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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6504
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:17:00 -
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Resigned for dropships if Wolfman actually ends up knowing how to fix them. |
Spaceman-Rob
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:26:00 -
[692] - Quote
Would be nice to have one just to tidy up some of my skills. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
252
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:29:00 -
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When CCP changes skills/bonuses, they need to refund all of the SP that way you can choose to reinvest or change into something else. "FOTM chasers, wah, QQ, wah, blah, blah" |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
142
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:The FOTM counter argument is getting old. I'm starting to believe the only people who are against respecs when drastic changes are made are those people who have already gone through multiple stages of beta and know where to put there points, and laugh at all the noobs who misplaced their points, and do not want to give those guys a chance to properly place their points because that would make the battles more challenging for them.
I don't know that anyone is really against respecs when there are, and this is the important point here, major changes are made to the skill tree. I'm sorry, but, "they made my weapon/suit/whatever worse" is simply not a sufficient argument. I'm not much of an HTFU guy, but I am a strong proponent of the "decisions matter" argument. Trust me, a respec would benefit me substantially, I've made some very poor choices over the past several months, but I live with them.
Example, I got sick of waiting for them to fix the Amarr logi suit so I specced into CalLogi. CCP finally got around to fixing that travesty a few weeks later, fortunately I hedged a little and stopped at lvl 4, but I still wasted a lot of SP and still, despite having 12 mil lifetime SP, don't have a proto suit. I don't beatch about it because I knew ahead of time what I was getting into.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6507
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:39:00 -
[695] - Quote
John Demonsbane wrote:Example, I got sick of waiting for them to fix the Amarr logi suit so I specced into CalLogi. CCP finally got around to fixing that travesty a few weeks later, fortunately I hedged a little and stopped at lvl 4, but I still wasted a lot of SP and still, despite having 12 mil lifetime SP, don't have a proto suit. I don't beatch about it because I knew ahead of time what I was getting into.
Yea well I went full on dedicated logistics dropship pilot with Uprising and was mortified with how horrific of a choice that was, and was basically strongarmed into the respec by not wanting to smash my controller and uninstall DUST permanently. I'm sorry I wanted to actually play the game for X amount of months before dropships were ******* fixed (going on 4 right now, not counting the fact that they've been garbage most of beta as well).
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
265
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:41:00 -
[696] - Quote
Lulz |
Seeth Mensch
Damage Core corp.
The Superpowers
34
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:50:00 -
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There are so many good ideas for how to do respecs in a way that is fair. In my mind, "fair" is equal to it costing something; not necessarily real dollars, or isk. One of the best ideas I saw was it cost a percentage of your sp to do the respec (so removing the points was something like 20% more than the cost of putting it in there).
It's genuinely more fun to allow people to do things that ARE fun, regardless of if your argument is FOTM, or "it took me a freaking month to find out this is useless".
/signed
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
142
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Posted - 2013.09.29 17:42:00 -
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I moved to a second post to keep it from being a wall of text. My personal CalLogi story is a nice segue into the very fine counter-argument to the concept that somehow a respec is going to level the playing field. I don't remember who first made this point, but it was not me, so I apologize for plagiarizing it. The argument that somehow a newer player with, say 5-8 mil SP would benefit more than a vet who has probably wasted that much SP is specious at best.
What's the new player going to do with that 5 mil? focus more on core skills, and maybe get themselves an ADV suit of their choice? I'm sure that will be nice for them, but guess what they will be facing on the battlefield? Legions of vets with maxed out duvolles on proto caldari assault suits. That or the return of squads of face melting viziams on proto Amarr assaults.
That's why it's a failed argument. The newer player can only make so much improvement with a respec. Most of the vets probably redid their core skills with the uprising do-over or have enough SP that they finished them anyway. On the other hand, all those CalLogis you see out there still? That's the big SP sink for a lot of them, maybe that and flaylocks(or vehicles?). Proto-Ing those out cost almost as many SP as the people you think you are allegedly going to help have. A respec for them means they can instantly go full proto with maxed-out proficiency in the weapon AND suit of their choice. You can argue whether or not that's wise or game breaking, but it sure as hell ain't helping out the noobs!
(The people it actually might help the most are those in the mid-range like me)
That said, I can get behind respecs in 2 situations:
1) all the racial suits or weapons get released. So much SP would be getting refunded from the modified tree anyway that they may as well just go all the way.
