There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"

You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.

Lots of good ideas. I welcome any further interaction, as it is now its tenuous. Anything substantial would make it seem connected. Who plays dust and feels like they are connected to EVE at this point?

Kain:

One battle every 24 hours per district doesn't, even on paper, sound like engaging futuristic warfare. How would you strengthen the eve dust link by altering this feature in particular

I'm curious at how much interaction folks are willing to have between Eve and Dust.

This is really how I saw things going: http://youtu.be/45mlVuLs_Nw?t=36s

My main take away isn't the betrayal at the end, but the gameplay interaction between Eve and Dust.

FIrst off the Eve player wants control of the ground side of a Space Elevator so he PAYS Dusters to get the job done. In this scenario the Eve player seems to be the end owner. Dusters want the money, but also interaction with Eve through support in the battle. It seems to me a place for Eve could very well be the guys controlling a commander type mode in a battle: setting orders, objectives, calling in local and orbital support, providing tactical information to the ground troops etc.

I think we've come to a point where need to make Eve matter to Dust and Dust matter to Eve in a real and tangible way. It's one of the things that makes Dust unique. I really feel that Molden Heath could serve as the place to be bold with growing the connection. How would you all feel about Eve players owning the stuff you are fighting for in addition to Dust ownership as well? What about Eve players not only providing OBs, but having the option of taking on the role of a Field Commander?

Years away and will probably never come.

When can we get new council members? This one is obviously of no use and only wants to talk about pie in the sky BS that does nothing to fix this broken game now.

i would also like there to be a way for EVE players to earn orbitals and look at our map and pick where they want to throw it.

This would be absolutely awesome. More variations of orbitals are sorely needed, with different mechanics attached to each. Cruisers and above should definitely be able to pick where the hell they want to fire, even if its more spread out.

And decoupling the Tactical Starship strikes from WP needs to happen very soon. It annoyed me in closed beta when the FW/Corp battles used the system we have now (with only 8 guys fighting on the ground on top of that). Make it a timer, and make it based off of how many and how long friendly ships have been parked near the beacon in orbit.

The FPS side of Dust and the core gameplay is by far the most important, but I haven't lost my faith or hope in the idea this game put forward. I feel the the Core is absolutely critical and the #1 priority before everything else.

That said, I don't think we should take our eye of the ball in making sure once the Core is where it needs to be and Dust is a FUN fps first and foremost that the game has a larger purpose and drive that in all honestly the FPS world really lacks.

Absolutely not. Do not expand the EVE-Dust link until the core issues with DUST have been fixed. There's no point in developing more links if the game itself is in trouble.

Absolutely not. Do not expand the EVE-Dust link until the core issues with DUST have been fixed. There's no point in developing more links if the game itself is in trouble.

The FPS side of Dust and the core gameplay is by far the most important, but I haven't lost my faith or hope in the idea this game put forward. I feel the the Core is absolutely critical and the #1 priority before everything else.

That said, I don't think we should take our eye of the ball in making sure once the Core is where it needs to be and Dust is a FUN fps first and foremost that the game has a larger purpose and drive that in all honestly the FPS world really lacks.

In answer to Kains question the Eve/Dust link is the one thing that has the potential to separate Dust 514 from its competition. The current systems such as PC are failing at providing any real feel for this link. In short, I believe that fleshing out the Dust/Eve link has to be one of the very top priorities for the team moving forward. It is the one ace in the hole they have that no competition can currently offer.

Then what you think is dead wrong. The community has spoken and CPP has listened and we ended up with a piece of **** with an SP/leveling system and evaporating bullets and only 5k players at peak hours on the only FTP FPS on the PS3.

Let me repeat that last part:

5K ON THE ONLY FTP FPS ON THE PS3!!!!

Seriously 5k out of the 10s of millions of PS3 owners....millions of which have even down loaded the game.

The game is bleeding to death and your visioning is to blame.

Stop this crap. Just stop.

The number one problem with this game is new player retention.

Tinkering with PC and the EvE/Dust connection that involves not one new player ever is not doing **** to fix it.

Step down already and take the rest of the council with you when you do it.

If eve players could provide map scans for us or use ECM to mess with the people on the ground this would be a nice way for eve players to help without being too overkill.

If eve players could provide map scans for us or use ECM to mess with the people on the ground this would be a nice way for eve players to help without being too overkill.

I'm curious at how much interaction folks are willing to have between Eve and Dust.

