AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

CCP just made a redline railer event-- destroy 100 installations

I was destroying a turret today (like i do with my python every day to support the team in having less variables for getting hit) and out of nowhere i got the assist because a redliner wayyyy across the map destroyed it before i did, and then he hit me next... it's so horrid.

I'm glad somebody else made a thread about this. I've made 3 or 4 in the past and then gone of and cried to myself while playing Skyrim.

look tanks and dropships are in the same boat vs av. Rather than shooting us down from an unreachable location why don't you just look the other way? I mean we are going to bail out, is 75 wp really worth killing an ally. maybe we come to some mutual agreement as pilots to avoid killing each other.

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

There have always been redline sniper HAVs, so that's not really an excuse.

Although I admit the maps should be bigger so snipers can stay in optimal range without sitting on the redline.

Those redline snipers could care less about any mutual agreement that's made on the forums, it would never last ingame when they see a pretty enemy dropship flying in the distance, and they know they can destroy us in 2 shots from 1500 meters away.

CCP just made a redline railer event-- destroy 100 installations

Lol, I love two shotting those Derpships, most of the time it's those morons just flying to the top of a tower to drop an uplink, recall their dropship and camp the whole match, down every one I can

I honestly don't think that bullets or railshots should be able to leave the redline. In my opinion if you want to kill someone or destroy something you should have to enter the field of battle.

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore.

you got killed by an HAV and now your whining like an infantry player, if infantry players hadn't made tanks so weak we wouldn't be rednline sitting, the average tanker would be in the middle of the map, the good ones would be pushing the enemy team at the redline. but since a single swarm missile can take down most of our armor, were not letting you get easy kills off of us

Also, my militia tank got killed by a dropship yesterday. OP's point is invalid.

*sigh*.. Going to re-quote what i said about 2 posts after my OP that you must have not read, as well as other tankers below stating that they are actually capable of taking swarms and forge guns. Do you even know how much higher tanks shields and armor is when compared to us proto dropships?, as well as being able to include regeneration modules that are extremely affective just because they have "HAV" in their description? Anyways, here's what i said earlier that applies directly to your supposed statement.

"The issue i have with tank drivers claiming AV is somehow forcing them to redline is the fact that whatever tank is seriously being pushed back must not have a good knowlege on how to shield or armor fit. While those tanks were railgun sniping me, there was a madrugar (who must have been well fitted) taking countless amounts of swarm hits and even FG hits as well, while still being able to use structures to his advantage to hide behind. He wasn't redlining at all, and he survived those hits quite easily. AV's are supposed to push tanks back when they are proto AV's regardless, the big issue is that while tanks can sustain hits from miltia AV's and be reasonably taken back or destroyed by proto's, dropships are easily taken out by any real fit (be it miltia or proto), and this combined with redline camping railgun tanks makes for an impossible gain of anykind for a dropship pilot, whether that be entertainment, or ISK."

you got killed by an HAV and now your whining like an infantry player, if infantry players hadn't made tanks so weak we wouldn't be rednline sitting, the average tanker would be in the middle of the map, the good ones would be pushing the enemy team at the redline. but since a single swarm missile can take down most of our armor, were not letting you get easy kills off of us

you acct as if I don't know **** about tanks when in fact you do not.

you got killed by an HAV and now your whining like an infantry player, if infantry players hadn't made tanks so weak we wouldn't be rednline sitting, the average tanker would be in the middle of the map, the good ones would be pushing the enemy team at the redline. but since a single swarm missile can take down most of our armor, were not letting you get easy kills off of us

Like the easy kills tanks were getting when it took at least 2-3 coordinated proto AV players to take out well fitted sagaris and suryas.

There have always been redline sniper HAVs, so that's not really an excuse.

Although I admit the maps should be bigger so snipers can stay in optimal range without sitting on the redline.

Because you were using a militia tank you idiot, my point was that if you actually use proto-fits you can take AV's fine, you don't even know the amount of tanks i can't kill in my proto-python with XT launchers because they are well fitted and better than stupid militia tanks, that's the entire point of SP spending to get better tanks that actually are useful, NOT MILITIA TANKS THAT ARE WEAK.

