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FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 1	Posted - 2013.07.10 17:06:00 - [1] - Quote SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 29	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:07:00 - [2] - Quote hmm so would this mode not effect any stats like kdr? and if i bring vehicles in and they get destroyed i would not lose any of em?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 1	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:17:00 - [3] - Quote That is the idea. No gain or loss. Simply a way to train players in all aspects of the game. Currently, and this is particularly difficult for new players, the only way to learn the ropes is Pub battles. Go into training, learn/teach, leave training, play real battles, test what you've learned, then back for more training. This would be a good idea even for the oldest and best of the Corps.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 29	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:19:00 - [4] - Quote i really like the idea of not losing or gaining anything where deaths or kills dont matter.. i could test new gear i obtained in this type of mode..
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 1	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote Yes, test gear, weapons, etc. Imagine this -- Your Corp, 4 squads of 4, against Your Corp with another 4x4 squads, duking it out in training. Could be a great way to build coordination within squads, as well as a means of developing tactics within the Corp. I use Corp members only as a suggestion. Would be no reason to limit to Corp members, with the possible factor of "tactics", as in keeping them to your Corp members only.
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 600	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:10:00 - [6] - Quote Hey Mike, great idea. However I would like to make a few suggestions and point out a few flaws. With what you are requesting, it would pretty much take out alot of the pub matches, and increase proto stomping noobs. ( the flaw) Suggestion: Take your original idea, no sp , no isk , no actual loss. BUT you can only use basic gear, nothing advanced or proto. this way you still get to learn the ropes, but you don't get to beast over the noobs with proto and will keep the proto stomping in the pub matches. And have a limit of so many matches allowed per day, or maybe week in these training grounds. so it will force you to go out into pub matches. Eventually I believe ccp plans on having a testing server, but it would probably be limited to actually testing new content before release. +1 we do need a training grounds of sorts for the new guys and a warm up of sorts for when you first get online.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 2	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:20:00 - [7] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Hey Mike, great idea. However I would like to make a few suggestions and point out a few flaws. With what you are requesting, it would pretty much take out alot of the pub matches, and increase proto stomping noobs. ( the flaw) Suggestion: Take your original idea, no sp , no isk , no actual loss. BUT you can only use basic gear, nothing advanced or proto. this way you still get to learn the ropes, but you don't get to beast over the noobs with proto and will keep the proto stomping in the pub matches. And have a limit of so many matches allowed per day, or maybe week in these training grounds. so it will force you to go out into pub matches. Eventually I believe ccp plans on having a testing server, but it would probably be limited to actually testing new content before release. +1 we do need a training grounds of sorts for the new guys and a warm up of sorts for when you first get online. Flaw -- no, I don't think so. Thought this one out. Which is why I suggested keeping it within the Corp, so new players don't get slammed by the vets. Idea is for TRAINING your Corp for battles, and assisting the newer players. And the basic gear bites, no real power weapons there, for the new players that can be very frustrating. Better to learn ropes with powered up players, so the new ones can see what they will eventually become. Recommend using suit outfits that have been earned in battle to train and show players what can be done, and how to skill into suit sets. However, the limitation of training matches does work for me, good idea.As well, the battles can/should be used for practice with squads --- learn attack tactics, when to run, when to fight, etc.
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 601	Posted - 2013.07.11 03:29:00 - [8] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Hey Mike, great idea. However I would like to make a few suggestions and point out a few flaws. With what you are requesting, it would pretty much take out alot of the pub matches, and increase proto stomping noobs. ( the flaw) Suggestion: Take your original idea, no sp , no isk , no actual loss. BUT you can only use basic gear, nothing advanced or proto. this way you still get to learn the ropes, but you don't get to beast over the noobs with proto and will keep the proto stomping in the pub matches. And have a limit of so many matches allowed per day, or maybe week in these training grounds. so it will force you to go out into pub matches. Eventually I believe ccp plans on having a testing server, but it would probably be limited to actually testing new content before release. +1 we do need a training grounds of sorts for the new guys and a warm up of sorts for when you first get online. Flaw -- no, I don't think so. Thought this one out. Which is why I suggested keeping it within the Corp, so new players don't get slammed by the vets. Idea is for TRAINING your Corp for battles, and assisting the newer players. And the basic gear bites, no real power weapons there, for the new players that can be very frustrating. Better to learn ropes with powered up players, so the new ones can see what they will eventually become. Recommend using suit outfits that have been earned in battle to train and show players what can be done, and how to skill into suit sets. However, the limitation of training matches does work for me, good idea.As well, the battles can/should be used for practice with squads --- learn attack tactics, when to run, when to fight, etc. ahh I see, I missed the part somehow about it being limited to in corp only. If it was full public access , basically a test server it would ruin alot of gameplay. I'm all for it now!
SHOCKNOFSKY G.R.A.V.E 0	Posted - 2013.07.11 19:13:00 - [9] - Quote It is a great idea :)
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 270	Posted - 2013.07.11 19:22:00 - [10] - Quote not a new game mode. Corps should have a testing zone, where they can invite/kick friends or whatever, and can control the map, game-settings, etc as if it was a dedicated server for any other FPS. Except.... If something is destroyed or a clone is headshotted or otherwise not revived, then the equipment IS lost, BUUUUUUT 75% of what is lost is also recovered as salvage by the owning corporation. So like live-fire testing zone, complete with hazards. Friendly fire toggleable on/off so you can have people test stuff without needing to constantly change teams.

ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 96	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:07:00 - [11] - Quote they should allow players to go onto their corp owned districts were they can call in whatever they want to practise defending their property
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 2	Posted - 2013.07.12 12:54:00 - [12] - Quote Those are both good ideas, but kinda off-topic. Really talking about squads training together. Not just basic point/shoot training, but specific squad action/coordination and communication training. For example: 2 squads from same Corp -- opposite sides. Corp plans particular offensive and defensive plan. Then implement the plan. Test, observe results, discuss, rethink, implement again, until it is done right. Both defense and offense practice until win. If able to do that without loosing ISK and suit items, it would be a tremendous help in training in all aspects of the game. Gaining or loosing ISK or SP/WP is not the point, and would actually deter from the real objective.
Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH 53	Posted - 2013.07.12 14:52:00 - [13] - Quote This sounds good to me. Would make so many corps a lot more viable and a challenge to play against. +1
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 3	Posted - 2013.07.14 01:53:00 - [14] - Quote Yes, precisely.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 199	Posted - 2013.07.14 01:56:00 - [15] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way i would like something like this too, but ccp won't let it happen. they want you to cut your teeth in a live game. eve is the same way, there's no 'training mode'. the solution is to let corps who own territory use their maps when they're not being attacked to fight eachother. stuff will get lost, and clones will die, but it's what we need.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 199	Posted - 2013.07.14 01:57:00 - [16] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: they should allow players to go onto their corp owned districts were they can call in whatever they want to practise defending their property this
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 3	Posted - 2013.07.14 09:29:00 - [17] - Quote [quote=Knightshade Belladonna]... And have a limit of so many matches allowed per day, or maybe week in these training grounds. so it will force you to go out into pub matches. If CCP is resistant to the idea, then what I quoted above from Knightshade Belladonna would be a reasonable option for Corp training.
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 1	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:28:00 - [18] - Quote This is a good idea indeed, but you need to be able to pick a map for battle, their would be no point if you did not have a place to go to train. Maybe we would wan't to train in a specific place!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 5	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:33:00 - [19] - Quote mordiby wrote: This is a good idea indeed, but you need to be able to pick a map for battle, their would be no point if you did not have a place to go to train. Maybe we would wan't to train in a specific place! Yes, was thinking the actual maps we pub on. Best to learn on same grounds we fight
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.07.15 18:41:00 - [20] - Quote This is a genius idea. As clones, we don't care about live-fire exercises, because even if we die, we just respawn. An excellent way to learn tactics. Death becomes a learning experience. As a dropship pilot, It would also be a safe environment with which to practice flying without worrying about a forge gun popping you. I support this 100%.

