There have always been redline sniper HAVs, so that's not really an excuse.

Although I admit the maps should be bigger so snipers can stay in optimal range without sitting on the redline.

Because you were using a militia tank you idiot, my point was that if you actually use proto-fits you can take AV's fine, you don't even know the amount of tanks i can't kill in my proto-python with XT launchers because they are well fitted and better than stupid militia tanks, that's the entire point of SP spending to get better tanks that actually are useful, NOT MILITIA TANKS THAT ARE WEAK.

If you are driving a militia anything you better expect to be destroyed by a **** load of things, because ITS A MILTIA ITEM.

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore, and being that i have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules, it's practically impossible for me to discern any real entertainment out of the game right now. The past 3 games i have played today (don't know why it's all today) i have been unable to do literally anything in my python, because whenever i get at least 500 feet closer to the ground from the height ceiling, an invisible shot from no-where takes away all of my shield, and often times is somehow followed by another amazingly accurate shot as i activate my fuel injector and am speeding away.

It's impossible to tell the direction of the shot, and even when I'm high in the air looking for the tanks they often don't render below me. Last game there were literally 3 railgun tanks all camping and not giving a **** about their team who were loosing, their only intention was to rake in kills from behind the redline and not support anyone. This is a new low that these railgun tanking idiots have reached, and i pray that CCP does at least something to end it.

Rail gun sniper tanking is the lamest and boringest thing in dust aside from AFKing. The fact that they can hit clean across the map is just super annoying, they hardly take down my dropship, unless its an enforcer, or two. They really they just deny the entire map. So I land and recall most of the time because its not worth loosing 1.1 mil on some worthless railgunner. Hell I think I have more respect for people who sit on turrets than people who redline tank, not by much, but still. Don't try and defend you're self by saying AV is broke, your just tring to feed your KDR. You're not helping the team push or fight or anything. You're not nearly as effective as snipers who are actually useful. I've seen some tankers actually fight and help their team. Some I actually can't kill and they manage to retreat back to the redline but only to get me off their back. I'm getting very tiered of not being able to fight back and just not being able to do what I skilled into. Which like serimos I have probably 7 mil sp into vehicles and dropships, because you HAVE to skill that far in to make them worth your time. Please remove the redline or make it so they get no points for kills in the redline please.

Lol at these QQ threads about rail sniping, it's a way to make a profit as a dedicated tanker, balance AV vs vehicles or drop the price of tanks and the problem will be solved, nobody wants to sit and railsnipe.

This issue has gotten to a point that it's not even a good idea to call in my proto-fitted python at all anymore, and being that i have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules, it's practically impossible for me to discern any real entertainment out of the game right now. The past 3 games i have played today (don't know why it's all today) i have been unable to do literally anything in my python, because whenever i get at least 500 feet closer to the ground from the height ceiling, an invisible shot from no-where takes away all of my shield, and often times is somehow followed by another amazingly accurate shot as i activate my fuel injector and am speeding away.

It's impossible to tell the direction of the shot, and even when I'm high in the air looking for the tanks they often don't render below me. Last game there were literally 3 railgun tanks all camping and not giving a **** about their team who were loosing, their only intention was to rake in kills from behind the redline and not support anyone. This is a new low that these railgun tanking idiots have reached, and i pray that CCP does at least something to end it.

Rail gun sniper tanking is the lamest and boringest thing in dust aside from AFKing. The fact that they can hit clean across the map is just super annoying, they hardly take down my dropship, unless its an enforcer, or two. They really they just deny the entire map. So I land and recall most of the time because its not worth loosing 1.1 mil on some worthless railgunner. Hell I think I have more respect for people who sit on turrets than people who redline tank, not by much, but still. Don't try and defend you're self by saying AV is broke, your just tring to feed your KDR. You're not helping the team push or fight or anything. You're not nearly as effective as snipers who are actually useful. I've seen some tankers actually fight and help their team. Some I actually can't kill and they manage to retreat back to the redline but only to get me off their back. I'm getting very tiered of not being able to fight back and just not being able to do what I skilled into. Which like serimos I have probably 7 mil sp into vehicles and dropships, because you HAVE to skill that far in to make them worth your time. Please remove the redline or make it so they get no points for kills in the redline please.

Like the easy kills tanks were getting when it took at least 2-3 coordinated proto AV players to take out well fitted sagaris and suryas.

They were effectivly proto tanks so yea it should have taken team worknto destroy one.

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

I have skilled 7 million SP into dropships alone and their modules.