This is really how I saw things going: http://youtu.be/45mlVuLs_Nw?t=36s

My main take away isn't the betrayal at the end, but the gameplay interaction between Eve and Dust.

FIrst off the Eve player wants control of the ground side of a Space Elevator so he PAYS Dusters to get the job done. In this scenario the Eve player seems to be the end owner. Dusters want the money, but also interaction with Eve through support in the battle. It seems to me a place for Eve could very well be the guys controlling a commander type mode in a battle: setting orders, objectives, calling in local and orbital support, providing tactical information to the ground troops etc.

I think we've come to a point where need to make Eve matter to Dust and Dust matter to Eve in a real and tangible way. It's one of the things that makes Dust unique. I really feel that Molden Heath could serve as the place to be bold with growing the connection. How would you all feel about Eve players owning the stuff you are fighting for in addition to Dust ownership as well? What about Eve players not only providing OBs, but having the option of taking on the role of a Field Commander?

Field commander are you joking, right?

Most of EVE player base can't hold a gun and you want them to command a battle? Maybe more of a intel role.

Field commander are you joking, right?

Most of EVE player base can't hold a gun and you want them to command a battle? Maybe more of a intel role.

Reposting an idea I posted a while ago.

For a while now the warbarge map table in PC matches, or any matches for that matter, is blank.
What I propose is that an EVE player who is in the same corp/alliance as a Dust corp, can scan the district in EVE that is about to be fought over. After this is done the Dust corp gets a 3D snapshot for the map table while they are preparing in the Warbarge for the current PC match.
This can make EVE players a helpful asset, like a U2 spy plane, and prove them to be more than someone who is just an off map support bomber.

Dude... Have you thought that new players might want to be a part of something bigger, as promised, but also poorly delivered?

When CCP fixes the current technical gun play issues, people still will leave the game when the newest generic shooter comes out because there's nothing unique keeping them in Dust. The EVE link IS what will keep them here. People pick BF or CoD because they like tactical v arcade style shooter mechanics, but both are casual. There are those out there (like myself) that want depth and the knowledge that they are connected to a bigger world, man.

I'm really quite serious. In the end I see that as a role that could be potentially filled by a Duster or an Eve Pilot. If you were to dig into the numbers regarding the Eve Online player base I think you find a large propensity for strategy and RTS games that could have skills that would translate into a field commander role.

Does that mean every Eve play would make a good FC in Dust? Absolutely not, but you can give an Eve player the tools (including intel gathering tools) and let the social interaction between the Dusters and Eve pilots decide whose in charge on the field of battle.

I see your point, But as long as duster take the same role.

I also see the info that you get on the ground is different to the info you get from a birds eye view. it just felt like you're trying to give the power to the eve players.

We should own the elevator/POCO and tax the usage of Eve players(based on standings which are set by the Dust Corp [i.e +5 = no tax +2.5= 2% tax, -5=10% tax]). If Dust dies easily reset to how POCOs work now, if EVE dies well its just an income we dont get anymore. i would like to see more match interaction, but i dont think EVE playes should be the sole commanders. It would make more sense that whoever posts a contract is the commander (individual or CEO/directors of Corps both EVE and Dust). i would also like there to be a way for EVE players to earn orbitals and look at our map and pick where they want to throw it. Maybe based on killing enemy FW ships either player or NPC that spawn at a district under attack.

It's not of matter of trying to give the Eve players the power over Dusters (I'm very keen on many of these roles being hybrids), but leveraging Eve players to make our gameplay experience as Dusters better and to give more depth to battlefield. I want these kinds of things to be a choice. You shouldn't be FORCED to use an Eve pilot, but it should be incentivized in a way that naturally draws Dusters and Eve players into interacting.

Create the mechanics, tools, and incentives, but leave it to the players to decide how and if they use them.

I have been here for over 2 months. Nothing about PC looks even remotely compelling and even if it did i have another 2 months to go before i have enough SP to be competitive in it.

It only takes one week of getting face stomped by high SP players in the pub grind for a new player to quit.

This is what the community wanted and what the council wanted and what CCP delivered. IT HAS FAILED!

Time to give up on this community directed development crap. Committees cannot make good games. Dust has proven that in spades.

CCP already has something the competition does not have. It has a free FPS on the PS3....and it has taken that monstrous advantage and epically squandered it.

