I was curious to know what is the role of an HMG Heavy; target practice?

The support HMG Heavies provide for their teams is minimal. When running in squads, they are often at the rear due to their slow movement speed. This leaves Heavies incapable of playing a support role because of their already distant positions and lack of range. In addition, the bullet dispersion renders the HMG useless if fired outside of its optimal range. However, even within its optimal range, the HMG is often outplayed by the speed of a Shotgun Scout, or more often, a TAR user.

After testing different approaches and strategies to become a decent HMG Heavy, I have made little progress because the class just does not fit in with the type of long range combat that is prevalent in most matches. I often find myself as the center of attention for the opposing side's gunfire and any attempts to retreat or fire back are useless.

Due to frustration, I decided to run with just my Flaylock for a few matches. I did better in these games than I did with my Boundless or Freedom. To experiment further, I dropped my proto and went into a standard fitting with a basic Forge Gun. With eight kills, three LAVs destroyed, five Blaster Installation Turrets and one Clone Reanimation Unit shot down, I have never felt so useful in my entire career of playing a Heavy.

So, my question still stands: what is the role of an HMG Heavy?

Point defense, if you want to be running gunning and leading the charge youll need to give up your health and HMG and go for a smaller weapon and an assault suit

I was curious to know what is the role of an HMG Heavy; target practice?

The support HMG Heavies provide for their teams is minimal. When running in squads, they are often at the rear due to their slow movement speed. This leaves Heavies incapable of playing a support role because of their already distant positions and lack of range. In addition, the bullet dispersion renders the HMG useless if fired outside of its optimal range. However, even within its optimal range, the HMG is often outplayed by the speed of a Shotgun Scout, or more often, a TAR user.

After testing different approaches and strategies to become a decent HMG Heavy, I have made little progress because the class just does not fit in with the type of long range combat that is prevalent in most matches. I often find myself as the center of attention for the opposing side's gunfire and any attempts to retreat or fire back are useless.

Due to frustration, I decided to run with just my Flaylock for a few matches. I did better in these games than I did with my Boundless or Freedom. To experiment further, I dropped my proto and went into a standard fitting with a basic Forge Gun. With eight kills, three LAVs destroyed, five Blaster Installation Turrets and one Clone Reanimation Unit shot down, I have never felt so useful in my entire career of playing a Heavy.

So, my question still stands: what is the role of an HMG Heavy?

Just cause trouble with your heavy. I use a few different fits and use him as an assault, rushing type. Most times if you see me behind a wall or box I am reloading or calling in an OB.

Standard Proto...2x Complex Damage Mods, 1 Complex Shield Regulator, 1 Complex Armor Repairer, 1 complex Catalyzer with Boundless for all terrain, Six Kin for close quarters and Freedom for open range and holding guys at bay. I have also been known to use a similiar fit with a Ishukone Forge Gun. Try the heavy with no armor or shields and increase your speed and mobility.

Try mixing it up a bit with a mix of Catalyzers and that stuff that allows you to sprint longer. lol..I forget the name of it..It is green.

My KDR is #@$@, but I do not worry about that. I am playing to have fun and hangout.

Good luck!

i already have some threads on the subject:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81725&find=unread

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82270&find=unread


lance 2ballzstrong has a thread as well:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73100&find=unread


mike pole a play i imagine similar to yourself had similar concerns:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=79438&find=unread



my main point with regards to the balance HMGs have to have against everything else is that balance is 2nd place to purpose. or rather, when balancing the purpose of whatever item your balancing must be considered. why?

because your approach to the balance must not make the item lose its purpose.

right now ARs out gun HMGs in just about every respect, the HMG isnt even balanced with or on par with the AR but for examples sake, lets say they were.... (HMG does less dps than a militia AR with half the accuracy and 2x the dispersion)

what is the purpose of an AR? multiple purpose weapon, jack of all trads master of none.
what is the purpose of an HMG? anti personell, supression, fire power

clearly the HMG should excel in the area of its purpose, its not supposed to be a versitle weapon, its supposed to have raw power through fire rate, dps, damage per shot, and ammo capacity.

