Really upset and my spelling/grammar is bad anyway so just heads up

Edit:not saying to kill assault just to improve the other classes

Ok want to start off by saying I love dust it's concept and what it can become ccp has my faith that they can make this the best game of our generation but there's something to be addressed:the blatant favoritism of all things that could be considered an 'assault' suit and/or weapon while other classes get the backhand I'm literally watching the game I love's degeneration into something far from what it use to be, and no where near what it was ment to be.

The ar/sr are devastating on the field and not many weapons of the same teir can oppose them,you've made the av granades more useful then some av giving assault players a way to quickly dispatch hostile vehicles ON THEIR OWN, you've taken equipment slots from everything but the logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself and being a medium suit it was only too easy for them to spec into.

Mass driver

Hmg

Scouts

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Heavys

Lr

Tanks

Snipers

Missiles

All these things and more have taken the shaft because of constant complaint from assault players the mass driver's splash damage, the hmg's effectiveness to the point that hmgs can be outgunned by damn near everything , scout's speed/shield tanking ability and cpu,remote explosives and proxi mines took a hit to overall effectiveness with proxi mines taking the biggest hit being inferior to the av granade and flux for anti tank purposes ,the heavy suit was completely boned over in health/slots reducing the damage they could take,the Lr is bloody useless, tanks have been nerffed to hell,snipers have problems in taking out suits of their class without damage mods, missiles were made to be nearly useless against infantry unless used by a dropship, I can go on and on.

I realize that most of your players are assault but I'm begging you this blatant favoritism NEEDS to stop fix the mass drivers, fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods, fix the hmg, fix the tanks,the scout, the heavy, the demolition, fix it all I'm begging you give us a fighting chance I don't want to have to go assault/logi just to compete!

You have other players ccp! and they are feeling neglected by the overwhelming presence of assault and the further punishment to all that don't run as one, this is my last time calling out to you ccp I just don't know what to do I know this thread's going to be filled with trolls but someone needs to say SOMETHING so I'm here begging you because there is nothing that I havn't tried and at this point I fear there is nothing else I can.

Please ccp and my fellow dusters if there was ever a time to come together this is it! Please let's band together, speak up, and stop this before it's too late!

Just please I don't know what more to do

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

Actually, it's because most dumbass AR assaults don't know how to counter something (well, besides the viziam LR, and devs confirmed the stats were a fluke)
I've learned just by watching most people play why they think everything but the AR is OP-

1. Enemy team has major tactical advantage and is using it to put their weapons to optimal use
2. Pack of blue AR assaults charge in with no use of caution, and get slaughtered
3. Instead of finding a better approach, the pack of blue AR assaults does the same thing again
4. and again
5. and again

Actually, it's because most dumbass AR assaults don't know how to counter something (well, besides the viziam LR, and devs confirmed the stats were a fluke)
I've learned just by watching most people play why they think everything but the AR is OP-

1. Enemy team has major tactical advantage and is using it to put their weapons to optimal use
2. Pack of blue AR assaults charge in with no use of caution, and get slaughtered
3. Instead of finding a better approach, the pack of blue AR assaults does the same thing again
4. and again
5. and again

This post is for some who either A:misunderstood me or B:are ignoring this part of the thread intentionally

As I said in my post :I'm not trying to kill the assault class nor the assault weapons I just want the other classes/weapons to have the strength to fight back and do as they were ment to do not be struck down to appease the many

Agreed I want to see more, and possibly spec into Scouts (the Amarr Scout) and see more heavies in the field, however IMO its not down to the weapons needing buffs its the lack of variance in the heavy weapon types, and for scouts the long range weapons.

logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself

it takes three standard AV nades to blow up the free militia LAV, thats all the grenades you will have on hand and if you use them on a tank you wont even dent the shield, if someone has specced into grenades far enough for the good ones they damn well better be effective

Really upset and my spelling/grammar is bad anyway so just heads up

Edit:not saying to kill assault just to improve the other classes

Ok want to start off by saying I love dust it's concept and what it can become ccp has my faith that they can make this the best game of our generation but there's something to be addressed:the blatant favoritism of all things that could be considered an 'assault' suit and/or weapon while other classes get the backhand I'm literally watching the game I love's degeneration into something far from what it use to be, and no where near what it was ment to be.