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 5	Posted - 2013.07.18 00:55:00 - [21] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This is a genius idea. As clones, we don't care about live-fire exercises, because even if we die, we just respawn. An excellent way to learn tactics. Death becomes a learning experience. As a dropship pilot, It would also be a safe environment with which to practice flying without worrying about a forge gun popping you. I support this 100%. Perhaps, but in Dust, every death costs...very expensive training method.
WeapondigitX V7 Planetary Response Organization 33	Posted - 2013.07.18 03:00:00 - [22] - Quote +1 for a training area where you choose a map and there is no loss or gain. +1 for each corp having there own training matches where players from other corps cant enter.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization 41	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:03:00 - [23] - Quote squad training. enemy bot players could be added to this mode.. to improve squad coordination while defending and attacking targets...
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 5	Posted - 2013.07.18 20:14:00 - [24] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: squad training. enemy bot players could be added to this mode.. to improve squad coordination while defending and attacking targets... An interesting thought. I could see bots being useful for training, since bots can only follow along the paths programmed, would be easier to anticipate their moves for training purposes. Bots are the reason I like this game so much. Bots are too easy to learn how to overcome. And in normal play, no Bots to get bored with.
noname warrior DUST University Ivy League 24	Posted - 2013.07.20 20:02:00 - [25] - Quote This is something that I've wanted since I started playing Dust. I've been meaning to post a request for this but have never gotten around to it. I would like to see a map specifically developed for this with shooting ranges to try out different weapons at moving targets and various ranges. Could even be a couple of players in a sparring type mode just practicing shooting at each other and scoring points for hits. Then you get to practice movement as well as marksmanship. Case in point; I've played around with the mass driver a bit but haven't really stuck with it because the way you aim and fire it is so much different than other hand held weapons. I get killed a lot using it which ends up costing me suits and isk and so I get frustrated and put that fit away and go back to the weapons and fits that I'm better at and more comfortable with. Another example - I really want to skill up one of my alts as a dropship pilot but trying to learn to fly one in a match has also proven to be costly and frustrating. A real world comparison scenario would be like this: Special forces/commandos are the elite of any military. To get to that level, soldiers constantly train often for years with weapons and tactics. In fact, their training never stops until they leave special ops or retire. In Dust however, everyone is just thrown onto the battlefield and expected to mix it up with players who have far more experience and therefore far better equipment than the noob does and so consequently the noob gets killed a lot and very often gets so frustrated, he quits playing. We're all supposed to be warriors/mercenaries and yet in this environment, we're given no opportunity to do what any self respecting warrior/mercenary would ever do and expect to survive and go into combat without any training or practice. Seems kinda odd to me.
Pandora Mars Afterlife Overseers 119	Posted - 2013.07.20 20:16:00 - [26] - Quote Many good games have this. Make it happen. It's extremely useful to experiment stuff and train new players. Excellent idea, 10/10.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 7	Posted - 2013.07.20 20:16:00 - [27] - Quote noname warrior wrote: This is something that I've wanted since I started playing Dust. I've been meaning to post a request for this but have never gotten around to it. I would like to see a map specifically developed for this with shooting ranges to try out different weapons at moving targets and various ranges. Could even be a couple of players in a sparring type mode just practicing shooting at each other and scoring points for hits. Then you get to practice movement as well as marksmanship. Case in point; I've played around with the mass driver a bit but haven't really stuck with it because the way you aim and fire it is so much different than other hand held weapons. I get killed a lot using it which ends up costing me suits and isk and so I get frustrated and put that fit away and go back to the weapons and fits that I'm better at and more comfortable with. Another example - I really want to skill up one of my alts as a dropship pilot but trying to learn to fly one in a match has also proven to be costly and frustrating. A real world comparison scenario would be like this: Special forces/commandos are the elite of any military. To get to that level, soldiers constantly train often for years with weapons and tactics. In fact, their training never stops until they leave special ops or retire. In Dust however, everyone is just thrown onto the battlefield and expected to mix it up with players who have far more experience and therefore far better equipment than the noob does and so consequently the noob gets killed a lot and very often gets so frustrated, he quits playing. We're all supposed to be warriors/mercenaries and yet in this environment, we're given no opportunity to do what any self respecting warrior/mercenary would ever do and expect to survive and go into combat without any training or practice. Seems kinda odd to me. Well stated +1
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 79	Posted - 2013.07.22 17:02:00 - [28] - Quote Environment where killed clones are free and players can scour maps for hours to find exploits/glitches/etc..? Perhaps not as awesome in the long run. What about virtual reality mode where CCP gives us some wild skins/textures and some smaller VR maps (single installations, perhaps)? That retains the lore of real clones costing money and every battle being on a wildly varying map on one of thousands of planet districts. Also, VR maps would be an AWESOME way to introduce and encourage player-created custom maps! Thunderdome arenas, dropship obstacle courses, lav race courses, etc.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 7	Posted - 2013.07.22 17:51:00 - [29] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Environment where killed clones are free and players can scour maps for hours to find exploits/glitches/etc..? Perhaps not as awesome in the long run. What about virtual reality mode where CCP gives us some wild skins/textures and some smaller VR maps (single installations, perhaps)? That retains the lore of real clones costing money and every battle being on a wildly varying map on one of thousands of planet districts. Also, VR maps would be an AWESOME way to introduce and encourage player-created custom maps! Thunderdome arenas, dropship obstacle courses, lav race courses, etc. Training could/would be limited. Perhaps either a specific amount of time or battles per week. Finding glitches, etc. would actually be beneficial to the players as well as the developers. Would not disturb the lore of the 2 games to be able to practice squad coordination/communication. And saving your ISK, weapons and equipment for the real battles would give the players an opportunity and the time to learn their weapons and equipment without loosing it all trying. I do like the idea of player-created maps. That would, indeed be awesome.
DJINN Jecture Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 33	Posted - 2013.07.23 01:18:00 - [30] - Quote +1 bumpity bumpity bump bump bump

Killar-12 Intrepidus XI EoN. 246	Posted - 2013.07.23 01:37:00 - [31] - Quote +1 This is great TEST SERVER! FTW!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 11	Posted - 2013.07.24 11:41:00 - [32] - Quote No other opinions out there on this topic?
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 382	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:12:00 - [33] - Quote +1 I can see only one drawback to it. Lack of incentive to try harder and not loose your gear. But a place to train the muscle memory without the fear of staining one's KDR or making a dent in a wallet is a good idea. Actually this can be achieved in less spectacular way on an disposable alt char. And you can fund now any player not in your corp So while your alt earns ISK, some of it could be spent on new gear and some could be sent back to your main char. If CCP added a way to put particular players on opposite teams in the same battle. A way to setup a merc/corp duel in pub match via matchmaker... This would be it...
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 13	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:30:00 - [34] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: +1 I can see only one drawback to it. Lack of incentive to try harder and not loose your gear. But a place to train the muscle memory without the fear of staining one's KDR or making a dent in a wallet is a good idea. Actually this can be achieved in less spectacular way on an disposable alt char. And you can fund now any player not in your corp So while your alt earns ISK, some of it could be spent on new gear and some could be sent back to your main char. If CCP added a way to put particular players on opposite teams in the same battle. A way to setup a merc/corp duel in pub match via matchmaker... This would be it... Good thoughts. Using a disposable alt would mean Battle Academy, over and over...not gaining much ISK. I guess the ISK earned would also depend on how long you kept the alt going. I like the matchmaker idea. Selectively choosing your opponents/team members would provide an extra training aspect to the whole idea.
Kadar Saeleid M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 26	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:58:00 - [35] - Quote FraggerMike's got the right idea; if it enters Dust, this is how it should be implemented. It might even tie in well with a Corp hub, but I don't think one is necessary without the other. This is a great way to build unit cohesion and camaraderie for a Corp, and limiting it to a set amount of matches a day is a worthwhile limit if necessary. They could even have Aurum versions available that were fancier (looking out for ya CCP) Noname makes some great points as well. A shooting range would be a great place to feel out weapons until their descriptions are more accurate, and even afterwards a place you could emphasize strengths of a weapon to a trainee. I think a Corp needs to invest heavily in its new members, and this is just one spectacular way to do it, while also improving the New Player Experience (hint hint). Anyways, great thread, lots of great ideas. +1's all over the place.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 15	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:06:00 - [36] - Quote Yes, the shooting range was an excellent addition to the equation. Good one, Noname.
DJINN Jecture Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 35	Posted - 2013.07.25 16:36:00 - [37] - Quote Allow us open access to the districts we own to train mercs on and to go hunt NPC rogue drones. Fix PC so there is a benefit above and beyond the limited and rather shortsighted benefits it currently offers.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 34	Posted - 2013.07.26 12:29:00 - [38] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: Allow us open access to the districts we own to train mercs on and to go hunt NPC rogue drones. Fix PC so there is a benefit above and beyond the limited and rather shortsighted benefits it currently offers. Not to be rude, never try to be anyways, but... I don't get your post on this thread. Please enlighten me. Thank you.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 34	Posted - 2013.07.26 15:14:00 - [39] - Quote The thought has occurred that excluding non-corp members from training with a Corp might not be a good idea. For example: G.R.A.V.E (insert your Corp name here) could contract out to train, or to be trained by, non-corp members/corps (not that we need it, just an example :p ). Said contract could be for isk, aur, weapons/equipment trade, etc. Yet another way to stimulate the Dust/Eve economy?
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 727	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:21:00 - [40] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: The thought has occurred that excluding non-corp members from training with a Corp might not be a good idea. For example: G.R.A.V.E (insert your Corp name here) could contract out to train, or to be trained by, non-corp members/corps (not that we need it, just an example :p ). Said contract could be for isk, aur, weapons/equipment trade, etc. Yet another way to stimulate the Dust/Eve economy? Since there is zero sp being gained, why not. Training Corps, selling Training ops in Training Grounds sounds like a good biz