If you are driving a militia anything you better expect to be destroyed by a **** load of things, because ITS A MILTIA ITEM.

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore, and being that i have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules, it's practically impossible for me to discern any real entertainment out of the game right now. The past 3 games i have played today (don't know why it's all today) i have been unable to do literally anything in my python, because whenever i get at least 500 feet closer to the ground from the height ceiling, an invisible shot from no-where takes away all of my shield, and often times is somehow followed by another amazingly accurate shot as i activate my fuel injector and am speeding away.

It's impossible to tell the direction of the shot, and even when I'm high in the air looking for the tanks they often don't render below me. Last game there were literally 3 railgun tanks all camping and not giving a **** about their team who were loosing, their only intention was to rake in kills from behind the redline and not support anyone. This is a new low that these railgun tanking idiots have reached, and i pray that CCP does at least something to end it.

Rail gun sniper tanking is the lamest and boringest thing in dust aside from AFKing. The fact that they can hit clean across the map is just super annoying, they hardly take down my dropship, unless its an enforcer, or two. They really they just deny the entire map. So I land and recall most of the time because its not worth loosing 1.1 mil on some worthless railgunner. Hell I think I have more respect for people who sit on turrets than people who redline tank, not by much, but still. Don't try and defend you're self by saying AV is broke, your just tring to feed your KDR. You're not helping the team push or fight or anything. You're not nearly as effective as snipers who are actually useful. I've seen some tankers actually fight and help their team. Some I actually can't kill and they manage to retreat back to the redline but only to get me off their back. I'm getting very tiered of not being able to fight back and just not being able to do what I skilled into. Which like serimos I have probably 7 mil sp into vehicles and dropships, because you HAVE to skill that far in to make them worth your time. Please remove the redline or make it so they get no points for kills in the redline please.

Lol at these QQ threads about rail sniping, it's a way to make a profit as a dedicated tanker, balance AV vs vehicles or drop the price of tanks and the problem will be solved, nobody wants to sit and railsnipe.

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore, and being that i have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules, it's practically impossible for me to discern any real entertainment out of the game right now. The past 3 games i have played today (don't know why it's all today) i have been unable to do literally anything in my python, because whenever i get at least 500 feet closer to the ground from the height ceiling, an invisible shot from no-where takes away all of my shield, and often times is somehow followed by another amazingly accurate shot as i activate my fuel injector and am speeding away.

It's impossible to tell the direction of the shot, and even when I'm high in the air looking for the tanks they often don't render below me. Last game there were literally 3 railgun tanks all camping and not giving a **** about their team who were loosing, their only intention was to rake in kills from behind the redline and not support anyone. This is a new low that these railgun tanking idiots have reached, and i pray that CCP does at least something to end it.

Rail gun sniper tanking is the lamest and boringest thing in dust aside from AFKing. The fact that they can hit clean across the map is just super annoying, they hardly take down my dropship, unless its an enforcer, or two. They really they just deny the entire map. So I land and recall most of the time because its not worth loosing 1.1 mil on some worthless railgunner. Hell I think I have more respect for people who sit on turrets than people who redline tank, not by much, but still. Don't try and defend you're self by saying AV is broke, your just tring to feed your KDR. You're not helping the team push or fight or anything. You're not nearly as effective as snipers who are actually useful. I've seen some tankers actually fight and help their team. Some I actually can't kill and they manage to retreat back to the redline but only to get me off their back. I'm getting very tiered of not being able to fight back and just not being able to do what I skilled into. Which like serimos I have probably 7 mil sp into vehicles and dropships, because you HAVE to skill that far in to make them worth your time. Please remove the redline or make it so they get no points for kills in the redline please.

Like the easy kills tanks were getting when it took at least 2-3 coordinated proto AV players to take out well fitted sagaris and suryas.

They were effectivly proto tanks so yea it should have taken team worknto destroy one.

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

I have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules.