The ar/sr are devastating on the field and not many weapons of the same teir can oppose them,you've made the av granades more useful then some av giving assault players a way to quickly dispatch hostile vehicles ON THEIR OWN, you've taken equipment slots from everything but the logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself and being a medium suit it was only too easy for them to spec into.

Mass driver

Hmg

Scouts

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Heavys

Lr

Tanks

Snipers

Missiles

All these things and more have taken the shaft because of constant complaint from assault players the mass driver's splash damage, the hmg's effectiveness to the point that hmgs can be outgunned by damn near everything , scout's speed/shield tanking ability and cpu,remote explosives and proxi mines took a hit to overall effectiveness with proxi mines taking the biggest hit being inferior to the av granade and flux for anti tank purposes ,the heavy suit was completely boned over in health/slots reducing the damage they could take,the Lr is bloody useless, tanks have been nerffed to hell,snipers have problems in taking out suits of their class without damage mods, missiles were made to be nearly useless against infantry unless used by a dropship, I can go on and on.

I realize that most of your players are assault but I'm begging you this blatant favoritism NEEDS to stop fix the mass drivers, fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods, fix the hmg, fix the tanks,the scout, the heavy, the demolition, fix it all I'm begging you give us a fighting chance I don't want to have to go assault/logi just to compete!

You have other players ccp! and they are feeling neglected by the overwhelming presence of assault and the further punishment to all that don't run as one, this is my last time calling out to you ccp I just don't know what to do I know this thread's going to be filled with trolls but someone needs to say SOMETHING so I'm here begging you because there is nothing that I havn't tried and at this point I fear there is nothing else I can.

Please ccp and my fellow dusters if there was ever a time to come together this is it! Please let's band together, speak up, and stop this before it's too late!

Just please I don't know what more to do

LMAO once they nerf logis everyone will switch back to assaults and people will claims that assaults are OP because thats what every one is using and its out killing other classes. The simple fact is 1 flux grenade against a cal logi leaves them with 112 armor and thats if they have the armor core skill at level 5 and if they have armor plates they are an easier target because they're slower. If you see a bunch of proto cal logis why not switch to a dropsuit with flux grenades instead of crying on the forums for a nerf of a dropsuit with a GLARING WEAKNESS.

I agree with you Sinboto, I want to see variety[, counters, new map structures for a full on war simulation.

The assault team is to push forward. Every other role is to support or deterr this highly effective role.
thanks.

If you played chromosome you'd have noticed a pretty level playing field where you where as likely too see an assault rifle as you where a shotgun or a Laser Rifle i the kill feed. Now every game has the assault rifle on the kill feed three or four times in a row before other weapons appear. gek -> duvole -> shotgun -> insert tank turret here -> fused pay to win grenade -> gek -> gek-> duvolle. Anyways I wish I had a video recording hardware to just make a kill feed video.

Damn I've seen guys with militia assault rifles kill heavies. I also see a heavy and when I expect an HMG there is a duvolle or gek in their hands because it deals better damage and has more range.

Balance is needed back to how chromosome had it where everyone had their part to play, no matter the weapon, no matter the suit.

Didn't expect one of my own to be this stupid.........

I've not asked for anything to be nerffed dropsuit or otherwise which means you didn't actually read the thread which I didn't expect from you at all carlos I'm rather ashamed that a stb member would post something so foolish, in another stb member's thread no less, and I'm disgusted by your actions so expect to be hearing from me.

Your post is foolish, childish, filled with stupidity, and quite frankly disgusting troll somewhere else fool.

LMAO once they nerf logis everyone will switch back to assaults and people will claims that assaults are OP because thats what every one is using and its out killing other classes. The simple fact is 1 flux grenade against a cal logi leaves them with 112 armor and thats if they have the armor core skill at level 5 and if they have armor plates they are an easier target because they're slower. If you see a bunch of proto cal logis why not switch to a dropsuit with flux grenades instead of crying on the forums for a nerf of a dropsuit with a GLARING WEAKNESS.

Yeah but what class isn't severely hurt with fluxes? Armor tankers but they suffer from the weakness you mentioned by being slow and therefore an easier target. I agree assualts need a different racial the reload seems pretty useless but so do heavies less feedback damage? The worst IHMO at least assualts get the faster regen. Also assualt caldari will only have 150 armor with 6% more movement speed not to big of a difference if we're talking base stats.