2) I can also see the wisdom of a one-time respec once you hit 5 mil (as an example, you can pick a number), but it would have to cost you something, whether it be AUR or some small % of your total SP. Not a lot, but just enough to make you think about whether you want to do it or not. This serves the altruistic purpose of helping new players even things out by using their precious SP more wisely without simultaneously feeding the protobears. |
Stevez WingYip
Operation Wolf Pack
5
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:27:00 -
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Signed. They should give everyone ONE more and it should be able to be stored so you can use it whenever you want. |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
254
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Posted - 2013.10.01 05:39:00 -
[700] - Quote
CLEAR!! |
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Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.10.01 06:56:00 -
[701] - Quote
I would pay AUR to respect  |
Roner General
Ancient Exiles
24
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Posted - 2013.10.01 07:51:00 -
[702] - Quote
420yoloswag |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
371
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:53:00 -
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100.000 AUR for a respec. Normal to play for this service. It-¦s your own damn fault if you waste your skillpoints on silly things when building your clone. Pay & smile or let it be. |
Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
371
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:53:00 -
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200.000 AUR would even be better.. |
Slightly-Mental
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:18:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:The FOTM counter argument is getting old. I'm starting to believe the only people who are against respecs when drastic changes are made are those people who have already gone through multiple stages of beta and know where to put there points, and laugh at all the noobs who misplaced their points, and do not want to give those guys a chance to properly place their points because that would make the battles more challenging for them.
I have gone through multiple stages of beta.
On the last respec I went full proto sniper and AV, and part heavy. *as most went AR.
would I like another respec? yes
I wouldn't change the sniper or AV .. it be the aspect of having to go amarr to wear heavy armour, the option of wearing race heavy armour wasn't an option. *still isn't but release is planned.
I believe the offer of respecs should happen when CCP release the rest of the race dropsuits
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RA Drahcir
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
256
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:42:00 -
[706] - Quote
ETA on other dropsuits? aka ETA on respec? |
Jackof All-Trades
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:03:00 -
[707] - Quote
I want dropships. I have skills in Proto Minmatar Assault and Duvolle. I'm strictly playing militia starter fits now. Anything else is too boring. That's why I want respec, that's all. |
fawkuima juggalo
Hollowed Kings
60
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:11:00 -
[708] - Quote
signed.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
469
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:13:00 -
[709] - Quote
Keep signing guys! |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
475
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:36:00 -
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Anybody know what happened to Vethosis. got myself banned again  . I learned my lesson this time though  . |
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Senator316
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:07:00 -
[711] - Quote
Respec for players who have never had one, only! |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
206
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:09:00 -
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signed. I wish they gave new guys a optional respec after a week of playing
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
269
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:12:00 -
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yes this is a great idea, how come no one has thought of this before?
a respec would really help me consoladate all of my skill points and let me skill into what i enjoy playing.. the plasma cannon :)
the BEST pilot in DUST 514, no.1 ranked pilot on BATTLEFIELD 3, and top 16 on WAR THUNDER.... come at me bro!
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
115
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:13:00 -
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Signed..now where's my free AR? |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
878
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Posted - 2013.11.05 18:17:00 -
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This is a bad thread and the OP should be ashamed of him/herself.
Respecs are the death of MMOs. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
523
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:24:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:This is a bad thread and the OP should be ashamed of him/herself.
Respecs are the death of MMOs.
Lets see you say that when they nerf your ar to oblivion. You will be screaming for a respec. And when that time comes you will sign  |
Kahn Zo
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
56
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:26:00 -
[717] - Quote
Signed for a respec.
Pure Gallente
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
828
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:30:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:100.000 AUR for a respec. Normal to play for this service. It-¦s your own damn fault if you waste your skillpoints on silly things when building your clone. Pay & smile or let it be.
not even close to enough. 1.5 mil aur. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
523
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:34:00 -
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low genius wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:100.000 AUR for a respec. Normal to play for this service. It-¦s your own damn fault if you waste your skillpoints on silly things when building your clone. Pay & smile or let it be. not even close to enough. 1.5 mil aur.
You do realize that they will never do this right ? No game has ever done real money for respecing. It just isnt practical. Now a sp sacrifice makes alot more sense. |
Scheherazade VII
80
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:39:00 -
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NNNNGGG I need a respec on my mass driver alt.
Why didn't you all tell me I should have specced MIN assault instead of CAL assault?
I will need many PG/CPU upgrades but will eventually have 3x complex dmg mod, 2x enhanced kin cat
on an advanced minmatar assault due to the high pg/cpu VS caldari ADV assault.
oh and it moves faster :)
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