DUST Search - Training

FraggerMike wrote:

SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote:

Bragoltur Valaruina wrote:

Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too.
So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match.
Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free.

I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it

The idea is to not loose anything, including isk, for training purposes. That would stop a lot of people. Why spend the isk in a "training battle", get nothing in return when they could do that in a pub match and earn isk/wp/sp while doing so?

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mordiby G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 78	Posted - 2014.04.25 18:31:00 - [211] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Logi cake here!
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 226	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:19:00 - [212] - Quote Still trying. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 227	Posted - 2014.05.12 14:28:00 - [213] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 31	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:22:00 - [214] - Quote I love this idea- I need to train my corps members to different tactics- I also would use it to relearn and be skillful with different weapons- I use 1 weapon/dropsuit then I want to change and I start to suck again- perfect to help out
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 230	Posted - 2014.05.19 13:17:00 - [215] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I love this idea- I need to train my corps members to different tactics- I also would use it to relearn and be skillful with different weapons- I use 1 weapon/dropsuit then I want to change and I start to suck again- perfect to help out It would be, if we ever get it. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 633	Posted - 2014.05.19 17:22:00 - [216] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: they should allow players to go onto their corp owned districts were they can call in whatever they want to practise defending their property total agree with this. would give newer pc corps the chance to practice deployment on thier turf the turf they will have to defend.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 01:05:00 - [217] - Quote Is this what we've been waiting for??? http://youtu.be/ewa6FL6ajGQ Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:46:00 - [218] - Quote What about "VR Training" in game? Similar to your local matches on CoD with everything accessible. Those that actually want to improve will you their gear, but you will still have people cluelessly running gear they dont have. All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 177	Posted - 2014.05.20 06:48:00 - [219] - Quote Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it All empires fall. We'll be watching, we'll be waiting. And our patience has born great fruits.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 12:50:00 - [220] - Quote SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it The idea is to not loose anything, including isk, for training purposes. That would stop a lot of people. Why spend the isk in a "training battle", get nothing in return when they could do that in a pub match and earn isk/wp/sp while doing so? Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E

Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:13:00 - [221] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SgtMajSquish MLBJ wrote: Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: Ok, here's an idea. What if when you join a VR match, the spawn screen changes so that all fits except fully BPO'd suits start as invalid. If you want to use a non BPO suit, you must make it valid by paying the full cost of the fitting, and then recieve unlimited spawns. This would go for vehicles too. So if I save my pennys and scrounge together 1.5 mil 'spare' isk, I could spend the next four or so matches practicing flying my Incubus much more aggressively, but with the instant loss of ~380k at the beginning of each match. Basically, this would prevent it from becoming a place for people to infinitely joyride expensive gear just because it's free. I like how much more in depth this is. So if im understanding correctly, for every 'unique' fit, you would have to pay for it The idea is to not loose anything, including isk, for training purposes. That would stop a lot of people. Why spend the isk in a "training battle", get nothing in return when they could do that in a pub match and earn isk/wp/sp while doing so? The point is, that VR training rooms are something which could very quickly become the single most abused mechanic in the game. I would love to get %100 free stuff, but it would be bad for the game and not in line with the sandbox concept of 'Everything you use, you had to buy or build, and if you die everything you had on is lost.' SgtMajSquish, in answer to your question, yes. Each 'unique' fit that you wish to use must be purchased, and once purchased, you may deploy as many as you want for no additional cost.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.20 15:19:00 - [222] - Quote ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Bragoltur Valaruina Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.05.21 02:35:00 - [223] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. An adaptation certainty, but I don't think it was watered down. I really think that I built on your idea your idea.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 910	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:02:00 - [224] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: FraggerMike wrote: That is the idea. No gain or loss. Simply a way to train players in all aspects of the game. Currently, and this is particularly difficult for new players, the only way to learn the ropes is Pub battles. Go into training, learn/teach, leave training, play real battles, test what you've learned, then back for more training. This would be a good idea even for the oldest and best of the Corps. COD is -----> that way This has nothing to do with COD. You are absolutely right, nothing to do with COD but it sure sounds like some of this is a regurgitation of the COD games, perhaps a more unique approach could be taken. There a many ways to test weapons, equipment and vehicles out other than being a vanilla flavor. For instance, Eve has several training missions that could be easily replicated on the battlefield through all lines of gear and equipment. Another way would be to allow access to owned districts to free roam, explore and experiment. Other people have suggested a firing range for both vehicles and weapons and equipment giving a user models to test their gear on and how effective they are. My personal belief in the Training area is that you should be able to adjust the "difficulty of target" similar to the way you would for the DOA franchise arena fighting games, setting moves and gear according to what you want to test against. This would be a firing range/arena situation where you already know what the computer is going to do because you told it to do it and this means you can then practice moves such as melee attacks, cloaking, running and firing and also healing by adjusting the dummy's health bar and how they interact with the user. There should also be an option to add more bots to the training room, so one could be your buddy that you are repping, one could fire on your buddy bot and one could fire on you. This is more ideal for a training room than anything else I have seen in here, covering multiple scenarios and being mostly content created by the user. "What will we train today?" Additionally it could be useful to allow squads and teams to deploy together to the firing range allowing them to replay battles recorded by users to gain added insight to why they won or lost, letting them fly (non-combat) through the fight beginning to end in replay mode to better understand their opponents. I think this covers things that would be useful for everyone, educational as well. For instance if buddy bot 1 with 450 armor and 200 shield HP cannot stand up under the fire of a ballacs ar whilst being repped with a six kin triage repair tool while you are taking fire but you can manage to pick him up with a wyrkomi needle before you die to enemy bot 2 in location X on Y map then he is able to pick you up with his Kin 12 Needle and carry on, then you have ways to test and adjust your fits and your squads fits to suit situation where the best solution is not readily available. Doing this without cost can be beneficial to the entire community as it removes the need to grind massive amounts of isk, instead allowing squads and teams to plan tactically what to do in any given situation. Can we have an ETA on Legion please, don't want to buy a computer till I know what I need to run this
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:38:00 - [225] - Quote Bragoltur Valaruina wrote: FraggerMike wrote: ^^ Still amounts to just a very watered-down version of the original idea. An adaptation certainty, but I don't think it was watered down. I really think that I built on your idea your idea. Ah, yes, lots of good alternative training scenarios presented here. Any or most sound quite plausible, if not preferred. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 232	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:30:00 - [226] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Cardio Therapy Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:51:00 - [227] - Quote That can be quite good for corps to test tactics. Also for individual players to test new fits without loosing ISK. Sometimes I have crazy ideas of fitting my dropsuits and when I lose 2-3 I quit. With this mode I can continuw testing until I am convinced.
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 416	Posted - 2014.05.27 18:15:00 - [228] - Quote low genius wrote: FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way i would like something like this too, but ccp won't let it happen. they want you to cut your teeth in a live game. eve is the same way, there's no 'training mode'. the solution is to let corps who own territory use their maps when they're not being attacked to fight eachother. stuff will get lost, and clones will die, but it's what we need. there is the test server in eve. :p Support Balancing scouts
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 233	Posted - 2014.06.06 17:15:00 - [229] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 483	Posted - 2014.06.06 18:37:00 - [230] - Quote Maybe battles could be "spawed" in around 4 times per day, at set times, for every corporation, under special contracts. Or set up a training district somewhere on the star map , that corps could attack on their own accord. And it randomly pairs two full teams vs one another. (the district could be attacked an unlimited amount of times per day, never lose clone counts, and could sustain multiple battles at once, and unable to be flipped) We could even have to launch clone packs to do this (But no clones are lost, so they would be refunded after the battle?) . Another option for this, so we could still have 32 man corp team practice, would be to enable a corp to launch an attack on their corp HQ location. :p Have each battle last a set amount of time, 30min-1hour? with no winner/loser, just stats. And no sp, isk, profit of any sort other than knowledge, to be made. Support Balancing scouts