when CCP tried to balance the HMG they made it pointless because you can do everything a HMG can do better with an AR, at 2x the range.


i recommend that the HMG gets a damage and range buff to about the same damage and range as a fully automatica AR of the same class (STD, ADV, PROTO). before you scream OP in girl shrills, remember, everything else about the HMG will remain the same, the reload, over heating, high dispersion and high recoil high damage drop off. so the standard hmg should do 31 hp per shot.

this way the HMG can proper supress the enemy. also, you must have weaponry lvl 5 and put extra points into alot of things for the HMG it must reflect the effort required to attain it.

inaddition, the heavy suit should get the following slight buffs: 15% increase in run and turning speed (still slower than eveeryone else, but fast enough to keep up with squad, and hit targets). 30%-45% resistance to small arms fire (this is in the description of the suit, and the heavy is a slow bullet sponge should be good at absorbing the bullets. this may take the form of a skill OR blanket amount per suit lvl i.e. STD HVY suit = 15%, ADV 25%, proto 45%... or a sprarte skill for heavies only for resistance to damage to shields and armor,, etc)

HMG can't do point defense because it has high dispersion, low damage, long reload
the suit has horrible scanners (can't detect another heavy on the map behind you), and turn speed is **** poor
you can't do CQC.


and think about this logical question:
"how can you defend when you can't successfully attack in the very same area?"
there is no way the HMG can excel in an area defending and in the very same area on offense do horribly.


i.e. if i attack enemies in a narrow corribor as a heavy i die, how can i defend this same corridor from attacking enemies if i can't do well in it on offense.

its illiogical.



the hmg does less damage per shot than the SMG with half as many advantages and about the same optimal range. its a joke.

that fit costs over 200,000 isk and a free blue print dragon fly suit with a toxin smg can end that as soon as it starts.

the forgun gets things done though. because CCP doesnt care about vehicles...lol

So basically you want to be able to "suppress" (kill) anything you see and only maybe possibly sometimes die to tanks who you can also forge into the ground?

no, i want to be able to keep up with the ARs that do just as much or more damage than militia tank blaster cannons. :)
(yes, if you do the calculations ARs can keep up to the dps and some of them damage per shot of a militia tank blaster cannon.

dnt BS me.

Point defense, if you want to be running gunning and leading the charge youll need to give up your health and HMG and go for a smaller weapon and an assault suit

Assaulting it means having to make through the corridor and defeat the enemies on the other side, simple enough
Defending it means repelling those attackers which is where the HMG shine, you see the defender has the advantage in terrain, they do not need to bottle neck

Seriously though, all this field and angle of fire stuff is FPS 101 stuff

, if you think a heavy can just trundle on into enemy fire

then you are playing it wrong, the HMG heavy is a moveable turret and your own skill as a player will need to carry you through its weak spots and find ways to compensate for them

Do people ever take clip size and reload speed into their calculations or is just "Sperg sperg sperg AR is OP cuz it killed me sperg sperg sperg"

Alright Im calling it now, you are just a bad player blaming your tools

ARs reload faster than most weapons in the game, without any skills put into them. about 2.5~3seconds.
full auto ARs have a clip size of 60 per clip, the militia variat can do 1860 damage per clip.

ARs without skill points in the skills have almost no recoil, making headshots too easy.
ARs never over heat (you neeed to fire more than 62 bullets without stopping to over heat, and no damage is take when it happens, recovery is less than a second)



normallt AR users spam things are OP when stuff kills them. i.e. the LAV ran me over, you could just get AV grenades which can destroy tanks, but instead they just yell OP

AR users think flaylocks are OP when really flaylocks are extremely niche and need to be used close range, (or if you stand completely still at midrange i can hit you with them). you only get 3 in a clip it only has a 2.om blast radius max and hit detection makes it so that its still a 50/50 even with proto flaylocks. gt at me

^^this is your rebuttal?

i have over 5million SP in heavy suits and HMGs. I am part of the 1armed bandits as a high ranking member. i have played against notable corps and made a name for myself. still if you want to see if im a bad player, add me as contact and play on my team, or we can get two squads, go to opposite sides of a merc battle and i can show you my skill. to be fair ill only use std heavy gear.


i dnt care whether you accept the invitation or not, but its there.

i am willing ready and capable of proving my point. the weapon is inferior. period. the suit is weak period.