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

So very true.

One time, I was repping blueberries on the bottom of a set of stairs. You could clearly see that everyone that goes even halfway up the stairs is getting shot up, so they usually don't make it to the top before they die.
Blueberries just kept going up once after the other. None made it past the top step, but I got some triage/guardian WP

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

STFU with noob tubes!! All these thing need actual skill and not just moving a dot over a head. The only weapon that needs no skill is the -here it comes- ASSAULT RIFLE.

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

Lol my bad sinboto I meant to post that in this thread, I had several tabs open and clicked reply on the wrong one and its not a troll post its my honest opinion. And also I won't be hearing from you, I've been in STB for years and feel free to ask QG or the horsemen who would be a bigger loss to STB myself or you. Luckily I have no interest in ever leaving STB and I'm sorry you feel ashamed at a member but get off your high horse.

Hmm so just a misunderstanding? Fair enough I'd like to apologize for my earlier post as I did post that in anger I was wrong to do so.

However the second part of your post is a contradiction, you speak of getting off my high horse when you arrogantly boast about your 'position' truly confusing that.

I don't know if you think I fear you but I assure you I do not I respect you as I do all my brothers however there is a difference between respecting someone and taking it up the ass.

You will be hearing from me very soon have no doubts about that my friend.

But, but, Assaults NEED to be able to do ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING BETTER THAN EVERYTHING ELSE.

Isn't that called Customization with No Restrictions?

/sarcasm

Well it was still a great post Sinboto Simmons about why the Caldari Logi is neither overpowered nor does it deserve a nerf as it is functioning within the assault logi parameters that CCP described its design to excel in. No need for a nerf is a good thing. I wish you were not so pessimistic about its chances to survive the nerf hammer.

You mean like being able to run through a storm of enemy bullets, blow up a tank then hack an objective all before the logi and heavy gaurding an objective can turn around, oh but they should already be dead because he is an assault.
//more sarcasm

Really upset and my spelling/grammar is bad anyway so just heads up

Edit:not saying to kill assault just to improve the other classes

Ok want to start off by saying I love dust it's concept and what it can become ccp has my faith that they can make this the best game of our generation but there's something to be addressed:the blatant favoritism of all things that could be considered an 'assault' suit and/or weapon while other classes get the backhand I'm literally watching the game I love's degeneration into something far from what it use to be, and no where near what it was ment to be.

The ar/sr are devastating on the field and not many weapons of the same teir can oppose them,you've made the av granades more useful then some av giving assault players a way to quickly dispatch hostile vehicles ON THEIR OWN, you've taken equipment slots from everything but the logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself and being a medium suit it was only too easy for them to spec into.

Mass driver

Hmg

Scouts

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Heavys

Lr

Tanks

Snipers

Missiles

All these things and more have taken the shaft because of constant complaint from assault players the mass driver's splash damage, the hmg's effectiveness to the point that hmgs can be outgunned by damn near everything , scout's speed/shield tanking ability and cpu,remote explosives and proxi mines took a hit to overall effectiveness with proxi mines taking the biggest hit being inferior to the av granade and flux for anti tank purposes ,the heavy suit was completely boned over in health/slots reducing the damage they could take,the Lr is bloody useless, tanks have been nerffed to hell,snipers have problems in taking out suits of their class without damage mods, missiles were made to be nearly useless against infantry unless used by a dropship, I can go on and on.

I realize that most of your players are assault but I'm begging you this blatant favoritism NEEDS to stop fix the mass drivers, fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods, fix the hmg, fix the tanks,the scout, the heavy, the demolition, fix it all I'm begging you give us a fighting chance I don't want to have to go assault/logi just to compete!

You have other players ccp! and they are feeling neglected by the overwhelming presence of assault and the further punishment to all that don't run as one, this is my last time calling out to you ccp I just don't know what to do I know this thread's going to be filled with trolls but someone needs to say SOMETHING so I'm here begging you because there is nothing that I havn't tried and at this point I fear there is nothing else I can.

Please ccp and my fellow dusters if there was ever a time to come together this is it! Please let's band together, speak up, and stop this before it's too late!

Just please I don't know what more to do

Don't think I Have EVER seen a Killfeed for a Proxi Bomb

Following a lemming is not an effective way to win a battle, but some covering MD fire might have gotten them up the steps.