Railgun tanks aren't the only AV option. If thats your exuse then just **** off because you don't know hat you're saying, just exuses for being K/D ratio-whoring idiots that have no skill.

Yep, run a few redline matches to pay for the tank you lose when you actually go out on the map, gotta love ducking into cover from swarms and having them stop, turn a 90 and hit you anyway

If anything, this event gives a perfect highlight to how abusive these railgun redliners are, especially to proto-dropship pilots that literally can't even play the game right now because of this event being abused.

What?

Abused? How are they abusing the event? They're just doing it.

The issue i have with tank drivers claiming AV is somehow forcing them to redline is the fact that whatever tank is seriously being pushed back must not have a good knowlege on how to shield or armor fit. While those tanks were railgun sniping me, there was a madrugar (who must have been well fitted) taking countless amounts of swarm hits and even FG hits as well, while still being able to use structures to his advantage to hide behind. He wasn't redlining at all, and he survived those hits quite easily. AV's are supposed to push tanks back when they are proto AV's regardless, the big issue is that while tanks can sustain hits from miltia AV's and be reasonably taken back or destroyed by proto's, dropships are easily taken out by any real fit (be it miltia or proto), and this combined with redline camping railgun tanks makes for an impossible gain of anykind for a dropship pilot, whether that be entertainment, or ISK.

that is why i only play ambush

by sniping friendly turrets from their own redline before they can do anything about it. The distance and power those railguns have is so unbelievably OP it's not even funny. When they added that "optimal range" thing, it was only for handheld weapons... it should have extended to turrets as well.

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

Because removing enemy tanks from the field is not helping the team in any way.

AV is only to worrie about when thier is some1 with proto, i always run to the red line to recall my enforcer with scatterd ion cannon, i dont want to lose a 2.5mil isk tank to a ****** that put 1mil sp into proto forge or swarms, funny thing why dont people use in forge guns red line, the forge gun does more damage so whats the point of using and expensive tanks if you can do it with a 50k forgegun...

*sigh*.. Going to re-quote what i said about 2 posts after my OP that you must have not read, as well as other tankers below stating that they are actually capable of taking swarms and forge guns. Do you even know how much higher tanks shields and armor is when compared to us proto dropships?, as well as being able to include regeneration modules that are extremely affective just because they have "HAV" in their description? Anyways, here's what i said earlier that applies directly to your supposed statement.

"The issue i have with tank drivers claiming AV is somehow forcing them to redline is the fact that whatever tank is seriously being pushed back must not have a good knowlege on how to shield or armor fit. While those tanks were railgun sniping me, there was a madrugar (who must have been well fitted) taking countless amounts of swarm hits and even FG hits as well, while still being able to use structures to his advantage to hide behind. He wasn't redlining at all, and he survived those hits quite easily. AV's are supposed to push tanks back when they are proto AV's regardless, the big issue is that while tanks can sustain hits from miltia AV's and be reasonably taken back or destroyed by proto's, dropships are easily taken out by any real fit (be it miltia or proto), and this combined with redline camping railgun tanks makes for an impossible gain of anykind for a dropship pilot, whether that be entertainment, or ISK."

This is for you.

On another note, I'd rather see dropships get a huge buff, than tanks get nerfed. I'm talking 70% price reduction, 200% HP buff, 50% speed buff, 30% damage on turrets bonus.

those buffs suck, let's just give them infinite health and make them break the sound barrier so our swarm launchers can't ever hit.

Yeah boss, you should probably learn 2 play before you put out ridiculous percentages without even using that squishy thing inside your head first, if you had used it you would have realized how ******** your numbers are.

70% price reduction, so roughly 340k off the incubus which will go for 150k now?
200% hp buff, so 5k hp? Okay, maybe that one works... But let's exclude the shield extenders and armor plates with this number which could potentially put them over 10k hp.
50% speed buff? Now all swarm launchers will need to be buffed with missile speed in order to hit... Okay...
30% damage bonus on turrets... I'm not even going to talk about this one considering one direct hit from an assault dropship turret will just about kill anyone not in a heavy suit...