DJINN Jecture Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 37	Posted - 2013.07.28 01:56:00 - [41] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: Allow us open access to the districts we own to train mercs on and to go hunt NPC rogue drones. Fix PC so there is a benefit above and beyond the limited and rather shortsighted benefits it currently offers. Not to be rude, never try to be anyways, but... I don't get your post on this thread. Please enlighten me. Thank you. Training facilities on PC districts would be a boon to players involved in PC as well as a way to increase the benefits that being in PC brings. It would allow new corps purchasing districts to train their corp members in tactics useful specifically for defending their districts as well as reduce the current "I don't want to do PC" because of X reason to a small handful of players who either don't want to have the hassle or don't want to train and just enjoy doing pub matches. PC battles are often one sided, many of us know this. It is the experienced players that normally do well in PC matches and that is the norm atm. I look at the future and see many more people involved in PC as an option if there were this specific reason to have the districts, open access to train players on them.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 38	Posted - 2013.07.28 09:13:00 - [42] - Quote DJINN Jecture wrote: FraggerMike wrote: DJINN Jecture wrote: Allow us open access to the districts we own to train mercs on and to go hunt NPC rogue drones. Fix PC so there is a benefit above and beyond the limited and rather shortsighted benefits it currently offers. Not to be rude, never try to be anyways, but... I don't get your post on this thread. Please enlighten me. Thank you. Training facilities on PC districts would be a boon to players involved in PC as well as a way to increase the benefits that being in PC brings. It would allow new corps purchasing districts to train their corp members in tactics useful specifically for defending their districts as well as reduce the current "I don't want to do PC" because of X reason to a small handful of players who either don't want to have the hassle or don't want to train and just enjoy doing pub matches. PC battles are often one sided, many of us know this. It is the experienced players that normally do well in PC matches and that is the norm atm. I look at the future and see many more people involved in PC as an option if there were this specific reason to have the districts, open access to train players on them. Okay, much clearer now.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 39	Posted - 2013.07.29 14:32:00 - [43] - Quote Okay, CCP -- I assume you know of this thread. What say you to this proposal/suggestion ?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 51	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:23:00 - [44] - Quote Time to bump :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 52	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:54:00 - [45] - Quote Gotta keep this topic alive, help spread the word.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 54	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:19:00 - [46] - Quote Push it up, shove it up, WAY UP ! :)
Turtle Hermit Roshi Famous.OTF Only The Famous 1	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:18:00 - [47] - Quote i highly agree there should be some variation on this at least
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 908	Posted - 2013.08.16 16:19:00 - [48] - Quote We need this CCP
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F 1359	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:24:00 - [49] - Quote from what i uderstand ccp plan on implementing a corp training room and weapons lab
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 621	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:34:00 - [50] - Quote I Like It. VR Training, Huh? War As a Video Game, the way to Breed the Ultimate Soldier.

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 58	Posted - 2013.08.16 18:23:00 - [51] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: from what i uderstand ccp plan on implementing a corp training room and weapons lab Interesting. Do you have source info to peruse?
Jebediah Mayhew Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.16 18:51:00 - [52] - Quote Heck ya. This would be very useful for dropship pilots. Those controls are notoriously difficult.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 913	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:27:00 - [53] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: from what i uderstand ccp plan on implementing a corp training room and weapons lab Interesting. Do you have source info to peruse? nothing more than them saying it's a feature they would like to implement one day.. nothing specific mentioned on it as far as I know
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 58	Posted - 2013.08.17 04:22:00 - [54] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: FraggerMike wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: from what i uderstand ccp plan on implementing a corp training room and weapons lab Interesting. Do you have source info to peruse? nothing more than them saying it's a feature they would like to implement one day.. nothing specific mentioned on it as far as I know Interesting... as a result of this thread, perhaps?
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 536	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:06:00 - [55] - Quote +1 CCP make this happen and save the game. Call it the VR room or something. OR THE HOLODECK!!!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 58	Posted - 2013.08.17 12:27:00 - [56] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: +1 CCP make this happen and save the game. Call it the VR room or something. OR THE HOLODECK!!! Nice. I like that. "Holodeck514"
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 58	Posted - 2013.08.18 17:28:00 - [57] - Quote There are doors in my quarters that don't open. Would be nice to walk up to one, access a panel and choose map and holo-match settings, then walk through and into the Holodeck.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 58	Posted - 2013.08.21 10:56:00 - [58] - Quote Bump me up, Scotty
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 17	Posted - 2013.08.21 13:16:00 - [59] - Quote This needs to fit the lore. I suggest the "training grounds" to be virtual like how Halo 4 elaborates on why spartans are fighting spartans (if I remember correctly). This would explain how clones are being blown apart with no resources lost. So yeah, if you make it fit the lore I'm all for it as long as it's corp only.
Nomex Gallatin OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:02:00 - [60] - Quote Great idea FraggerMike. +1

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 64	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:07:00 - [61] - Quote Nomex Gallatin wrote: Great idea FraggerMike. +1 Thank you. Please spread the word of this.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 64	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:59:00 - [62] - Quote Moving on up!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 64	Posted - 2013.08.24 13:05:00 - [63] - Quote Stepping it up the ladder. This be a bump :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 65	Posted - 2013.08.26 13:11:00 - [64] - Quote Gotta bump, so I have an off-topic question: Anyone heard if in 1.4 there will be a respec option as well?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 65	Posted - 2013.08.27 13:10:00 - [65] - Quote Guess I'll find out next week :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 66	Posted - 2013.08.28 10:48:00 - [66] - Quote Give me a B, U, M, P !!! Yes, that's it...Bump it up!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 67	Posted - 2013.08.29 15:38:00 - [67] - Quote Let's keep this topic alive. Also keep the good ideas coming to it.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 67	Posted - 2013.08.31 11:04:00 - [68] - Quote Mr. Scott -- activate bump mechanism!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 68	Posted - 2013.09.01 09:07:00 - [69] - Quote 3...2...1...Bump!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 69	Posted - 2013.09.03 00:18:00 - [70] - Quote Another day, another bump :)

