It will help make the most out of the few modules it does have.




Also 500 base hp is hardly weak.

The heavy Commando dropsuit is less durable than the Sentinel but is faster and more agile, allowing you to better engage and disengage from firefights. ItGÇÖs also currently the only heavy frame to feature an equipment slot. But this flexibility comes at the price of losing a grenade slot and sporting very few module slots (none at the Standard tier, in fact).

Two ARs on one suit: we finally have a LMG!

Hardly, but if you want cooldown, how about two scrambler rifles, that's 150 rounds in one go Oh wait, by the time you've emptied the second one, the first one will probably have cooled down already. Never mind.

i think if you weigh it against assaults it will come out just fine(minus a nade slot for a light weapon over a sidearm) if the speed is good enough, its clearly not meant to replace the heavy sents. class for eHP but it will top logis and assaults. And without having a heavy weapon slot it really shouldn't be compared against heavies.

People don't seem to be getting the idea of weapons vs. module slots tradeoff. Seems like you guys want it to be just as good as the med frames but with two weapons. Me thinks you havent fully contemplated the possibilities

But it has to outpreformed but those suits or otherwise it wouldnt be balanced. You cant keep your tacos and eat them as well. Trading power for versatility is the intended design of the suit

I swear I never heard anyone ask for a new drop suit role ...

Um... the only way your STD Sentinel has an extra 694 ehp is if you already used up your 3 module slots and the extra pg/cpu. You can't count it multiple times.

And if you think the bonus on the STD Commando is useless, just wait till you see the one on the Sentinel...

Commando: sidearm->light, equipment, 10% faster
Sentinel: light->heavy, grenade, ~310 ehp, 1 high, 2 low

I could see the Commando getting a 100-200 more EHP, but I'd rather they make new stuff UP than OP and slowly buff it.

I'm going to go with what everyone else seems to be thinking, which is that 395 is a typo and it's mean to be 3.95.

490 shields and 469 armor with twi complex shield extenders and a complex armorplate...


Yeah, the survivability is not lacking at all and considering it can almost move as fast as a Logistics id imagine this is going to be the new flavor ofthe month thats going to make this game justfeel pointless for the rest of us...


Count me the **** out...

For one it can out reload any suit out there, because when maxed out you get another 25% of reload speed on top of what your weapon skills provide. That makes a few more bullets and a swarm more.

I like the concept. I almost think it would be a natural transition for someone like me who plays Logistics most of the time. My Minmater Logi suits reach enhanced HP numbers close to this and the speed is pretty close too I think. I really like the idea of being able to carry two Light weapons. With the equipment slot this would be a nice A/V class with Swarms and whatever other weapon suit the specific map you are on. I have not crunched the numbers but at first glance it has piqued my interest.

Of course I will definitely wait until all racial variants are available before I make a firm decision. This type of suit might not get a lot of players excited but I am glad CCP's intent is to offer a lot of different options. That is never a bad thing. Keep 'em coming!

The Commando suits looks nice. Equip with an AR and a scrambler rifle, this is deadly.

I for one will appreciate if they are starting the new role at a point where it's definitely underpowered so it won't disturb the current balance, and then tuning it up over time. I've worked on many projects and I know that you don't roll something out with the assumption that it's perfectly tuned. With a game I think it's better to err on the safe side, especially since the people jumping into this suit early on will likely be veterans with maxed out support skills. You don't want something to come out and ruin whatever ecosystem is already there when it's a lot more powerful than it looks on paper. With these specs, the suit can be more powerful than it is on paper and still be slightly underpowered.

Even in EVE's tenth year they've done a massive ship rebalancing, so clearly these guys are familiar with the inevitability that this isn't the final state (if there ever is a "final state").

A lot of your comparison is valid, but the Sentinel gets a bonus to heavy weapon reload speed. Not light weapons/all weapons. Just heavy. So the current Commando still has a 25% bonus over your SR/SMG combo Sentinel.

if they are keeping the nade slot they could atleast let one of the light slots be a heavy slot so the big guy could equip one of his only 2 guns, that would be fair with how weak he is, taking the heavy slot too is just too much

Agreed and it only takes amarr heavy three for all the light weapon users to get into with weapons they are already skilled into. Heavies have to skill 2 weapons plus those two weapons support skills completely ignoring the million or two invested to heavy weapons... seems fair

Edit (will return with math showing the disparity)

2nd edit: also adding the heavy weapon slot wouldn't affect those wanting to use 2x light weapons because you scan fit light weps in heavy slots.

what self respecting assault player, or the overpopular LOGI-ASSAULT guys would drop all of those high and low power slots for a second primary weapon... the assault troopers are generally pretty compotent with SMGs when they HAVE to roll AV, and the logi-bros are probably not rolling out with swarms on their expensive logi suits with no sidearm... not to mention its 500base hp, + a tops of 250? for full tank mods(116? plate, 66 shield x2) so estimated 750 before skills, for a total somewhere in the ballpark of 937 hp, for the same or lower DPS of ANY OTHER CLASS... EVERYONE can fit light weapons... why would you want two unless you cant live without your duvolle assault rifle AND your proto swarms(which i doubt you can fit dual proto with ANY tank)...

Someone may have caught this already, but the module efficiency skill bonus combined with Standard having no module slots means that Standard-tier Commandos will not be able to use their racial bonus.
Gear not able to use its own racial bonuses is rather high up on my pet-peeve list, as a gear item in such a position will inevitably be left behind by its peers due to the strengths of said bonuses.