Ill be in game in about 15 minutes though if you want to squad up and run a skirmish match or two

actually sounds cool. i'm on the east coast, i was checking the forums and was about to sleep, but i'd be more than happy to squad up with you tommorrow. whats a good time for you? im on the east coast so its 3.34 aM here, but at 1:00pm i can be on and squad up. how's that sound?

Legend - I still don't get why you think HMG is low DPS. L1 is your friend - learn to use it. And even then don't just stand still accepting every bullet fired at you. HMG in good hands with smart movement choices and is still dangerous - we just can't be agressive because of lack of range.

And our PC presence had diminished greatly since all our roles functions can be handled better by a scout shotgun with remote explosives. We're only good for hiding behind terrain and calling for back up or holding chokes.

MST here and 1 pm EST is too early in the day for me
How is between 8 and 9 pm MST for you?

wait is MST = EST + 2hours?

if so, then 8 - 9 pm MST is 10 - 11pm EST.

yeah, i can do that. do you want to join my squad or i join your squad a combination, etc...?

imma add you as a contact, and add me so we can squad up, and settle this matter like gentlemen.

Yeah its a two hour difference, and either squad formation is fine, if you are running with other people at the time though Ill join your squad since I usually run solo

Alright Im calling it now, you are just a bad player blaming your tools

Sadly i think you are right.

Sadly i think you are right.

[quote=Benari Kalidima]


inaddition, although this is not related to dps but mobility, any suit using an AR other than heavy, can choose to disengage at anytime, where as a heavy commited to battle must win or will die.

i laugh a little every time I see ASSAULTERS say what OTHER CLASSES are for.

Ehhm, CCP said it themselves.
HMG's are for point defense.

CCP is wrong. OR let me put it this way...

HMG's are for point defence... it just might be that the point im defending is over there... where the red dots are standing...

How are CCP wrong if this is their game and they decide what role to give to something?
Even if it isn't balanced right, CCP wants this weapon to work for point defense, whether you like it or not .

Because they are trying to restrict an entire class? I dont use my heavy as a defensive unit. If i want to charge an objective (albeit slowly) and i do it smart then i should be able to.
Just because CCP says thats what they want it to be doesnt make it right, by god im going to do the complete opposite.

I Advance on an objective lol. Im going to defend the enemies objective against them.

If CCP then completely crunch down on something so it can ONLY be used one way... well then thats detrimental against the entire game

Go assault then.
You can't have the best of both worlds, your suit is a specialized suit meaning its supposed to do one thing best but the rest it wouldn't be as effective.
Its like expecting a scout to be able to go head on against enemies and expect to survive.

Now, for my second point, who the **** are you to dictate to CCP what the heavy suit is?
They can tomorrow give it scout HP and give the HMG over 9000 damage per bullet.
Its their choice, not yours.

Now, about the rest of your post, your balance idea makes heavies the best defense/offense/everything.
You have no idea on how to balance.

I dont run and gun... i Advance lol

D think we'll have to squad up a on a weekend or somethin (UK) cos i disagree with you too lol. HMG seem in an ok place to me (still needs a little more range). Even if half the stuff your asking for comes in... well im going to start feeling bad for the red dots

Ehhm, CCP said it themselves.
HMG's are for point defense.

Point. Defense.

/thread

That's what Sentinels are for, hence the name.

Heavies will have many specializations, such as the Commando which is basically a Heavy version of the Assault suit.