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 72	Posted - 2013.09.04 09:43:00 - [71] - Quote Moving on up...
Tal-Rakken Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:33:00 - [72] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: i really like the idea of not losing or gaining anything where deaths or kills dont matter.. i could test new gear i obtained in this type of mode.. would solve part of the issue of not haveing a test server problem is too many people would play for no gain no loss and just afk in the mccs for isk(or should i call it banding now??)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 72	Posted - 2013.09.04 10:36:00 - [73] - Quote Tal-Rakken wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i really like the idea of not losing or gaining anything where deaths or kills dont matter.. i could test new gear i obtained in this type of mode.. would solve part of the issue of not haveing a test server problem is too many people would play for no gain no loss and just afk in the mccs for isk(or should i call it banding now??) RSS -- Really Simple Solution -- don't allow ISK gain from MCC.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 72	Posted - 2013.09.05 13:03:00 - [74] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Tal-Rakken wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i really like the idea of not losing or gaining anything where deaths or kills dont matter.. i could test new gear i obtained in this type of mode.. would solve part of the issue of not haveing a test server problem is too many people would play for no gain no loss and just afk in the mccs for isk(or should i call it banding now??) RSS -- Really Simple Solution -- don't allow ISK gain from MCC. :) Actually, the idea IS no gain/loss of anything. Go in with what u got, go out with what u got. No more, no less.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 72	Posted - 2013.09.08 10:54:00 - [75] - Quote Another day, another rung.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 72	Posted - 2013.09.10 09:52:00 - [76] - Quote Been a couple days, so maybe we step up a couple rungs :)
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 13	Posted - 2013.09.10 15:43:00 - [77] - Quote My corp mates and me are talking about this kinda every two days. How good would be a private mode / training ground in this game. Especially in this game! Hope CCP is regognizing this Thread, this ideas! It would be soo damn right to get a mode like this =). Bump. Greets Theex
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 73	Posted - 2013.09.12 10:59:00 - [78] - Quote Can we get a Dev comment here? What are your thoughts on this topic?
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 14	Posted - 2013.09.12 16:30:00 - [79] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Can we get a Dev comment here? What are your thoughts on this topic? That would be reeeeeaaaly nice! Edit: I just done the survery yesterday and mentioned that suggestion with a big ! ^^
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 73	Posted - 2013.09.12 19:54:00 - [80] - Quote Theex 1661 wrote: FraggerMike wrote: Can we get a Dev comment here? What are your thoughts on this topic? That would be reeeeeaaaly nice! Edit: I just done the survery yesterday and mentioned that suggestion with a big ! ^^ Excellent !!

Skihids Bullet Cluster 2090	Posted - 2013.09.12 21:07:00 - [81] - Quote VR is the only way to run it without destroying men and material. CCP could charge a nominal ISK fee for the simulator that would come out of the corp wallet. Such a facility would be a corp draw.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 74	Posted - 2013.09.16 12:46:00 - [82] - Quote Skihids wrote: VR is the only way to run it without destroying men and material. CCP could charge a nominal ISK fee for the simulator that would come out of the corp wallet. Such a facility would be a corp draw. That would work, as long as the ISK fee isn't extreme. And, Dust514 IS VR :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 75	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:40:00 - [83] - Quote Keeping it active.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 925	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:45:00 - [84] - Quote Boomleh Bump. Plas one to the ideas.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 75	Posted - 2013.09.17 18:58:00 - [85] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: FraggerMike wrote: Tal-Rakken wrote: CLONE117 wrote: i really like the idea of not losing or gaining anything where deaths or kills dont matter.. i could test new gear i obtained in this type of mode.. would solve part of the issue of not haveing a test server problem is too many people would play for no gain no loss and just afk in the mccs for isk(or should i call it banding now??) RSS -- Really Simple Solution -- don't allow ISK gain from MCC. :) Actually, the idea IS no gain/loss of anything. Go in with what u got, go out with what u got. No more, no less. Further thoughts on this: Just say NO to the MCC. Not needed for this purpose (everyone knows how to jump already). AFK issue solved!
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2114	Posted - 2013.09.17 19:24:00 - [86] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Skihids wrote: VR is the only way to run it without destroying men and material. CCP could charge a nominal ISK fee for the simulator that would come out of the corp wallet. Such a facility would be a corp draw. That would work, as long as the ISK fee isn't extreme. And, Dust514 IS VR :) That's what makes it so easy to implement.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 414	Posted - 2013.09.17 19:33:00 - [87] - Quote D-Uni could really use something like this...last week I tried teaching a student how to fly dropships on the oceana server.....got demolished by some proto bears with proto tanks and swarms :(
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 5	Posted - 2013.09.17 21:06:00 - [88] - Quote I really do hope this becomes a thing, I would LOVEEEE IT!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 77	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:44:00 - [89] - Quote From the looks of it, a lot of players would like to see this implemented in 1 fashion or another.
Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 124	Posted - 2013.09.18 19:53:00 - [90] - Quote There's been plenty of games that do this kind of thing successfully. Hell metal gear online did a great job of it, there was not only a training game mode with 1 game master/ host but there were later implemented games where stats weren't affected at all, both game modes allowed the use of whatever weapons available. Who cares if protostomping happens in these matches? Not like you will lose anything except pride, and you can only get better at the game by eventually finding ways to beat them. Or just screw around, I would come in with 200k suits and tanks everywhere just because why not, might even learn how to fly :)

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 77	Posted - 2013.09.18 23:00:00 - [91] - Quote Sounds like it shouldn't be too difficult to accomplish then :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 77	Posted - 2013.09.18 23:04:00 - [92] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: There's been plenty of games that do this kind of thing successfully. Hell metal gear online did a great job of it, there was not only a training game mode with 1 game master/ host but there were later implemented games where stats weren't affected at all, both game modes allowed the use of whatever weapons available. Who cares if protostomping happens in these matches? Not like you will lose anything except pride, and you can only get better at the game by eventually finding ways to beat them. Or just screw around, I would come in with 200k suits and tanks everywhere just because why not, might even learn how to fly :) This would be Corp controlled event, no protostomping possible with proper planning of a training battle. Of course, setting up such a battle would be an interesting test as well.
LeGoose SAM-MIK 26	Posted - 2013.09.19 02:12:00 - [93] - Quote +1 to all of these ideas! This would be amazing to have in an attempt to train new players and to work out tactics for a corp. Also having this be a no loss/no gain mode would make it so that people would still go into pubs to get their skill caps.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 78	Posted - 2013.09.19 02:24:00 - [94] - Quote LeGoose wrote: +1 to all of these ideas! This would be amazing to have in an attempt to train new players and to work out tactics for a corp. Also having this be a no loss/no gain mode would make it so that people would still go into pubs to get their skill caps. Glad you like the idea. It is fleshing out quite nicely.
Xaviah Reaper Savage Arms INC 20	Posted - 2013.09.19 02:24:00 - [95] - Quote I would live in this area with my Dropships xD never losing one legitimately would be a godsend support +1
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 78	Posted - 2013.09.19 02:25:00 - [96] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: This is a genius idea. As clones, we don't care about live-fire exercises, because even if we die, we just respawn. An excellent way to learn tactics. Death becomes a learning experience. As a dropship pilot, It would also be a safe environment with which to practice flying without worrying about a forge gun popping you. I support this 100%. And thank you, also, for your support.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 78	Posted - 2013.09.22 10:32:00 - [97] - Quote Bump.
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 16	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:09:00 - [98] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: D-Uni could really use something like this...last week I tried teaching a student how to fly dropships on the oceana server.....got demolished by some proto bears with proto tanks and swarms :( Probably those Blauhelme from Germany. They're playing a awful lot of time on those oceanic servers lately. And playing for real with full squads, no idea why. Seems like "Oceanic Stomping" is in the trend . Btw: Bump
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 81	Posted - 2013.09.23 15:26:00 - [99] - Quote Theex 1661 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: D-Uni could really use something like this...last week I tried teaching a student how to fly dropships on the oceana server.....got demolished by some proto bears with proto tanks and swarms :( Probably those Blauhelme from Germany. They're playing a awful lot of time on those oceanic servers lately. And playing for real with full squads, no idea why. Seems like "Oceanic Stomping" is in the trend . Btw: Bump Maybe they are using Oceanic as a form of the topic of this post?
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 17	Posted - 2013.09.23 23:31:00 - [100] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Maybe they are using Oceanic as a form of the topic of this post? For training reasons i can understand that partially. But i cant understand if there is a full six men squad in the enemy team chasing one to two guys on our side. Like doing a chivvy with proto gear and a tank in a small ambush (not OMS). That's pathetic . (mainly, not to blauhelme) I saw that a lot in the past when i went there for testing. E.g. calculating run speeds, damage dealing or the specific weapon ranges. But hey, thats exactly why we need some kind of test-, train- or private-mode . Greets Theex