There is some validity to what you are saying but it has nothing to do with the meduim frame in general being overpowered. The other weapons and roles that you have cited are specialist gear, and as a result are very situational.

Heavies are point defense machines, and combine them with a logi and you have a mean pair. The heavies I run with are routinely near the top of the leader boards.

Snipers are just fine as they stand. If anything they could deal with a bit more recoil. A corp-mate just went 41 and 0 sniping without camping in the red-line or the MCC. That doesn't sound like its broken to me.

AV nades are fine. LAV's are what is OP in this equation.

Tanks do just fine as well but they are not independent killing machines, they need to be used with a squad to support them.

Mines are just fine as well. They were abused as a rapid attack weapon by scouts and now still perfectly useful for their intended purpose setting traps and killing vehicles.

Scouts, once again not lacking in their intended purpose. They are sneaky as all get out, and do a great job of getting behind the enemy. Plus they are actually shootable in this build which is a great improvement over their unkillable E3 state.

Here is what you have said that I do agree with. The laser rifle and missile launchers need some love. Currently the lr isn't useable because of the glow it produces (I believe I read a dev post that said they are looking into this) and missiles got nerfed to heavily thanks to dropships spamming them. They should have their blast raduis back but with a much reduced set of damage figures.

If your really having so many issues maybe you need to really slow down and think about what the suit you're using is intended to do. Scouts are not for frontal assaults and heavies aren't either. Use the dropsuit the way it is intended to be used and you'll be much more successful. Working with competent squads makes a huge difference here too. Squad up and get goood.

I think the focus should not be on balancing all the groups, but allowing them to excel in their area of expertise. Currently, I think the effort is to balance everything, and instead it's hurting the snipers and heavies. Snipers deal more damage than assault, yet assault has the Duvolle Tactical with crazy range, and faster damage output than the sniper rifle... Not to mentions tons more damage output before a reload. Heavy classes can take tons of damage, yet the range they have means that anyone faster than them, read ANYONE, can just walk backwards until the hmg is doing tiny amounts of damage. Then point and shoot because the heavy is helpless.

Sniper Pro's:
Long Range
High Damage
Very Fast
Hard to Detect
Tactical View (best squad leaders)

Sniper Con's:
Can't survive up close (until they get good nova knives...)
Barely gets any WP even though cover fire and key kills can completely change a battle
Limited by map layout


Assault Pro's: (only class I don't actually have playtime experience other than militia, going by what I see)
Multiple equipment slots with some dropsuits
High damage output
Good range, Duvolle can counter-snipe in many situations
Good defence
Mix of kills, nanohives, drop uplinks leads to faster WP gains

Assault Con's:
Leading the charge puts you in the high danger zone
Quick reflexes mean more than skill in many situations
Taxi drivers chase groups of you

Heavy Pro's: (My preferred playstyle)
Very high defence
Fast damage output
Cover fire kings

Heavy Con's:
Slow (I'll elaborate)
No equipment
Extremely expensive
Very reliant on others
No range
Big target
Priority target
Top tier hmg are worse than lower tier versions

It's hurting more than just them, it is hurting all roles aside from the AR Assaults. Homogenization of the roles will kill any hope of seeing anything other than ARs slapped onto whatever suit you want. Customization is a good thing, though not if it leads to homogenization which will only cause the creation of "cookie cutter fits" that you'll need to use if you want to be able to "compete".

There needs to be some form of guidelines or restrictions in place otherwise the cookie cutter fits will be the end result. I know that I don't relish the idea of cookie cutter fits, IDK if any of you do or not, though I'm going to assume that we all would like some variety rather than everyone running around in the same thing.

I've been seeing a slow rise in Heavy/AR fits.

Lots of good statements here.

I would add that the Flaylock is a ridiculous weapon.

While I have respect for MD users because it takes significant skill to use, I cannot endorse a weapon (flaylock) that fires explosive projectile ammunition in a straight line.

I see to many people dual wielding these, without any skill. They simply skill up (+5% Blast Radius?) and shoot at people's feet!

This is the only noob tube imho.

The ammo for this should be changed into a steel bolt with very high damage.

