BUT remember that there is the possibility of pirate faction dropsuits, which require two dropsuit skills anyway.
Or if they totally change the skill system again. But I really doubt it. I'll admit the skill system ain't perfect, but I realise it probably doesn't need drastic change either.
And just a note: I've never played with boosters. My unallocated SP usually never goes above 500k. I have prototype gear but I'm not satisfied. I'd love to try something new with a respec, but the whole point of progression crumbles.
The whole reason New Eden keeps you coming back, the whole reason you keep complaining even as you play, the whole reason two years down the track the game will be twice as good if not better, is because of this progression. It's because you can't undo your mistakes like the stat reallocations that almost every other MMORPG allows you to purchase.
So deal with it. In the long-term we will lose more players than we keep if people keep getting respecs. The game will lose its purpose. Thats easy to say when your entire class is not getting built from the ground up again I will lose vehicles/skills/mods/weapons and the skills we have left are being changed The entire vehicle tree is being reworked
Hopefully they will do a similar change for dropsuits, then we could maybe have some kind of diversity in this game.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
546
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:03:00 -
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Yea the infantry skill tree really needs a rework. Some suits are just worthless. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7442
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:21:00 -
[757] - Quote
Bump for righteousness
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Haerr
Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION
89
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Posted - 2013.11.07 13:21:00 -
[758] - Quote
Forgot to sign.
/Signed!
Is the breach shotgun working as inteded?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
1152
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Posted - 2013.11.07 15:14:00 -
[759] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:People are leaving because they are tired of skilling into something and then finding out it is useless. Or they made foolish choices like I did. I spent over a year working on my tree and had i known what i know now i would have never ever used my sp the way i did. The grind on this game to get other skills is just to much. people dont have time for that. And if they do its probably because they have a very carefree life. I cant even log on for the sp event. Yea so much for extra sp.
That's the diffence between knowledge and wisdom.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Sports Dude
ShoGunnerz
251
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Posted - 2013.11.07 18:56:00 -
[760] - Quote
Nice to see this still going on |
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
276
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Posted - 2013.11.07 20:03:00 -
[761] - Quote
i cant see any reason why my players can not have a respec... yes i approve of this thread.
lots of good reasons why we should have a respec though :)
the BEST pilot in DUST 514, no.1 ranked pilot on BATTLEFIELD 3, and top 16 on WAR THUNDER.... come at me bro!
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
558
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:57:00 -
[762] - Quote
Man im telling you I learned my lesson. Every sp I use will be carefully spent from now on. |
Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
217
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:58:00 -
[763] - Quote
If they rework the skill tree, respec. If not, no respect. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
558
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 -
[764] - Quote
Jackof All-Trades wrote:If they rework the skill tree, respec. If not, no respect. Oh they will rework it......trust me |
Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
217
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:02:00 -
[765] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:If they rework the skill tree, respec. If not, no respect. Oh they will rework it......trust me And when they do, I will sign this petition. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1880
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:05:00 -
[766] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Cmon, we're getting a free booster, we have all this extra SP, and you guys still want a respec?
Let it go. I wanted a respec until I decided to try out scrambler pistols. Just do something new. IWS has it right in this regard; his omni-soldier build means he can try something new every week.
Respecs should only come if there is massive change. Uprising needed one. We don't need one now. I'd say the only real necessity would come from racial dropsuits, BUT remember that there is the possibility of pirate faction dropsuits, which require two dropsuit skills anyway.
Or if they totally change the skill system again. But I really doubt it. I'll admit the skill system ain't perfect, but I realise it probably doesn't need drastic change either.
And just a note: I've never played with boosters. My unallocated SP usually never goes above 500k. I have prototype gear but I'm not satisfied. I'd love to try something new with a respec, but the whole point of progression crumbles.
The whole reason New Eden keeps you coming back, the whole reason you keep complaining even as you play, the whole reason two years down the track the game will be twice as good if not better, is because of this progression. It's because you can't undo your mistakes like the stat reallocations that almost every other MMORPG allows you to purchase.
So deal with it. In the long-term we will lose more players than we keep if people keep getting respecs. The game will lose its purpose. Thats easy to say when your entire class is not getting built from the ground up again I will lose vehicles/skills/mods/weapons and the skills we have left are being changed The entire vehicle tree is being reworked
I'm skilled into both Logistics and Assault dropships, and I totally agree with you. But a respec is not the same as refunding SP for limited changes, is it? I'm totally happy for them to refund SP on changed content and/or removed content, but what I am arguing against is the need to absolutely reset everything just so people can drop a suit or weapon they skilled into but didn't like, so they can go for something else.
"..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed."
-Veigar
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
558
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:05:00 -
[767] - Quote
Jackof All-Trades wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Jackof All-Trades wrote:If they rework the skill tree, respec. If not, no respect. Oh they will rework it......trust me And when they do, I will sign this petition. Um there will be no reason to sign it because they will have no choice but to give respecs. They cant change it and not give respecs. That's like me ordering sushi and getting a moldy slice of pizza instead....or something like that |
Humble Seeker
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:18:00 -
[768] - Quote
Bump.
Yeah.
"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
566
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:22:00 -
[769] - Quote
*sigh* Well atleast an update with new guns,vehicles, etc is finally coming. And hopefully with that we will get a respec. Hopefully. |
GTA V FTW
172
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:23:00 -
[770] - Quote
Soldiersaint wrote:*sigh* Well atleast an update with new guns,vehicles, etc is finally coming. And hopefully with that we will get a respec. Hopefully. I would not bet on it.
CCP = FPS noobs
Meh, broke game will always be broke.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
566
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:24:00 -
[771] - Quote
GTA V FTW wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:*sigh* Well atleast an update with new guns,vehicles, etc is finally coming. And hopefully with that we will get a respec. Hopefully. I would not bet on it. Yea i know but hey who knows. We just might get one |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
285
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:09:00 -
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stayin' alive |
LT Shanx
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
10
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:25:00 -
[773] - Quote
I signed this petition using the wrong account.
/signed again
Lulz... |
Egypt Musk
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
97
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:35:00 -
[774] - Quote
signed
20m sp n still have not received a respec
Director of Get sum and Get it done.
Pirate radio host
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Valto Nyntus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
43
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:18:00 -
[775] - Quote
Vethosis wrote:I heard some people wanted a petition, so here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB26grrZS2Alowratehitman approves of respeccing in some parts, please watch the video it is only 5 minutes. *snipped list of names* - CCP Eterne ^that's just low ccp, real low.*sigh* |
Exequien
Storm.Fighters
8
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:37:00 -
[776] - Quote
/signed |
Seed Dren
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
114
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Posted - 2013.11.09 08:51:00 -
[777] - Quote
I think I signed already but just in case.
/signed |
Thorgen Barr
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:11:00 -
[778] - Quote
/Signed |
RKKR
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
435
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Posted - 2013.11.09 12:16:00 -
[779] - Quote
CCP will just keep changing stuff on a non-rational basis (maybe it's rational but they need to give more info along, open communication anyone? We should get a petition on that subject) so your respec will be meaningless untill they get their together .
Just enjoying what you have and if you really want a chance, just get them where it hurts, quit the game for a while instead of feeling frustrated. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
569
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:53:00 -
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RKKR wrote:CCP will just keep changing stuff on a non-rational basis (maybe it's rational but they need to give more info along, open communication anyone? We should get a petition on that subject) so your respec will be meaningless untill they get their together .
Just enjoying what you have and if you really want a chance, just get them where it hurts, quit the game for a while instead of feeling frustrated. Well i wont be spending anymore money on this game. If its not a bpo it worthless end of story. |
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