Railgun tanks aren't the only AV option. If thats your exuse then just **** off because you don't know hat you're saying, just exuses for being K/D ratio-whoring idiots that have no skill.

Yep, run a few redline matches to pay for the tank you lose when you actually go out on the map, gotta love ducking into cover from swarms and having them stop, turn a 90 and hit you anyway

If anything, this event gives a perfect highlight to how abusive these railgun redliners are, especially to proto-dropship pilots that literally can't even play the game right now because of this event being abused.

What?

Abused? How are they abusing the event? They're just doing it.

The issue i have with tank drivers claiming AV is somehow forcing them to redline is the fact that whatever tank is seriously being pushed back must not have a good knowlege on how to shield or armor fit. While those tanks were railgun sniping me, there was a madrugar (who must have been well fitted) taking countless amounts of swarm hits and even FG hits as well, while still being able to use structures to his advantage to hide behind. He wasn't redlining at all, and he survived those hits quite easily. AV's are supposed to push tanks back when they are proto AV's regardless, the big issue is that while tanks can sustain hits from miltia AV's and be reasonably taken back or destroyed by proto's, dropships are easily taken out by any real fit (be it miltia or proto), and this combined with redline camping railgun tanks makes for an impossible gain of anykind for a dropship pilot, whether that be entertainment, or ISK.

that is why i only play ambush

by sniping friendly turrets from their own redline before they can do anything about it. The distance and power those railguns have is so unbelievably OP it's not even funny. When they added that "optimal range" thing, it was only for handheld weapons... it should have extended to turrets as well.

AV has forced us to the redline, when CCP returns balance you will no longer have as big of a problem with redline rails

Because removing enemy tanks from the field is not helping the team in any way.

AV is only to worrie about when thier is some1 with proto, i always run to the red line to recall my enforcer with scatterd ion cannon, i dont want to lose a 2.5mil isk tank to a ****** that put 1mil sp into proto forge or swarms, funny thing why dont people use in forge guns red line, the forge gun does more damage so whats the point of using and expensive tanks if you can do it with a 50k forgegun...

*sigh*.. Going to re-quote what i said about 2 posts after my OP that you must have not read, as well as other tankers below stating that they are actually capable of taking swarms and forge guns. Do you even know how much higher tanks shields and armor is when compared to us proto dropships?, as well as being able to include regeneration modules that are extremely affective just because they have "HAV" in their description? Anyways, here's what i said earlier that applies directly to your supposed statement.

"The issue i have with tank drivers claiming AV is somehow forcing them to redline is the fact that whatever tank is seriously being pushed back must not have a good knowlege on how to shield or armor fit. While those tanks were railgun sniping me, there was a madrugar (who must have been well fitted) taking countless amounts of swarm hits and even FG hits as well, while still being able to use structures to his advantage to hide behind. He wasn't redlining at all, and he survived those hits quite easily. AV's are supposed to push tanks back when they are proto AV's regardless, the big issue is that while tanks can sustain hits from miltia AV's and be reasonably taken back or destroyed by proto's, dropships are easily taken out by any real fit (be it miltia or proto), and this combined with redline camping railgun tanks makes for an impossible gain of anykind for a dropship pilot, whether that be entertainment, or ISK."

This is for you.

On another note, I'd rather see dropships get a huge buff, than tanks get nerfed. I'm talking 70% price reduction, 200% HP buff, 50% speed buff, 30% damage on turrets bonus.

those buffs suck, let's just give them infinite health and make them break the sound barrier so our swarm launchers can't ever hit.

Yeah boss, you should probably learn 2 play before you put out ridiculous percentages without even using that squishy thing inside your head first, if you had used it you would have realized how ******** your numbers are.

70% price reduction, so roughly 340k off the incubus which will go for 150k now?
200% hp buff, so 5k hp? Okay, maybe that one works... But let's exclude the shield extenders and armor plates with this number which could potentially put them over 10k hp.
50% speed buff? Now all swarm launchers will need to be buffed with missile speed in order to hit... Okay...
30% damage bonus on turrets... I'm not even going to talk about this one considering one direct hit from an assault dropship turret will just about kill anyone not in a heavy suit...

Think sir. Think about what you say before you spit those senseless words out.

BS, FG does not do more damage then Railgun - HAV have more dmg slots to spare. There is no FG that is able to solo Bolas.
If you are using proto turret on HAV that have lower CPU/PG then STD version you don't have much space for decent tank, don't you?