My simple proposal to fix shotgunsflaylock pistols:

GÇó Reduce projectiles per shot to one
GÇó Lower projectile damage to 34
GÇó Increase ROF to 750
GÇó Reduce bullet spread and increase range to compensate
GÇó Increase magazine side to 60 bullets

See? Now it's balanced!

Oh look, its another thread blaming assault players for everything
I guess you dont realized most of the "Waaaaaah this needs to be nerfed" crying comes from players that spec into a niche role and then wonder why they cant do a little bit of everything
Oh and it takes three standard AV nades to blow up the free militia LAV, thats all the grenades you will have on hand and if you use them on a tank you wont even dent the shield, if someone has specced into grenades far enough for the good ones they damn well better be effective

I dislike the sterotype of us assult users


And as a AR user, i can tell you, im gutted all the other classes got nerfed to the point hardly anyone one use's them, i play skirm, on the frontline capping objectives all day long, and i miss the whineing sound of hmg and fear of bumping into him as i get around the corner, and i miss getting my face melted by lazer (i think i can honestly say i've only seen 2 lazer users this build =/) an i also miss running away like a little girl from the MD

Dust has some pretty cool weapons, and it sucks to see them all sat on shelf not being used

weapons were fine how they were, and at the end of the day, Its WAR, deal with it

Really upset and my spelling/grammar is bad anyway so just heads up

Edit:not saying to kill assault just to improve the other classes

Ok want to start off by saying I love dust it's concept and what it can become ccp has my faith that they can make this the best game of our generation but there's something to be addressed:the blatant favoritism of all things that could be considered an 'assault' suit and/or weapon while other classes get the backhand I'm literally watching the game I love's degeneration into something far from what it use to be, and no where near what it was ment to be.

The ar/sr are devastating on the field and not many weapons of the same teir can oppose them,you've made the av granades more useful then some av giving assault players a way to quickly dispatch hostile vehicles ON THEIR OWN, you've taken equipment slots from everything but the logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself and being a medium suit it was only too easy for them to spec into.

Mass driver

Hmg

Scouts

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Heavys

Lr

Tanks

Snipers

Missiles

All these things and more have taken the shaft because of constant complaint from assault players the mass driver's splash damage, the hmg's effectiveness to the point that hmgs can be outgunned by damn near everything , scout's speed/shield tanking ability and cpu,remote explosives and proxi mines took a hit to overall effectiveness with proxi mines taking the biggest hit being inferior to the av granade and flux for anti tank purposes ,the heavy suit was completely boned over in health/slots reducing the damage they could take,the Lr is bloody useless, tanks have been nerffed to hell,snipers have problems in taking out suits of their class without damage mods, missiles were made to be nearly useless against infantry unless used by a dropship, I can go on and on.

I realize that most of your players are assault but I'm begging you this blatant favoritism NEEDS to stop fix the mass drivers, fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods, fix the hmg, fix the tanks,the scout, the heavy, the demolition, fix it all I'm begging you give us a fighting chance I don't want to have to go assault/logi just to compete!

You have other players ccp! and they are feeling neglected by the overwhelming presence of assault and the further punishment to all that don't run as one, this is my last time calling out to you ccp I just don't know what to do I know this thread's going to be filled with trolls but someone needs to say SOMETHING so I'm here begging you because there is nothing that I havn't tried and at this point I fear there is nothing else I can.

Please ccp and my fellow dusters if there was ever a time to come together this is it! Please let's band together, speak up, and stop this before it's too late!

Just please I don't know what more to do

its sad that AR users complain that we are trying to get our weapons to be just as good as an AR.

its true our weapons are specialty weapons, but thats the point, ARs are better than specialty weapons in their area of expertise.


save the sniper rifle, an AR can pretty much do every other specialty weapons job better.

especially the "point defense" of a heavy, i've seen some assault suits with damn near the same ehp as a heavy and all you need is a gek to out dps even the boundless hmg. lol

now the only thing for you to worry about is someone with a better AR...lol or a Scrambler rifle if your caldari

it sorta takes the fun out of being assault when everyone is just another assault, and the only thing being shot at you are other assault rifles

now the only thing for you to worry about is someone with a better AR...lol or a Scrambler rifle if your caldari

it sorta takes the fun out of being assault when everyone is just another assault, and the only thing being shot at you are other assault rifles

So aiming at someone's feet is skill... huh and all this time I thought being able to strafe while maintaining my aim on my target who is also strafing and jumping and shooting explosives at my feet was skill.