Note: Your visioning, even if it is ever delivered, is lackluster at best. you are not a talented game designer.

a) You are not a good writer. You are not a good programer,

b) This is not my main argument but seriously shut the **** up.

c) Your fantasy game is not even something anyone would want to play.

CCP did not appoint you to design a game. What the hell qualifies you by talent experience or merit that you should have any say in how the game should be designed? CCP has (had) millions of dollars....your only advise to CCP should be spend it on talented game designers.

... but leveraging Eve players to make our gameplay experience as Dusters better and to give more depth to battlefield....

Create the mechanics, tools, and incentives, but leave it to the players to decide how and if they use them.

EvE gets around this by being in essence a PvE game. EvE has very little real PvP in it and is essentially a gathering and crafting game.

Incorporating being able to speak to them over voice comms will bring these two games together immensely. I feel one of the biggest problems right now is the lack of a "community" when you log in. There's tens of thousands of people in spaceships in New Eden at any one time. As of right now, it's like they're not even there. There needs to be a better way to find be able to talk to those doing the PEW PEW in space.

It would rad to be able to find out who you're supporting in space at any given time when playing FW.

To me Dust is an FPS shooter set in the New Eden universe. It is not and shouldn't be an Eve FPS. It's a small distinction, but a very important one.

You can actually pull Eve players into and use voice communications in any player created channel.

Then what you think is dead wrong. The community has spoken and CPP has listened and we ended up with a piece of **** with an SP/leveling system and evaporating bullets and only 5k players at peak hours on the only FTP FPS on the PS3.

Let me repeat that last part:

5K ON THE ONLY FTP FPS ON THE PS3!!!!

Seriously 5k out of the 10s of millions of PS3 owners....millions of which have even down loaded the game.

The game is bleeding to death and your visioning is to blame.

Stop this crap. Just stop.

The number one problem with this game is new player retention.

Tinkering with PC and the EvE/Dust connection that involves not one new player ever is not doing **** to fix it.

Step down already and take the rest of the council with you when you do it.

Once again, 75% of all statistics are made up. True fact. Stop the hyperbole if you'd like to be taken seriously

Of course he made **** up he's a troll. But I don't need statistics to know that player retention is an issue. I'd like to see statistics, but I'd rather just see an improvement to the academy system.

Then what you think is dead wrong. The community has spoken and CPP has listened and we ended up with a piece of **** with an SP/leveling system and evaporating bullets and only 5k players at peak hours on the only FTP FPS on the PS3.

Let me repeat that last part:

5K ON THE ONLY FTP FPS ON THE PS3!!!!

Seriously 5k out of the 10s of millions of PS3 owners....millions of which have even down loaded the game.

The game is bleeding to death and your visioning is to blame.

Stop this crap. Just stop.

The number one problem with this game is new player retention.

Tinkering with PC and the EvE/Dust connection that involves not one new player ever is not doing **** to fix it.

Step down already and take the rest of the council with you when you do it.

EvE has very little real PvP in it and is essentially a gathering and crafting game.

Whoa, epic post here, hooc! Can't wait for you to reveal more specific hard data to back up your astounding facts...like:

'millions of which have even downloaded the game' -- so, only 5,000 players are participating in DUST out of the millions who have downloaded -- HUGE insight, hooc. Please list your data source and clarify the number of PS3 downloads please. 2,000,000 or 3,000,000? Exactly how many downloads are you tracking?

Wait, what? You made that up? Ok

'The number one problem with the game is new player retention' -- terrific! An actionable area that CCP can attack immediately because of you, hooc, sharing this invaluable insight!

Please list how many new players on a, say, weekly basis are leaving the game. Wha- made that one up too did ya?

'Tinkering with the..blah blah..involves not one new player' Get where I am going here? Do I have to ask?

Once again, 75% of all statistics are made up. True fact. Stop the hyperbole if you'd like to be taken seriously

http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust

Now don't you feel stupid.

How would you all feel about Eve players owning the stuff you are fighting for in addition to Dust ownership as well?

What about Eve players not only providing OBs, but having the option of taking on the role of a Field Commander?

One battle every 24 hours per district doesn't, even on paper, sound like engaging futuristic warfare. How would you strengthen the eve dust link by altering this feature in particular

The problem there and main reason Dust players never actually speak to Eve players is that Eve players don't generally use the ingame comms - they mostly use external tools like TeamSpeak.

On another note - I would be really interested to hear from Eve players what they want the Eve-Dust link to be like from their side. Integrated Eve-Dust forums (or even just a Dust-Eve section) with both sets of players would really help get ideas flowing.