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 28	Posted - 2014.06.06 21:47:00 - [231] - Quote im all for training mode no SP, no WP, no isk, no gear loss upon death. use current maps can be set to godmode, combat FF-Off or combatFF-on can be set to OPEN, squad, corp, alliance or invite only can be set to 0, 1, 3, 5 cap points time limit can be set at any number from 5 minutes to 1 hour in raising increments of 1 minute to give more flexibility at the end it will show the usual battle report. if we get this is could be the birth of competitive matches for our viewing pleasure and perhaps leagues. 2 divisions, With vehicles, With-out vehicles 4v4 6v6 8v8 (2x4 on each side) 12v12 (2x6 on each side) *16v16 (3x4 on each team) suit type costs x amount of points per type/meta (scout, Logi, Sent, assault, commando.....) and vehicles will cost a lot of points. Nanite Injectors! Nanite Injectors Everywhere! Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 234	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:56:00 - [232] - Quote 10 months, to this day, and still... absolutely no response. We need a way to properly train !! Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2561	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:57:00 - [233] - Quote The logic in this thread is very low.................... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.06.11 09:41:00 - [234] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: The logic in this thread is very low.................... Illogical statement. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.06.16 09:51:00 - [235] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Kurai Ronin Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:53:00 - [236] - Quote FraggerMike wrote: SUGGESTION I think it would be a good idea, anyway: Training Mode - Players can go battle each other for purpose of training only. No ISK, SP or WP earned or spent. No clones, equipment or weapons lost when fragged Simply just a training ground to teach and learn in. Either use existing maps (preferred), or a special map(s) for the purpose. Possibly only Corp members, but would be better if could bring non-Corp members as well. I welcome thoughts, suggestions, comments on this idea. Also, before I get spammed, please disregard this suggestion if it has already been posted. I looked, but did not find anything similar, if there is, please point me that way Hey can you make it so that people in this game mode can use any STD version of any weapon, suit, module or tank and make it free so you can test items before buying them?
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 239	Posted - 2014.06.21 21:36:00 - [237] - Quote ^^^ The idea is to use anything at all as a ways to know what you want as well as squad/team training. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 239	Posted - 2014.06.24 16:29:00 - [238] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 240	Posted - 2014.06.30 12:09:00 - [239] - Quote Bump Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 868	Posted - 2014.07.01 18:01:00 - [240] - Quote bump for funsies Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.



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