Time to rethink my entire concept of skilled FPS gameplay.

Moral of the story and to sum up most all threads in this forum: If they die they cry.

Assault rifles are the most general use weapon, as the name suggests. It stands to reason that it will be the most common weapon. A lot of people keep asking for "more realistic battlefield scenarios". If you take a look a realistic battle statistics what weapon do you thing will top the list by a huge margin? I kind of doubt it would be grenade launchers or heavy machine guns. These people are upset because their specialization cannot outperform EVERYTHING ELSE. Bottom line, they want THEIR class boosted so they can do just that. As long as there is anything in the game able to kill them, they will come on here and complain about it.

This excludes the tactical assault rifles with possible modded controllers - those are ridiculous and something needs to be done about those. As for the rest, although I get killed by them a lot I don't consider them overpowered. They are just the most commonly used.

Following a lemming is not an effective way to win a battle, but some covering MD fire might have gotten them up the steps.

ARs are better than specialty weapons in their area of expertise.


save the sniper rifle, an AR can pretty much do every other specialty weapons job better.

Yup, we all need a buff.
A duvolle can snipe me! kill me faster! not right.
This is a pity how they have the game now.

I'll fix this:
'' tired of the overwhelming Logi in dust 514''


more like it now...

I do agree on the buffs OP pointed out.

Lol thanks although the post is less about the suit snd more bout the playstyle and the favoritism it gets

I'll take my ranting elsewhere then XD

cant agree with you more. WEAPON BALANCE IS A MUST! the Duvolle AR is the golden work horse. HMG's should have more dmg up close and a sharp dmg drop off at medium range and more bullet spread to compensate. Mass driver dmg should be nerfed and more blast radius but less ROF. Laser rifles need a DMG buff when the ray has been shot fer more than 3.5 sec continuously making it exel at longer ranges. Cant make 1 gun exel at all types of situations

hahah i apreciate the humor, and the MD is a area denying weapon....i think its purpose is not to kill but control an area and breach buildings soo high dmg must b traded for more blast radius

I guess this is where we differ in opinion :P to make an entire weapon class incapable of killing anything just seems off to me ya know personally I think lowering the damage and rof of a mass driver would make it ineffective in it's role,despite the splash radius increase, as it is now proto users just walk towards you as you fire at them due to low splash damage I want to see the mass driver as a : "Holy Balls It's a MD GTFO" kinda weapon made to made to totally deny access to certain areas and clear large groups.

Just my opinion though

i apreciate the concisive argument and i guess you are right that the enemy cud just advance torwards you due to your lack of firepower but i think the mass driver should be a support weapon able to be arched across and killing maybe wounded enemies and denying access to key locations. with a good fireteam im sure u can steal a few kills but yes you do sacrifice fear factor with less dmg

i think weve reached a compromise then, now hope CCP sees it :D

cant agree with you more. WEAPON BALANCE IS A MUST! the Duvolle AR is the golden work horse. HMG's should have more dmg up close and a sharp dmg drop off at medium range and more bullet spread to compensate. Mass driver dmg should be nerfed and more blast radius but less ROF. Laser rifles need a DMG buff when the ray has been shot fer more than 3.5 sec continuously making it exel at longer ranges. Cant make 1 gun exel at all types of situations

Welcome to AR 514, where investing into anything else ends up becoming a waste

Umm..If I see this thread again I'm going to read every post and respond and bring players that are skilled with those weapons to facilitate your thread being fact driven and responsibly approached.

part of the problem is that what many people perceive as balance breaks functionality for specialist weapons. This is because everyone who doesn't use the specialist weapon wants it balanced to their general purpose weapon, which makes the specialist weapon next to useless once it's unique functionality get's chopped.

Either that or they QQ because they were killed by something that they either think shouldn't be able to kill, or shouldn't be able to hit them at all.

*crickets* hello?! *crickets*

Thats because most of these weapons are/were "noob tubes" very high power for very little skill.

Wonder how many pages this has to hit before we hear anything.

I've actually been told by CCP Frame that several of my threads have been tagged and will be discussed,while there's no response to the thread I'll take what I can get.