Think sir. Think about what you say before you spit those senseless words out.

BS, FG does not do more damage then Railgun - HAV have more dmg slots to spare. There is no FG that is able to solo Bolas.
If you are using proto turret on HAV that have lower CPU/PG then STD version you don't have much space for decent tank, don't you?

Because you have to sit in the red line to kill enemy tanks? Honestly it breeds incompitence. Rail tank snipers hardly know how to handle a combat situation, aside from well...sniping. even when they get brave, hell we even killed one just zerging it with light weapons. There is good tank piloting...and then there is rail tank sniping. Just like how there are good snipers who take up positions to lay down really good overwatch and relocate to help squads and there are mountain snipers who go 3/0 with a charge.

ever herd of the breach? yup thats the one.... idgaf if it takes 6 sec to recharge stil does more than proto rail and when you put dmg mods then it does way more and over that it cost 900k isk less

i have memed your plight.

Because removing enemy tanks from the field is not helping the team in any way.


Who said anything about doing so solely from the redline? I sure didn't.

You replied to a post talking about railgun snipers and how they are useless. I assumed that you were reffering to you're self as a railgun sniper. In the future please be more clear.
Actually I think I just solved the problem of redline tanks for dropships. Does anyone know if the range on small railgun turrets is also unlimited like the tanks railgun?

As it was said before in this thread, tanks are redline sniping because the risk/reward factor for front line tanking is not worth it at all. Its really unfortionet, our sagaris/surya was taken from us because "they were broke" and we were given enforcer tanks instead, wich are worse than standard tanks. At the same time our fitting and overall stats were nerfed so we simply arnt as effective anymore. Then to add to it, all infaintry wweapons (AV) got buffed and more AV weapons were added to it so were pretty screwed, things are not balanced for vehicals and especially you dropship guys, it really sucks to be yal. We dont have proto mod or tanks, all we have are standard tanks and proto turrents, no mods. Im not counting the enforcer because it sucks.... sucks at anything other than rail sniping, those tanks are made for them, particulary the Falshion. With railsniping being encouraged and our non rail fits being destroyed by the horrendously powerful AV tanks dont really have a choice. Belive me, we tankers dont want to play this way ethire. I hate rail sniping and i loose many tanks to them because ppl dont run blasters or missles anymore. Us tankers want to, really do but we cant. We loose too much getting blown up out there, vehicals and AV is unbalanced. We will railsnipe untill balance is restored, so dropship pilots should spec into something else. sorry, blame CCP for making it our only choice to make profit. Rest asured, if another respec comes around there will be almost no tankers at all. fingers crossed!

The problem with railgun redliners is that you can't kill them without either an Orbital, or another Sniper Tank. Forge guns can't even hit them most of the time and if they do the tank runs off. Redline is OP

The problem with railgun redliners is that you can't kill them without either an Orbital, or another Sniper Tank. Forge guns can't even hit them most of the time and if they do the tank runs off. Redline is OP

also thank the QQing infantry for it too

Other sniper tanks don't work unless the enemy HAV pilot is a complete nincompoop. I've had many matches where I literally spend every minute just shooting a red-liner, watching him roll back, and come back 60 seconds later. He was a nuisance and I had to dedicate my entire existence to make sure he did not harass my team...

God-awful boring.

yeah they whined, and bitched, and moaned about how someone with an assult rifle cant hurt us, they are but one person who are open to tank farming. well.... yeah? should AV nades alone be enough to destroy us? apreantly ccp thought so, look what happens when ppl with ARs can kill us with no promblem too, nevermind ppl who actually speced into AV. Buff AV, nerf vehicals. thats how promblems are solved.... cant wait for ps4!!! Planet side tanks look so much better and balanced

You replied to a post talking about railgun snipers and how they are useless. I assumed that you were reffering to you're self as a railgun sniper. In the future please be more clear.
Actually I think I just solved the problem of redline tanks for dropships. Does anyone know if the range on small railgun turrets is also unlimited like the tanks railgun?

il give it one point, the tank gameplay is actually balanced.

lol no its not. Shiled tanks do not beat armor tanks. at all

Here Here,

I agree with you OP.