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 7	Posted - 2013.09.24 01:27:00 - [101] - Quote Make it work like joining a channel, some are well known like "help" anyone can join it and plenty know it others are corp specific others are between friends some passwords some not and an invite button It'll basically be our custom/private match
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 82	Posted - 2013.09.26 15:21:00 - [102] - Quote Theex 1661 wrote: FraggerMike wrote: Maybe they are using Oceanic as a form of the topic of this post? For training reasons i can understand that partially. But i cant understand if there is a full six men squad in the enemy team chasing one to two guys on our side. Like doing a chivvy with proto gear and a tank in a small ambush (not OMS). That's pathetic . (mainly, not to blauhelme) I saw that a lot in the past when i went there for testing. E.g. calculating run speeds, damage dealing or the specific weapon ranges. But hey, thats exactly why we need some kind of test-, train- or private-mode . Greets Theex MIght just have to check out Oceanic
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 83	Posted - 2013.09.30 13:18:00 - [103] - Quote Pushing upwards
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 85	Posted - 2013.10.02 11:23:00 - [104] - Quote Help keep this post alive !
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2013.10.02 14:22:00 - [105] - Quote I am on board for the training area but not a clone/suit/isk cost. The training area should be a NPE friendly area including a fitting room to test ANY weapon or vehicle on any socket set. Call it simulation. Allow contacts/squads/corp members to join you in the simulator. Think Eve Valkyrie with Dust inside Dust.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 86	Posted - 2013.10.02 14:26:00 - [106] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: I am on board for the training area but not a clone/suit/isk cost. The training area should be a NPE friendly area including a fitting room to test ANY weapon or vehicle on any socket set. Call it simulation. Allow contacts/squads/corp members to join you in the simulator. Think Eve Valkyrie with Dust inside Dust. Excellent. The primary idea is to not loose, or gain, anything. Just simply a way to train our troops.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2013.10.02 14:38:00 - [107] - Quote I honestly don't see how this was missed in the planning process. Revisit my previous post for a look at the possibilities.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 87	Posted - 2013.10.03 13:09:00 - [108] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: ... With the rising costs of the War in Molden Heath reaching new highs, the researchers at Ishukone have come up with a piece of ancient technology repaired and repurposed from ancient technology to provide the user with a combat simulation, allowing them to learn how to fire a rifle, drive a LAV, Tank or Dropship. This project is has been hailed as the key to reducing costs for the average mercenary as well as for corporations around New Eden. Several assassination attempts by rival corporations (and by his own corporation as well) have been foiled by the brave mercenaries defending Professor T. Frink, trained using this technology, proving it's effectiveness at both training and reducing costs. Most interesting.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 87	Posted - 2013.10.06 23:37:00 - [109] - Quote Moving upward :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 88	Posted - 2013.10.07 22:01:00 - [110] - Quote Stepping it up, 117 members and rising :)

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 121	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:15:00 - [111] - Quote Still looking for this. Any Dev's in the house? :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 136	Posted - 2013.10.11 09:34:00 - [112] - Quote bump
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 136	Posted - 2013.10.13 09:42:00 - [113] - Quote Never stop trying. :)
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 138	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:39:00 - [114] - Quote Did I hear right? 1.6 will have a training ground mode?
mystus no1 Industrie und Handels Konsortium Tribunal Alliance 14	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:10:00 - [115] - Quote You have my support
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 140	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:31:00 - [116] - Quote mystus no1 wrote: You have my support Glad to hear that. Help spread the word.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 142	Posted - 2013.10.19 13:47:00 - [117] - Quote G.R.A.V.E -- growing in numbers, rising up the ranks. Helping to promote the Training Mode.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 142	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:18:00 - [118] - Quote Ashe to Ashes, Dust(514) to Dust(514), Having a Training Mode Is a Must !
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 143	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:18:00 - [119] - Quote Bump me up, Scotty !
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 144	Posted - 2013.10.28 13:02:00 - [120] - Quote Still waiting for a good way to train the troops.

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 146	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:53:00 - [121] - Quote pushing up the daisies Director of G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 146	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:52:00 - [122] - Quote Refreshing the idea, keeping it alive. Director of G.R.A.V.E
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 36	Posted - 2013.11.06 17:13:00 - [123] - Quote Kisses for fragger! Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 147	Posted - 2013.11.06 17:43:00 - [124] - Quote mordiby wrote: Kisses for fragger! Director of G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 147	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:37:00 - [125] - Quote Still climbing the ladder. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 10	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:58:00 - [126] - Quote 100% agree with your idea.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 147	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:12:00 - [127] - Quote Ghermard-ol Dizeriois wrote: 100% agree with your idea. Help spread the word Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 148	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:45:00 - [128] - Quote Freshen up Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 152	Posted - 2013.11.18 15:28:00 - [129] - Quote Bump-de-bumpbump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 157	Posted - 2013.11.20 14:51:00 - [130] - Quote Working on page 8 :) Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 158	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:12:00 - [131] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Working on page 8 :) Are we there yet? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
abarkrishna WarRavens 77	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:41:00 - [132] - Quote I would love to see this become real. I 100% approve of this! They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 159	Posted - 2013.11.24 11:45:00 - [133] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: I would love to see this become real. I 100% approve of this! Cool -- help spread the word ! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Setme Ilyis Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 4	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:56:00 - [134] - Quote Bump! Love this idea! :D "The tragedy in life isn't death, rather, it's what we allow to die within us, while we live." Norman Cousins
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 161	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:02:00 - [135] - Quote Setme Ilyis wrote: Bump! Love this idea! :D As do I. Help spread the word! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Theex 1661 Gummibaerenbande 514 18	Posted - 2013.11.27 11:36:00 - [136] - Quote For christmas i want a red fire truck, world peace and a training ground in dust .
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 163	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:15:00 - [137] - Quote Theex 1661 wrote: For christmas i want a red fire truck, world peace and a training ground in dust . Hmmm... I'm betting it'll be the fire truck, but most likely yellow. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Fox Gaden Bojo's School of the Trades 1619	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:46:00 - [138] - Quote - Corp only, but that should only apply to the Squad Leader or individuals joining, so you can bring people from other Corps in by having them in your squad. - Corp Directors and Terrestrial Combat Officers have the option to kick any participant. - Option to switch teams, so you can have people on apposing teams for live fire testing/training. - No Skill Points gained beyond what you would have gained passively in the Merc quarters. No ISK gain/loss. Kills/Deaths/WP do not effect your stats outside of the training environment. - Access to any weapon, suit, equipment, module, and vehicle in the game. Unlimited supply, no skill requirements. (Only within the training environment.) - Ability to make training fittings with your dream gear. (Only useable in training environment.) - If there are 32 people in a Corp's training environment, or there is not enough room for a squad queing in, then a second training environment will be generated. This environment will allow people to test gear in order to decide what they want to skill into, and allow all sorts of training scenarios to be setup. This would not negatively effect attendance in PUB matches because there is only so long people are going to want to play in an environment with no SP or ISK gain, and no effect on their stats. Renier Gaden: CEO of Immortal Guides Fox Gaden: TCO & TMO for BSotT Crash Gaden: Operations Director, Immortal Guide
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 163	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:54:00 - [139] - Quote ^^ Yup, pretty much sums it all up. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 164	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:13:00 - [140] - Quote Still looking for this. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 165	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:37:00 - [141] - Quote Stumping' for a bumpin' Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 165	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:45:00 - [142] - Quote uummpphh...there, another rung closer. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 165	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:56:00 - [143] - Quote Bumper Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 43	Posted - 2013.12.11 17:26:00 - [144] - Quote Kisses for the cause! Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 165	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:24:00 - [145] - Quote I am kinda liking the Scotty glitches where we end up alone in a battle. Seems to be happening more often recently. Gets a bit boring, but can be a riot to play :) Kinda, sorta training. At least get vehicle practice. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 24	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:40:00 - [146] - Quote Since the clones all possess an implant that instantly transfers a clones mind. I can imagine a device a player would walk into and transfer to a simulated battle that would be happening in their brains only (no loss of eq). But it wouldn't be just limited to corps. whole alliances could participate.(32 player limit of course) There could also be a mental fatigue system which would prevent abuse. Eg You just had 3 training battes so now you either rest for x time or fight in x amount of REAL matches.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 167	Posted - 2013.12.14 11:06:00 - [147] - Quote bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 45	Posted - 2013.12.14 21:59:00 - [148] - Quote Always keeping an eye out for a cause! Xd Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 46	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:25:00 - [149] - Quote Keeping it real since now! XD Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.12.16 20:32:00 - [150] - Quote It might have been stated already but I'm too lazy to go through 8 pages of chatter. I love the idea, especially on a limited training clause but its a great way to get unity among corps and get this game rolling in a more meaningful way. The thing I wanted to include is actually a benefit for CCP. If there were a training server and we stumbled upon a bug, its an excellent way to have record of it. You can repeat your findings without loss and with multiple users to see how consistent the bug is. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick

mordiby G.R.A.V.E 48	Posted - 2013.12.17 17:15:00 - [151] - Quote The cause is amazing, here is some training modes in my back pocket. XD Gives training mode from back pocket. Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 169	Posted - 2013.12.24 22:12:00 - [152] - Quote Think maybe CCPSanta gonna give us a HoloDeck this year? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 170	Posted - 2013.12.27 13:20:00 - [153] - Quote Bummer, all I got was a lump of Veldspar :( Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 253	Posted - 2013.12.27 13:32:00 - [154] - Quote Great idea i gues only problem for CCP is to get this set up server side. Will it require a huge part of their servers so that maybe 300 people can play on their own and train, while all this "space" could have been used to field 300*16 fights ?? I don't know how the actual mechanic behind match creation is so i'm onlt guessing BUT DAMM !!! CCP you've taken away our corp vs corp contract fights which where the closest to training we had so PLEASE !! give us some knid of training ground Hey will even get more people in
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 172	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:36:00 - [155] - Quote ...Hey will even get more people in [;) wrote: That statement, alone, should give DEVS something tangible to mull over. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
mordiby G.R.A.V.E 49	Posted - 2013.12.31 00:20:00 - [156] - Quote Give us training, or give us training! Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 174	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:46:00 - [157] - Quote Still pushing... Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 297	Posted - 2014.01.03 16:52:00 - [158] - Quote bump! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 174	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:42:00 - [159] - Quote Bumper Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FarQue FromAfar Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:39:00 - [160] - Quote If you can create a squad and set who is able to join and who isnt, why not set up test mode this way. Set it to squad, or corp, or alliance only, or set it to public and try out someone you dont know. Either way this is a good idea. I think it needs to be no loss of anything. There has to be a better way to break in new players besides using a PC battle to hack 30k sp and 4 million ISK with no objectives being taken till the last min off mcc life.

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E 176	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:09:00 - [161] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.01.14 23:29:00 - [162] - Quote I think if PvE were to exist it would also open doors to small campaigns and in house tournaments for corperations. I think that the simple benefits are obvious but it is also the other crazy awesome stuff you can do. I mean, imagine racing LAV's for corp ISK or making bets on accomplishing things within the environment. I think the PvE should have the option of choosing a side as well so that you can properly train people and make your own in house mini games. An example of a mini game that is played by corp members would be something like "find the uplink" where a single corp member playing on the enemy team drops an uplink in a special spot and newer corp members go look for it without using a scanner. Or race to a null or 1v1 grudge matches. Snipe matches. Etc. I do believe that SP should be awarded but it should be very fixed OR tiered. An example would be similar to the bonus SP where a special SP pool exists and once exhuasted you don't get anymore. Maybe make it a solid 100k. The other option is to allow the first PvE situation be like 5k SP, 2nd 4.5k, 3rd 4k,....9th 1k, 10th and later is only 500k. By the 10th one it is only 27.5k SP which is a solid amount for people under 2mil SP. And they can keep grinding it out. I also believe it should COST ISK to participate in as opposed to getting ISK as a reward. For example mayber it costs 25k ISK to participate in.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 176	Posted - 2014.01.20 13:10:00 - [163] - Quote Moving back up. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 347	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:43:00 - [164] - Quote yes please, it doesnt have to fancy like the vr in planetside 2. it could just be a normal map with with none of the stats bieng counted. I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 385	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:12:00 - [165] - Quote CCP? Just a quick glance to see all the goodness this thread contains. Even if just to tell us its farther down the map would be music to our ears. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 21	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:09:00 - [166] - Quote This Thread is incredible and A lot of these ideas are amazing in my opinion. +1 Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
mordiby G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 53	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:46:00 - [167] - Quote Still waiting for a reply CCP. Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 176	Posted - 2014.01.26 15:57:00 - [168] - Quote mordiby wrote: Still waiting for a reply CCP. Likewise Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 175	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:09:00 - [169] - Quote CCP Devs: 3,800 (and counting) views. 167 replies, all for this. I realized those numbers are not "huge", but, can we at least get a comment or maybe some hint of a possibility of this becoming a reality? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 175	Posted - 2014.01.30 16:16:00 - [170] - Quote bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 117	Posted - 2014.01.30 23:38:00 - [171] - Quote I played another FPS that had this and just being able to run around and learn the maps was so helpful for new players.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 175	Posted - 2014.02.02 15:54:00 - [172] - Quote bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 176	Posted - 2014.02.05 14:58:00 - [173] - Quote bumped, again Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Eko Sol 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 88	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:24:00 - [174] - Quote They aren't going to reply. I'm not trying to be a downer or anything and nothing against CCP but they just don't care. It's clear that the priorities are off track from what the existing and vocal player base really want. Because the MMO element exists there is always going to be a hardcore player base and, I believe, they spend enough in aurum and new players that don't know any better spend enough aurum that they will continue on the path as is. Not to mention that the past three days have been freaking weird with some of things I've been seeing in the game. Tack on the fact that the most CCP posts are in forum threads that break the so called forum rules aka trolling. I just don't see anything legit moving forward to enhance the game or to fix bugs. I pride myself in my ability to gather and observe evidence. There is honestly very little to no evidence of them enhancing the game or fixing some popularly exploited bugs in the game.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 176	Posted - 2014.02.06 13:00:00 - [175] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: They aren't going to reply..... I will never surrender ! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 177	Posted - 2014.02.10 13:17:00 - [176] - Quote Keeping the dream alive. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 460	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:00:00 - [177] - Quote Dream big, sir! Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 178	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:58:00 - [178] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Dream big, sir! Always do Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Justice Darling Themis Argonauts 30	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:50:00 - [179] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way OH YEAH airsoft in space whoot whoot get some
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 34	Posted - 2014.02.13 23:28:00 - [180] - Quote I am all for the no proto stomping for this. Basic gear only, no gain or loss of gear or points. Just a good old fashioned god mode stomping with no worries of loss or gains.

FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 180	Posted - 2014.02.17 14:03:00 - [181] - Quote SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: I am all for the no proto stomping for this. Basic gear only, no gain or loss of gear or points. Just a good old fashioned god mode stomping with no worries of loss or gains. Actually, if done correctly, we would be able to choose any fit we wanted to. Get your squad(s) together, fit out specifically for a given training session. Go militia, go proto -- experience it from all aspects. Never driven a tank? Never flown a dropship? In the virtual training world, yes, yes you can. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 180	Posted - 2014.02.19 14:09:00 - [182] - Quote bumper Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 36	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:48:00 - [183] - Quote bump
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 180	Posted - 2014.02.24 14:02:00 - [184] - Quote Do I see a glimmer of this? I see mention of "free roam". Could this be what we're looking for? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 180	Posted - 2014.02.28 13:47:00 - [185] - Quote Bump! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 181	Posted - 2014.03.03 14:59:00 - [186] - Quote Still waiting... Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 182	Posted - 2014.03.06 15:22:00 - [187] - Quote Back on top... for a minute or 2 :) Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 182	Posted - 2014.03.10 12:19:00 - [188] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 182	Posted - 2014.03.12 13:07:00 - [189] - Quote Still waiting... Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 185	Posted - 2014.03.14 13:04:00 - [190] - Quote ^^^ Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

agent caron DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2014.03.16 04:21:00 - [191] - Quote I agree, but private matches should also be able to be aranged. The creator of the match would chose alliance, corp, private, public, ect. Kinda like the squad finder, The trainer, or something. My recruiter link
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 187	Posted - 2014.03.20 14:25:00 - [192] - Quote bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 187	Posted - 2014.03.24 13:46:00 - [193] - Quote Keeping the dream alive Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2014.03.24 14:28:00 - [194] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Hey Mike, great idea. However I would like to make a few suggestions and point out a few flaws. With what you are requesting, it would pretty much take out alot of the pub matches, and increase proto stomping noobs. ( the flaw) Suggestion: Take your original idea, no sp , no isk , no actual loss. BUT you can only use basic gear, nothing advanced or proto. this way you still get to learn the ropes, but you don't get to beast over the noobs with proto and will keep the proto stomping in the pub matches. And have a limit of so many matches allowed per day, or maybe week in these training grounds. so it will force you to go out into pub matches. Eventually I believe ccp plans on having a testing server, but it would probably be limited to actually testing new content before release. +1 we do need a training grounds of sorts for the new guys and a warm up of sorts for when you first get online. +1. However, I believe ccp will never implement this idea as it would greatly effect a player driven economy in the future. I would say the loss of suits if only militia gear would be acceptable, and still grant the experience to new players as a warm and welcoming place to get your face shot off ;) Give DUST514 some direction.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 188	Posted - 2014.03.27 14:59:00 - [195] - Quote Well, then, they could make it part of the economy. Pay to train -- not preferred, but would be acceptable in order to properly train. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 662	Posted - 2014.03.27 15:45:00 - [196] - Quote I would be down with that if it were possible. Given that CCP has to dedicate servers, I would be ok with a corp paying isk to 'reserve' training slots. It's not ideal but if its the only way to get it, I'll take it. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 190	Posted - 2014.04.03 15:46:00 - [197] - Quote Nearly 9 months later... And still looking for this. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Zangief Demonius G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.04.03 17:51:00 - [198] - Quote Dude, I am, and always WILL be all for this. The training and all. Also...BUMP!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 207	Posted - 2014.04.08 14:35:00 - [199] - Quote Zangief Demonius wrote: Dude, I am, and always WILL be all for this. The training and all. Also...BUMP! So speaks the great General of the Apocalypse !! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
neolutumus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 33	Posted - 2014.04.08 14:40:00 - [200] - Quote agent caron wrote: I agree, but private matches should also be able to be aranged. The creator of the match would chose alliance, corp, private, public, ect. Kinda like the squad finder, The trainer, or something. Check my signature. And my second (third?) reply Give DUST514 some direction.

Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 854	Posted - 2014.04.08 15:09:00 - [201] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: That is the idea. No gain or loss. Simply a way to train players in all aspects of the game. Currently, and this is particularly difficult for new players, the only way to learn the ropes is Pub battles. Go into training, learn/teach, leave training, play real battles, test what you've learned, then back for more training. This would be a good idea even for the oldest and best of the Corps. COD is -----> that way LogiGod earns his pips
The-Errorist 637	Posted - 2014.04.08 20:44:00 - [202] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: FraggerMike wrote: That is the idea. No gain or loss. Simply a way to train players in all aspects of the game. Currently, and this is particularly difficult for new players, the only way to learn the ropes is Pub battles. Go into training, learn/teach, leave training, play real battles, test what you've learned, then back for more training. This would be a good idea even for the oldest and best of the Corps. COD is -----> that way This has nothing to do with COD.
mordiby G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 55	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:13:00 - [203] - Quote Bumping, still no CCP interaction, come on... Director of G.R.A.V.E *NBK* The Leppy
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 213	Posted - 2014.04.17 12:54:00 - [204] - Quote Still keeping it alive. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 213	Posted - 2014.04.21 14:15:00 - [205] - Quote *Is there anbody out there?* Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 215	Posted - 2014.04.25 12:19:00 - [206] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 34	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:14:00 - [207] - Quote Not sure if i already agreed but i'll say it anyway, a training ground situation is really needed. A great idea.
Gaurdian Satyr Glitched Connection 203	Posted - 2014.04.25 14:39:00 - [208] - Quote I had a idea like this before No reward No stat change You do loss stuff though so you will be forced to go public eventually I called it private match But there are the assholes that go Quote: NEW EDEN HAS NO SECRET PLACE! YOU SHOULD BE INVADED BY OTHERS BLAH BLAH ***** BITCH BLAH so basically anything like this will never happen cause of these guys ^ -holds arms in O- throw it in the story basket bro
Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.04.25 15:41:00 - [209] - Quote Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free.
Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.04.25 15:45:00 - [210] - Quote You could even have carpooling training squads. For example, a vet with a super awesome dropship, (unlike mine,) could offer to teach a squad of prospective ADS pilots, and divide the cost between them.

