On what grounds are you basing that??? I have a gallente logi suit that doesn't run much faster then him, and my EHP is 550. I regularly go 25-2 and sometimes even better! With the shield and armor skills maxed out this suit would have 312 shields and 312 armor adding up to 624 total EHP (assuming the skills round down). That is without any shield extenders or armor plates AND you get to have TWO weapons, not to mention a nanohive......

So lets max out the possible tank this suit coulllld have! With two complex shield extenders and one complex armor plate this suit would have..... 457 shields, and 438 armor adding up to 896.5 EHP........ That's a pretty good tank for a suit that supposedly doesn't have one..... And all he would have to do is make sure a logi is backing him up! otherwise he would have to put a complex armor repper on, which still nets him about 750 EHP.

Now..... after you factor all of that in, you have to consider the fact that the suit can hold TWO light weapons. Imagine the possibilities! One AR with one SR, or maybe an SR with a shotgun, or an AR/SR + a Swarm launcher. Your utility role would increase tenfold in a squad!

I honestly didn't take into account skills getting the HP up to 624. It's not bad when you break it out.

I stand corrected BASH AWAY.

Good job on the breakdown.

Not only that, but if they run in groups, one of them could have a nanhove while the others have injectors and repair tools. We don't even know yet if the new armor modules will be lowslots, but if they aren't, completely armor fitting these guys with triage in the group will be really crazy.

There will be teams that are still working on the other dropsuits, don't worry. However, they aren't coming out in the immediate point releases that the dev blog is talking about.

Did any one else read that they would be releasing the other Racial Variants of the Commando in the upcoming patches? Does that mean the Rapid Fire updates?
So unless I'm completely misunderstanding this, all the Commandos will be added before the Sentinels.

It will help make the most out of the few modules it does have.




Also 500 base hp is hardly weak.

The heavy Commando dropsuit is less durable than the Sentinel but is faster and more agile, allowing you to better engage and disengage from firefights. ItGÇÖs also currently the only heavy frame to feature an equipment slot. But this flexibility comes at the price of losing a grenade slot and sporting very few module slots (none at the Standard tier, in fact).

Two ARs on one suit: we finally have a LMG!

So unless I'm completely misunderstanding this, all the Commandos will be added before the Sentinels.

lol the weapon switch acts like the barrel cooldown?

How about we get the rest of the drop suits online first before we add new types? Stop leaving things 1/2 done this isn't Eve Online.

Hardly, but if you want cooldown, how about two scrambler rifles, that's 150 rounds in one go Oh wait, by the time you've emptied the second one, the first one will probably have cooled down already. Never mind.

with no mods to work with it squishy (militia heavies start at 1000 ehp base [with skills] and arent exactly a force to be reckoned with) especially on heavy's hit box and speed. we cant jump and run around like a light or medium frame. So our tank doubly suffers.



1. .3 isnt that much of an increase for losing almost 400 ehp without the ability to equip mods (1012 ehp base on Sentinel STD vs 625 with commando STD and 1590 sentinel proto and 921 commando proto/ [witn complex ] 849 with ferroscale those curious)

2. When you add that loss of a heavy weapon slot in with the rest of those "prices" doesnt seem quite as fair.


STD commando breakdown vs Sentnel
(assuming tanked sentinel with skills)
additions:
.3 km/h speed
upgraded sidearm slot (not two light weapons because heavys slots can fit light weapons)
equipment slot


losses:
694 ehp (more if new plates equipped instead of complex to save speed "boost")
3 module slots
heavy weapons slot
race bonus because no modules
grenade slot
14 PG
68 CPU

no change:
heavy's large hitbox
turn speed (as far as the dev blog describes no increase here [agility could very well just describe running])

Proto Commando vs Sentinel breakdown
(assuming same as before)

additions:
.3 km/h speed
upgraded sidearm slot
equipment slot
3% reload speed per level (sentinel has reload too)
10% module efficiency (used in ehp math so lolz at this)

losses:
893 ehp
heavy weapons slot
grenade slot
2 module slots
10 PG
46 CPU

no change:
heavy's large hitbox
turn speed (as far as the dev blog describes no increase here [agility could very well just describe running])


Take a second and look, the cons do not outweigh the benefits. its not as if you can use both light weapons at once. Plus you have to switch weapons which takes time so mid firefight would be a kitten anyways (not that they have the tank to be in a firefight). This is not a good suit it either needs significantly more speed, more modules, or a heavy weapons slot instead of one of the lights (which you could still use 2 lights if you felt like anyways). This suit will flop and it saddens me because i wanted more heavy content and got it...

@ladwar thanks for the appreciation. also thanks for pointing out my typo

should read: "benefits do not outweigh the cons"

I wish they gave that bonus to the amarr assault...

Just to let you guys know, CCP Remnant is a developer in Shanghai and this blog was put out at roughly... oh... 1:30 AM there. So he'd be in bed.

He will be able to check and respond to your feedback when he gets into the office.

i think if you weigh it against assaults it will come out just fine(minus a nade slot for a light weapon over a sidearm) if the speed is good enough, its clearly not meant to replace the heavy sents. class for eHP but it will top logis and assaults. And without having a heavy weapon slot it really shouldn't be compared against heavies.

People don't seem to be getting the idea of weapons vs. module slots tradeoff. Seems like you guys want it to be just as good as the med frames but with two weapons. Me thinks you havent fully contemplated the possibilities

It should be better than medium frames in everything but speed/agility its a heavy suit. As it stands it will be outperformed by everything but a suit using sniper/swarm/plasma cannon

But it has to outpreformed but those suits or otherwise it wouldnt be balanced. You cant keep your tacos and eat them as well. Trading power for versatility is the intended design of the suit