Paradoxical Nature,

I think you are absolutely right that in the long run Dust has to provide something unique and needed in the Eve economy and industrial complex. That's where some of the issue with "Kid Gloves" really causes issues, because it needs to be something significant. Whether its a resource that's newly created or a resource that is taken from Eve and made Dust focused I don't know. If that bridge can be crossed and the games can really have their economies linked in a meaningful way that will be the key to making Eve care about Dust.

PC needs to be expanded to all of lowsec, with the ability for EVE pilots to pay for district control.

Allow EVE players to contract attacks against districts, just like Dust corps attack districts with clone packs. Except this time, the EVE players dictate how much they will PAY to get this done in addition to supplying a 150-man clone assault pack (or more). If the attackers win, they get paid 100% of the contract, maybe split to members or taxed into their corp wallet, whatever. If the defenders win, the attackers get nothing. The EVE contract-creator can specify who the contracts are open to, based on standings, of course and have final say on acceptance of the contract. If no one accepts, the contract is voided.

I'm curious at how much interaction folks are willing to have between Eve and Dust.

This is really how I saw things going: http://youtu.be/45mlVuLs_Nw?t=36s

My main take away isn't the betrayal at the end, but the gameplay interaction between Eve and Dust.

FIrst off the Eve player wants control of the ground side of a Space Elevator so he PAYS Dusters to get the job done. In this scenario the Eve player seems to be the end owner. Dusters want the money, but also interaction with Eve through support in the battle. It seems to me a place for Eve could very well be the guys controlling a commander type mode in a battle: setting orders, objectives, calling in local and orbital support, providing tactical information to the ground troops etc.

I think we've come to a point where need to make Eve matter to Dust and Dust matter to Eve in a real and tangible way. It's one of the things that makes Dust unique. I really feel that Molden Heath could serve as the place to be bold with growing the connection. How would you all feel about Eve players owning the stuff you are fighting for in addition to Dust ownership as well? What about Eve players not only providing OBs, but having the option of taking on the role of a Field Commander?

I was under the impression that the MCC's were eventually going to be controlled by EVE players anyway. And as for ownership of a district I think the line between "its owned by eve or dust players" is kind of blurry considering you can have both in the same corp.

Kain: There exists a thread on the Eve forums where Eve players are discussing this very topic. It might be of some use to you.

Eve can live without dust, but dust doesn't have eve, its just another generic shooter.

A request for a joint EVE- DUST forum to discuss interaction ideas.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=962133#post962133

Seriously, can we get some Eve voices here? Or at least someone talk to the Eve guys and report back? I take it you can't see their forums without an Eve login? We really need to know what they want too for this discussion to be at all purposeful.

Seriously, can we get some Eve voices here? Or at least someone talk to the Eve guys and report back? I take it you can't see their forums without an Eve login? We really need to know what they want too for this discussion to be at all purposeful.

Dust needs many of the things that drive Eve, manufacturing, Invention, mining etc. (why should you only be able to get tritanium from asteroids?)

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I would like to see maps and missions based around an orbital defense cannon that has the ability to take out EVE ships in the planet's complex. Perhaps EVE pilots of aligned corps or alliances could tag other ships in the complex for targeting.

Haven't thought out the details, it just sounds fun.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I would like to see maps and missions based around an orbital defense cannon that has the ability to take out EVE ships in the planet's complex. Perhaps EVE pilots of aligned corps or alliances could tag other ships in the complex for targeting.

Haven't thought out the details, it just sounds fun.

Kain:

One battle every 24 hours per district doesn't, even on paper, sound like engaging futuristic warfare. How would you strengthen the eve dust link by altering this feature in particular

The only way I can see that happening fearless is if they abandon dust on the PS3 and go all in on a PC version.

However.. linking dust as an addon to an eve subscription? hm...

...can I orbit my own battle fields (which would technically mean I'm in two places at once). Same for any persistent location things in eve. I'm sure Jove tech could solve that though.

- Industry. Immortal and expendable dust mercs moonlighting as explorers, away teams and setting up extraction operations for rare or volitile resorces that would be impossible to retrieve otherwise. I want to stress that, industry should NOT occur in warzones and should act as a sort of social activity to make isk between intense fighting. "Wanna go prospect for Polygypsum in null, the eve guys say the found some on a plasma planet?" "sure".