Really upset and my spelling/grammar is bad anyway so just heads up

Edit:not saying to kill assault just to improve the other classes

Ok want to start off by saying I love dust it's concept and what it can become ccp has my faith that they can make this the best game of our generation but there's something to be addressed:the blatant favoritism of all things that could be considered an 'assault' suit and/or weapon while other classes get the backhand I'm literally watching the game I love's degeneration into something far from what it use to be, and no where near what it was ment to be.

The ar/sr are devastating on the field and not many weapons of the same teir can oppose them,you've made the av granades more useful then some av giving assault players a way to quickly dispatch hostile vehicles ON THEIR OWN, you've taken equipment slots from everything but the logi which is for all intentions an assault suit itself and being a medium suit it was only too easy for them to spec into.

Mass driver

Hmg

Scouts

Remote explosives

Proximity mines

Heavys

Lr

Tanks

Snipers

Missiles

All these things and more have taken the shaft because of constant complaint from assault players the mass driver's splash damage, the hmg's effectiveness to the point that hmgs can be outgunned by damn near everything , scout's speed/shield tanking ability and cpu,remote explosives and proxi mines took a hit to overall effectiveness with proxi mines taking the biggest hit being inferior to the av granade and flux for anti tank purposes ,the heavy suit was completely boned over in health/slots reducing the damage they could take,the Lr is bloody useless, tanks have been nerffed to hell,snipers have problems in taking out suits of their class without damage mods, missiles were made to be nearly useless against infantry unless used by a dropship, I can go on and on.

I realize that most of your players are assault but I'm begging you this blatant favoritism NEEDS to stop fix the mass drivers, fix the snipers,take out the infantry damage mods, fix the hmg, fix the tanks,the scout, the heavy, the demolition, fix it all I'm begging you give us a fighting chance I don't want to have to go assault/logi just to compete!

You have other players ccp! and they are feeling neglected by the overwhelming presence of assault and the further punishment to all that don't run as one, this is my last time calling out to you ccp I just don't know what to do I know this thread's going to be filled with trolls but someone needs to say SOMETHING so I'm here begging you because there is nothing that I havn't tried and at this point I fear there is nothing else I can.

Please ccp and my fellow dusters if there was ever a time to come together this is it! Please let's band together, speak up, and stop this before it's too late!

Just please I don't know what more to do

Apparently, CCP's philosophy is go AR or go home.

Seemingly, regardless I'll continue to attempt to get things balanced

that free unfitted lav could not withstand 2 av grenades in quick succession they would die be a single crb7...


the reason they surive most of that stuff is simple...speed.....



now the logi lav that thing can tank stuff...


but the freee lav is realy weak...

This post is for some who either A:misunderstood me or B:are ignoring this part of the thread intentionally

As I said in my post :I'm not trying to kill the assault class nor the assault weapons I just want the other classes/weapons to have the strength to fight back and do as they were ment to do not be struck down to appease the many

I've actually been told by CCP Frame that several of my threads have been tagged and will be discussed,while there's no response to the thread I'll take what I can get.

that free unfitted lav could not withstand 2 av grenades in quick succession they would die be a single crb7...


the reason they surive most of that stuff is simple...speed.....



now the logi lav that thing can tank stuff...


but the freee lav is realy weak...

Actually, it's because most dumbass AR assaults don't know how to counter something (well, besides the viziam LR, and devs confirmed the stats were a fluke)
I've learned just by watching most people play why they think everything but the AR is OP-

1. Enemy team has major tactical advantage and is using it to put their weapons to optimal use
2. Pack of blue AR assaults charge in with no use of caution, and get slaughtered
3. Instead of finding a better approach, the pack of blue AR assaults does the same thing again
4. and again
5. and again

Weapon balance should look like this

Specific weapons->Allrounder

What people don't understand is that a specific weapon has to be OP in it's specific role.

Look at the LR:
The LR ONLY(!!) does nice dmg on its optimal range, the LR is simply not usable besides it's optimal range. Theres nothing in between theres only 1 and 0, so it needs to burn thorugh everything on optimal range, like the viziam used to do.

And thats the poitn about specific weapons. They have 1 job where they need to be awesome at, while other weapons like the AR should do average 0.5 in every situation. That's the idea behind this game, and I don't get why people dont get it.....

It's a crapload worse now that the OP bullet hose is godlike due to the aimbot.

Hail king AR. Hail AR 514.