The HMG was never meant to be used as an offensive weapon, at least not for quick assaults, it is meant for long sieges when employed in an offensive roll.

It was designed to be used as a defensive weapon though. Used to repel enemies trying to capture objectives and keep key map positions under your teams control.

I will agree that it needs a buff, though, it should be in the above stated manners, not a run n' gun class.

How are CCP wrong if this is their game and they decide what role to give to something?
Even if it isn't balanced right, CCP wants this weapon to work for point defense, whether you like it or not .

Heavies are a specialized role that requires support from their team in anything other than CQC.

If you think otherwise, you're running on COD syndrome. Stop doing this and think of the suits in squad tactics.

This is not a ramboing game. Stop acting like it is.

exactly, which is why i recommended that all other stats stay reltively the same.

even if the HMG had the same range as an AR the heavy suit wouldnt be able to advance fast enough to keep you within that range.


HMG is not point defense, nor is it really for offense. its a versitle weapon within the boundries of supression

i have my best sucess when using it like this although as stated earlier it needs a serious buff.

using it as supression, i can defend a point if need be, or if with my team taking an objective, i can supress enemies advancing on them. supression protects your team/squad, it defends, access points, hallways, it prevents enemies from crossing open areas, it puts ARs under pressure.

the idea is suppresion, putting large amounts of ammo in the air against enemies to stop their advance, or help your team advance/reposition. supression can be offensive or defensive depending on your teams location and objectives. but for supression to work you need to do hgh damage.


yet the slow mobility makes it difficult to attack with (therefore, it can not be used on offense even if all my suggestions were implimented).


if you think of a heavy as the infantry size version of a tank things will become clearer. tanks are great infantry supression weapons, and can help advance the frontline, BUT if a tank heads too far out infront of the squad it could easily be destroyed by AV, tanks move slow (not so slow that it can't move however), and are generally everyones target. tanks have resistances to damage.
tanks live longer when with a squad.






(of course tanks ca be used to over run positions but heavies can't and arent meant to do that. this is the biggest difference between a tank and a heavy.)

Go assault then.
You can't have the best of both worlds, your suit is a specialized suit meaning its supposed to do one thing best but the rest it wouldn't be as effective.
Its like expecting a scout to be able to go head on against enemies and expect to survive.

Now, for my second point, who the **** are you to dictate to CCP what the heavy suit is?
They can tomorrow give it scout HP and give the HMG over 9000 damage per bullet.
Its their choice, not yours.

Now, about the rest of your post, your balance idea makes heavies the best defense/offense/everything.
You have no idea on how to balance.

every assaulters description of what they think heavies are for is the description of instillations

I JUST PUT PROTO BLASTERS ON MY LOGI-LAV FEAR MY MURDER TAXI! PEW PEW.


/needs a life

but assaults and logis in fact have the best of both worlds...lol and i didnt even say i wanted the best of both, i just want to be efficeint at what im supposed to do.


think of it, assaults, and logi's can get absurdly high ehp, at the proto level achieving the same or more than a heavy while having zero, or limited speed reduction to mobility. theier turn speed is godly, and the accuracy on the AR (because 75%+ kills are all some form of AR) even with no SP in it, is godly, inadition to the high dps, absurd range, great hip fire, you can do everything with an AR, except AV, but ive been in situations where a squad of 6 with militia ARs blow up a tank just by shooting it...lol from full hp!

on top of that a fully charged scrambler rifle can one shoot most suits with only militia damage mods, (the over heating balances this out, but you get the point).

you can do point defense, offense, objectives, basically everything better with a logistics and assault suit than you can with a heavy suit. so, really dnt know what your talking about telling me that im trying to make the heavy good at everything, when your assault suit is with an AR is superior to basically every ofther infantry weapon in the game.


your idea of balance is pbvious because your solution to everything is go assault, is this AR 514? STFU, your idea of balance is:
assault suit + AR > everything else.

I can get 10102HP from a heavy suit without a single module to increase HP.. Show me an Assault or logi suit that can do that.