I would go so far as to say that they are bigger bitches than the redline dropsuit snipers who are without the protection of several thousand eHP.

Tankers are bitches who're just looking for an I-Win button. They want all of the ISK without any of the risk.

Here Here,

I agree with you OP.

I would go so far as to say that they are bigger bitches than the redline dropsuit snipers who are without the protection of several thousand eHP.

Tankers are bitches who're just looking for an I-Win button. They want all of the ISK without any of the risk.

Says no risk

OB/AV nades/proto AV/enemy tanks

'run blaster help the team' - AV naded to hell because NFL quaterback is launching them from behind cover

'then send in the infantry to deal with AV nades' - why is the tank being used then if infantry can do it all?

Takes a good 10mil of SP for a tank, lose a proper tank which for me is 1.7mil and im in the hole for the next 5-7 games

I can fit up a cheap tank and by that i mean 500k or less, it can survive but proto AV wrecks it

Tanks are all risk and no reward currently

I rail sniper to protect that investment and the reward is i get to keep it at the end of a match

With a dropship i have to make all installtions are gone and that ther are no enemy tanks on the field, in fact if i dropship i have to make sure i have a friendly tank to keep an enemy focused on that instead of my flying coffin

Says no risk

OB/AV nades/proto AV/enemy tanks only one of these is an actual issue. Even then tanks can outlast an OB

'run blaster help the team' - AV naded to hell because NFL quaterback is launching them from behind coveronly effective against armor tanks

'then send in the infantry to deal with AV nades' - why is the tank being used then if infantry can do it all? because that's called teamwork. you can't kill EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE EVERYTIME

Takes a good 10mil of SP for a tank, lose a proper tank which for me is 1.7mil and im in the hole for the next 5-7 games If your in PC that isn't an issue. If you were here pre-uprising that isn't an issue. If your 10mil into a godamned tank this shouldn't be an issue

I can fit up a cheap tank and by that i mean 500k or less, it can survive but proto AV wrecks it PRO should wreck a MLT tank whats your point?

Tanks are all risk and no reward currently their high risk low reward if your solo. almost no risk if your running a tight squad like you should be.

I rail sniper to protect that investment and the reward is i get to keep it at the end of a match

With a dropship i have to make all installtions are gone and that ther are no enemy tanks on the field, in fact if i dropship i have to make sure i have a friendly tank to keep an enemy focused on that instead of my flying coffin

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

Pretty much this. If PROTO AV gets tempoarily removed until PROTO vehicles get (finally) put in, then I'll be happy. Also, AV nades need to go. They essentially make actual AV pointless, as if you have say 2-3 guys in a PROTO stomping squad with them, you don't have to worry about vehicles.

Translation: We're Cowards.

Blaming AV for your choice to redline snipe is a load. I cannot *wait* for the planned nerfs to dealing damage while in the redline. I've got a list of coward redline tanks and snipers which are going to get the full attention of my Proto Swarms, Forge Guns, and AV Grenades.

Having said that, well fitted, well driven tanks are VERY hard to kill, reguardless of the AV type. You're bringing a TANK on to the field - if you're too much of a coward to accept the risk associated with that, and the necessity to properly fit your tank, then you should not be driving one. Furthermore, you WILL lose tanks. Very few tank drivers seem to accept the fact that it's A) Going to happen, and B) That it even SHOULD happen. If there's anything that needs to change, it's that "I should be impervious to everything and never die" attitude that the majority of Tank drivers seem to have.

HTFU, get out of the redline, and when you do finally die to that AVer who you managed to kill 7 times already, tip your hat or give a salute, because IT TOOK ALOT OF EFFORT TO KILL YOU(Unless of course, your fitting or tank driving skills are crap. Then "haha").

/endrant

No such thing as PRO tanks if i'm right. There are 3 class of tanks though and people must have on hella short memory. The sagaris and surya were no joke no matter what you were using. If you want up against either with no PRO AV, you were not going to kill them period.