mordiby G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 78	Posted - 2014.04.25 18:31:00 - [211] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Logi cake here!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 226	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:19:00 - [212] - Quote Still trying. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 227	Posted - 2014.05.12 14:28:00 - [213] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 31	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:22:00 - [214] - Quote I love this idea- I need to train my corps members to different tactics- I also would use it to relearn and be skillful with different weapons- I use 1 weapon/dropsuit then I want to change and I start to suck again- perfect to help out
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 230	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:17:00 - [215] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I love this idea- I need to train my corps members to different tactics- I also would use it to relearn and be skillful with different weapons- I use 1 weapon/dropsuit then I want to change and I start to suck again- perfect to help out It would be, if we ever get it. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 633	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:22:00 - [216] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: they should allow players to go onto their corp owned districts were they can call in whatever they want to practise defending their property total agree with this. would give newer pc corps the chance to practice deployment on thier turf the turf they will have to defend.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 01:05:00 - [217] - Quote Is this what we've been waiting for??? http://youtu.be/ewa6FL6ajGQ Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:46:00 - [218] - Quote What about "VR Training" in game? Similar to your local matches on CoD with everything accessible. Those that actually want to improve will you their gear, but you will still have people cluelessly running gear they dont have. All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:48:00 - [219] - Quote Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 12:50:00 - [220] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it The idea is to not loose anything, including isk, for training purposes. That would stop a lot of people. Why spend the isk in a "training battle", get nothing in return when they could do that in a pub match and earn isk/wp/sp while doing so? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:13:00 - [221] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it The idea is to not loose anything, including isk, for training purposes. That would stop a lot of people. Why spend the isk in a "training battle", get nothing in return when they could do that in a pub match and earn isk/wp/sp while doing so? The point is, that VR training rooms are something which could very quickly become the single most abused mechanic in the game. I would love to get %100 free stuff, but it would be bad for the game and not in line with the sandbox concept of 'Everything you use, you had to buy or build, and if you die everything you had on is lost.' SgtMajSquish, in answer to your question, yes. Each 'unique' fit that you wish to use must be purchased, and once purchased, you may deploy as many as you want for no additional cost.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:19:00 - [222] - Quote ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.05.21 02:35:00 - [223] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. An adaptation certainty, but I don't think it was watered down. I really think that I built on your idea your idea.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 910	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:02:00 - [224] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: FraggerMike wrote: That is the idea. No gain or loss. Simply a way to train players in all aspects of the game. Currently, and this is particularly difficult for new players, the only way to learn the ropes is Pub battles. Go into training, learn/teach, leave training, play real battles, test what you've learned, then back for more training. This would be a good idea even for the oldest and best of the Corps. COD is -----> that way This has nothing to do with COD. You are absolutely right, nothing to do with COD but it sure sounds like some of this is a regurgitation of the COD games, perhaps a more unique approach could be taken. There a many ways to test weapons, equipment and vehicles out other than being a vanilla flavor. For instance, Eve has several training missions that could be easily replicated on the battlefield through all lines of gear and equipment. Another way would be to allow access to owned districts to free roam, explore and experiment. Other people have suggested a firing range for both vehicles and weapons and equipment giving a user models to test their gear on and how effective they are. My personal belief in the Training area is that you should be able to adjust the "difficulty of target" similar to the way you would for the DOA franchise arena fighting games, setting moves and gear according to what you want to test against. This would be a firing range/arena situation where you already know what the computer is going to do because you told it to do it and this means you can then practice moves such as melee attacks, cloaking, running and firing and also healing by adjusting the dummy's health bar and how they interact with the user. There should also be an option to add more bots to the training room, so one could be your buddy that you are repping, one could fire on your buddy bot and one could fire on you. This is more ideal for a training room than anything else I have seen in here, covering multiple scenarios and being mostly content created by the user. "What will we train today?" Additionally it could be useful to allow squads and teams to deploy together to the firing range allowing them to replay battles recorded by users to gain added insight to why they won or lost, letting them fly (non-combat) through the fight beginning to end in replay mode to better understand their opponents. I think this covers things that would be useful for everyone, educational as well. For instance if buddy bot 1 with 450 armor and 200 shield HP cannot stand up under the fire of a ballacs ar whilst being repped with a six kin triage repair tool while you are taking fire but you can manage to pick him up with a wyrkomi needle before you die to enemy bot 2 in location X on Y map then he is able to pick you up with his Kin 12 Needle and carry on, then you have ways to test and adjust your fits and your squads fits to suit situation where the best solution is not readily available. Doing this without cost can be beneficial to the entire community as it removes the need to grind massive amounts of isk, instead allowing squads and teams to plan tactically what to do in any given situation. Can we have an ETA on Legion please, don't want to buy a computer till I know what I need to run this
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:38:00 - [225] - Quote Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: FraggerMike wrote: ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. An adaptation certainty, but I don't think it was watered down. I really think that I built on your idea your idea. Ah, yes, lots of good alternative training scenarios presented here. Any or most sound quite plausible, if not preferred. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:30:00 - [226] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:51:00 - [227] - Quote That can be quite good for corps to test tactics. Also for individual players to test new fits without loosing ISK. Sometimes I have crazy ideas of fitting my dropsuits and when I lose 2-3 I quit. With this mode I can continuw testing until I am convinced.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 416	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:15:00 - [228] - Quote low genius wrote: FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way i would like something like this too, but ccp won't let it happen. they want you to cut your teeth in a live game. eve is the same way, there's no 'training mode'. the solution is to let corps who own territory use their maps when they're not being attacked to fight eachother. stuff will get lost, and clones will die, but it's what we need. there is the test server in eve. :p Support Balancing scouts
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 233	Posted - 2014.06.06 17:15:00 - [229] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 483	Posted - 2014.06.06 18:37:00 - [230] - Quote Maybe battles could be "spawed" in around 4 times per day, at set times, for every corporation, under special contracts. Or set up a training district somewhere on the star map , that corps could attack on their own accord. And it randomly pairs two full teams vs one another. (the district could be attacked an unlimited amount of times per day, never lose clone counts, and could sustain multiple battles at once, and unable to be flipped) We could even have to launch clone packs to do this (But no clones are lost, so they would be refunded after the battle?) . Another option for this, so we could still have 32 man corp team practice, would be to enable a corp to launch an attack on their corp HQ location. :p Have each battle last a set amount of time, 30min-1hour? with no winner/loser, just stats. And no sp, isk, profit of any sort other than knowledge, to be made. Support Balancing scouts

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 28	Posted - 2014.06.06 21:47:00 - [231] - Quote im all for training mode no SP, no WP, no isk, no gear loss upon death. use current maps can be set to godmode, combat FF-Off or combatFF-on can be set to OPEN, squad, corp, alliance or invite only can be set to 0, 1, 3, 5 cap points time limit can be set at any number from 5 minutes to 1 hour in raising increments of 1 minute to give more flexibility at the end it will show the usual battle report. if we get this is could be the birth of competitive matches for our viewing pleasure and perhaps leagues. 2 divisions, With vehicles, With-out vehicles 4v4 6v6 8v8 (2x4 on each side) 12v12 (2x6 on each side) *16v16 (3x4 on each team) suit type costs x amount of points per type/meta (scout, Logi, Sent, assault, commando.....) and vehicles will cost a lot of points. Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 234	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:56:00 - [232] - Quote 10 months, to this day, and still... absolutely no response. We need a way to properly train !! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2561	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:57:00 - [233] - Quote The logic in this thread is very low.................... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.06.11 09:41:00 - [234] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: The logic in this thread is very low.................... Illogical statement. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.06.16 09:51:00 - [235] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Kurai Ronin Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:53:00 - [236] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way Hey can you make it so that people in this game mode can use any STD version of any weapon, suit, module or tank and make it free so you can test items before buying them?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 239	Posted - 2014.06.21 21:36:00 - [237] - Quote ^^^ The idea is to use anything at all as a ways to know what you want as well as squad/team training. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 239	Posted - 2014.06.24 16:29:00 - [238] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 240	Posted - 2014.06.30 12:09:00 - [239] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 868	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:01:00 - [240] - Quote bump for funsies Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.

THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1019	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:53:00 - [241] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: Suggestion: Take your original idea, no sp , no isk , no actual loss. BUT you can only use basic gear, nothing advanced or proto.. No. The idea is to get used to the gear you'd use competitively, not peasant crap. Amarrica! Destiny Beta SoonGäó
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 243	Posted - 2014.07.10 15:21:00 - [242] - Quote Bump... for the new Dusters...if there are any :) Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 244	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:30:00 - [243] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:37:00 - [244] - Quote I would love for this to be in game! My only concern is that it ends up being more fun than any other game mode, and the community becomes split, killing the game even faster.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 244	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:40:00 - [245] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: I would love for this to be in game! My only concern is that it ends up being more fun than any other game mode, and the community becomes split, killing the game even faster. Perhaps not. I would like at least a range for target practice. However, if we were to train in full battle as I originally described, for me it would get boring, and not making isk or sp would kinda put a damper on the "fun" part. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Terram Nenokal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 358	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:42:00 - [246] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: Terram Nenokal wrote: I would love for this to be in game! My only concern is that it ends up being more fun than any other game mode, and the community becomes split, killing the game even faster. Perhaps not. I would like at least a range for target practice. However, if we were to train in full battle as I originally described, for me it would get boring, and not making isk or sp would kinda put a damper on the "fun" part. Maybe if it was limited to 6v6 and corp/alliance only with a small map? That would make it unique enough to not be a proper replacement for the "real" game modes. Hell, just bring back corp battles already.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 244	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:59:00 - [247] - Quote Terram Nenokal wrote: FraggerMike wrote: Terram Nenokal wrote: I would love for this to be in game! My only concern is that it ends up being more fun than any other game mode, and the community becomes split, killing the game even faster. Perhaps not. I would like at least a range for target practice. However, if we were to train in full battle as I originally described, for me it would get boring, and not making isk or sp would kinda put a damper on the "fun" part. Maybe if it was limited to 6v6 and corp/alliance only with a small map? That would make it unique enough to not be a proper replacement for the "real" game modes. Hell, just bring back corp battles already. I could deal with that. At least it would be something to start with. And I don't think CB will ever return. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 245	Posted - 2014.08.08 17:19:00 - [248] - Quote Still looking. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 509	Posted - 2014.08.08 17:31:00 - [249] - Quote two years since this thread started and no blue tag lol?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 246	Posted - 2014.08.08 17:32:00 - [250] - Quote Yea, I know... never surrender !! Woulda' thought at least some statement, comment, etc... Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E



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