Caldari logi you say? Nope not really... Base HP is 180Shield 90 Armor (maybe 80, not in game now). So let's see with passive gains that's 225shield Max without modules, 112 Armor without modules. Now considering Caldari logi racial bonus you're getting about 90HP from a complex shield extender so that's about 680 shield with all 5 highs filled with extenders. Now let's pretend someone's actually silly enough to put more than one armor plate on this already slow suit...Two enhanced plate's would bring you to 388 armor with a 10% movement speed penalty and now you've just barely surpassed my Heavys HP without HP increasing modules In a fit that would arguably be absolutely terrible in most situations with an AR. Also you claim an Assault suit can rival the HP of a Heavy..really? Have you ever fit ANY assault suit?

The true worth of the heavy is to give CCP laughs since they obviously don't take the suit and HMG seriously. The other use of heavy is to let us players know that we made the huge mistake of putting our SP in the heavy and HMG when we should have clearly put all our SP in a medium suit with AR.

i dnt care what your K/D is in pub matches. my 5.6 millioin SP into heavy suits, and HMGs says other wise.

also the links are in the post.

I JUST PUT PROTO BLASTERS ON MY LOGI-LAV FEAR MY MURDER TAXI! PEW PEW.


/needs a life

I have half your total SP into HMG skills alone, maybe that's your problem. The other 8 mill into suit's, modules and Forge guns.

Really? 1.5 mill for all pertinent AR Skills eh? So proficiency isn't important? Maxing proficiency is 1.5 mill SP alone... And of course reducing bullet dispersion through sharpshooter is completely useless...If anything the argument could be made that getting your AR to PC competitive levels requires more SP.

If you're dying to Dragonfly assaults with Militia ARs the problem is you, not the game.

In short, Cry Moar

to even a get a HMG you need to put 1million SP into weapnry lvl 5 so dont give me that bullshit. you dnt need to max damage on ARs, when you already got the blanket 10% and out range everthing else. the only buff to damage you may need is through damage mods, to beat other ARs because those are your only challenge.

I know people that can get their ******* dragon fly assualts to have 500ehp, and run around with militia Ars that chread. or exile assault rifles.

in short you dnt know what the f*** your talking about.

Another Heavy SOB since you like talking **** the invitation is open to you too. you can squad up with me anytime i'm on and i can prove to you i am not lying, and that i am indeed a good player.

just add me as contact, unless of course you just like to talk **** on forums.

yeah, u look silly getting all riled up and PO'd. even more so threatening to put ure hmg down his throat.

ill effin go toe-to-toe with all of ya with my militia fit and i guaranDAMNtee you'll know who ure facing

see, i can do it too. am i cool now?

I think D is right. I can kill an HMG heavy with easy and from safe distance, and my amarr suit is not so high HP.

How can people say it's for point defense, when attacking the SAME AREA you can't kill? You get a MAGICAL DEFENSE BONUS?
Consider that in offense you can make a surprise attack.
In Defense, couse of high prof, an enemy know that you're there.

and please, for the sake of god, STOP WATCHING PUBSCRUB MATCH to prove you're Argument. I suppose D was talking about PC & CORP battle.
Feel free to attack and Imperfect, or Sinergy and Teamplayer district an then show me your 4-5 KDR in a match vs people knowing what they do.

so long as you're close enough to spit on.

Although HMG Heavies are capable of point defense, almost any other class does this role better. It is impractical for a Heavy to stand by and defend an area when squads are usually tackling objectives together. The only way for a heavy to fulfill this part is to have other mid to long range shooters dedicated to defending the same place, but such players are hard to come by other than snipers who tend to stay put. Even in a perfect scenario where three or so AR users, two snipers, and a shotgun scout stay behind, the Heavy in most cases will serve as "bait" rather than a means of fire suppression.