1: I clearly stated that there has been no PROTO vehicles yet.because the surya and sagaris were not PRO tank amirite

2: There's 4 types actually: base frame, Black Ops, Enforcer, and Marauder.black ops=logi tanks IIRC, Base is herp derp, enforecer=long range tanks, and Marauder=hardcore high life tanks.

3: I killed 3 Marauders in 1 match with AV nades (std) and a adv. swarm so wtf are you talking about?The **** are you on? i said the -SAGARIS AND SURYA- these are acutal PRO tanks which is what i'm talking about


Peace, Godin

AV nades still powerful even against shield, seeking feature you cant ever miss

On foot you can, you cant send that blaster tank somewhere becaus its not helping the team ppl complain and if it does go somewhere else lolswarms will prob hit it out on the open, it cant win no matter what the driver does everyone complains but doesnt realise the tank can only do what it can do

If you are in PC you are ****** end of, proto AV everywhere against your basic tank you are ******, plus you will lose money overall unless you are damn careful

My cheap tank is basic not milita, pro wreck it so its why i made it cheap so i can recover the loss in 2 games, i could use my 1.7mil tank but pro AV whacks it as easily as my cheap tank

No risk in a squad gtfo, half the time its FG/noskillSL on top of a hill somewhere whacking me, how can a squad deal with that? snipers so my entire squad is snipers aiming at bunny hoppers but what about nades now, well half of squad is snipers and have near me but they throw AV nades faster than they can be killed and the snipers are getting counter snipe themselves or cannot see them because they dont render while me in the tank cant do anything because i cant shoot through walls


Until i can manufacture all my tank stuff that i need im staying careful and bollocks to a pub match

AV nades still powerful even against shield, seeking feature you cant ever miss No their not. Unless your using packed AV nades in which case i recommend you try actually using it and try spamming a shield tank with them. come back some tissues

On foot you can, you cant send that blaster tank somewhere because it's not helping the team ppl complain and if it does go somewhere else lolswarms will prob hit it out on the open, it cant win no matter what the driver does everyone complains but doesnt realise the tank can only do what it can do see the point i made above. If your 10mill sp into your tank then chances are you have shield hardeners in which case swarms are just flies.

If you are in PC you are ****** end of, proto AV everywhere against your basic tank you are ******, plus you will lose money overall unless you are damn careful naturally it's because your running STD gear against PRO AV you can blame that one on CCP

My cheap tank is basic not milita, pro wreck it so its why i made it cheap so i can recover the loss in 2 games, i could use my 1.7mil tank but pro AV whacks it as easily as my cheap tank see above

No risk in a squad gtfo, half the time its FG/noskillSL on top of a hill somewhere whacking me, how can a squad deal with that? snipers so my entire squad is snipers aiming at bunny hoppers but what about nades now, well half of squad is snipers and have near me but they throw AV nades faster than they can be killed and the snipers are getting counter snipe themselves or cannot see them because they dont render while me in the tank cant do anything because i cant shoot through walls if you get whcked by a FG send a squad to the area to take him out. SLs leave a trail behind people should have an idea of where to go to find him. If your entire squad is snipers you have a shize squad and are stupid for risking a tank to begin with. For AV nade point see above. the draw distance is a game issue blame CCP


Until i can manufacture all my tank stuff that i need im staying careful and bollocks to a pub match [

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore, and being that i have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules, it's practically impossible for me to discern any real entertainment out of the game right now. The past 3 games i have played today (don't know why it's all today) i have been unable to do literally anything in my python, because whenever i get at least 500 feet closer to the ground from the height ceiling, an invisible shot from no-where takes away all of my shield, and often times is somehow followed by another amazingly accurate shot as i activate my fuel injector and am speeding away.

It's impossible to tell the direction of the shot, and even when I'm high in the air looking for the tanks they often don't render below me. Last game there were literally 3 railgun tanks all camping and not giving a **** about their team who were loosing, their only intention was to rake in kills from behind the redline and not support anyone. This is a new low that these railgun tanking idiots have reached, and i pray that CCP does at least something to end it.