Now, if I did want to limit myself to playing a point defense role, I sure would not use an HMG. The Forge Gun is more practical for this as is the AR and even the MD or Flaylock. No amount of DPS or HP can overlook the slow movement/turning speed, wide bullet dispersion, limited range, most noticeable profile signature, and the inability to jump of an HMG Heavy. In fact, I still do not understand why many bring up the DPS of the HMG altogether. When calculating dispersion, range, and turning speed, it will be noticed that DPS for the HMG only proves its worth towards stationary targets.

CUT

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.


Again, stop watching pubscrub for balance Classes.

Someone still need to explain how if your Turn speed is too low for offense, how can be good for defense?

aNow, if I did want to limit myself to playing a point defense role, I sure would not use an HMG. The Forge Gun is more practical for this .

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.


Again, stop watching pubscrub for balance Classes.

Someone still need to explain how if your Turn speed is too low for offense, how can be good for defense?

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.

How are CCP wrong if this is their game and they decide what role to give to something?
Even if it isn't balanced right, CCP wants this weapon to work for point defense, whether you like it or not .

It's very good as an LAV driver. It survives blasters and grenades. Can't run over the dodgy guy? Park and mow down.

Because a defensive weapon should out range an offensive weapon. Always.
Look at it logically, the attacker always moves towards the defender, so if the attacker out ranges you he STOPS MOVING and kills you! Then he comes in and takes the spot you where defending.

Who the **** would be a defensive weapon that can't defend ****.

So a choice must be made, either make the HMG a defensive weapon, and increase its range to longer then an assault riffle. Or make it an offensive weapon and keep its range but increase it's dmg and reduce the spread.

its not. we know this. ppl saying otherwise have gone full ******. actually, its backwards. if its horribad for defense, how is it acceptable for offense?

^^this is your rebuttal?

i have over 5million SP in heavy suits and HMGs. I am part of the 1armed bandits as a high ranking member. i have played against notable corps and made a name for myself. still if you want to see if im a bad player, add me as contact and play on my team, or we can get two squads, go to opposite sides of a merc battle and i can show you my skill. to be fair ill only use std heavy gear.


i dnt care whether you accept the invitation or not, but its there.

i am willing ready and capable of proving my point. the weapon is inferior. period. the suit is weak period.

r u a navy seal?

why does that matter? I have family and friends that served and serve in the united states army, and special forces.

logi bros, always are welcome. but the heavy shouldnt need to be right on a logi or instantly die. if that were the case, they should make it easier to be heavy by keeping it the same but drastically reducing skill costs, because this is an awfully large amount of skil points, ISK, adnd time to put SOLELY in the hands of a logi.


point being a logi is supposed to suppliment or rather compliment the heavies abilities not baby sit him.

right now running in a squad but without a logi makes no sense for a heavy, in fact running periood makes no sense. defense becomes possible when a logi is around, but its strange,

anyother suit can move around without the aid of other suits. the aid from other suits enhances their abilities but it is not necesary for their individual sucess.

what i am saying is, a team is not just a parasytic relationship, an assortment of weaklings who desprately need each other to survive.

a real team is a combination of self sufficeint members that on their own are powerful, but when combined are enhanced.

HMG seems just fine. Especially after having seen Aurra's 6.1 KD ratio video in a PC match I find it hard to believe it's as bad as some people believe it is. With proper support and good aim, it seems to do damn well at the role it was intended to be.

I always get mowed down by heavies with really high k/d ratios. I don't understand what people are talking about, other than when talking about range, which is anyway being changed for all weapons.

What are you even talking about bro? Have you even played as a heavy? Maybe you should take your insane 5 million SP and squad up with some real players. 6 pages deep in this terrible thread and the only logi mention is asinine whining about Cal Logi shield tanking?

I'm a Gallente logi dedicated to support. I roll around with a standard/adv heavy and we straight crush fools as a tandem. I have a core repair tool for my proto PC fit but the adv triage tool works fine too. Toss down some triage hives, maybe some ammo hives, and nobody is moving us from our position. In PC two heavies and two logis can pretty much hold down the entire city by themselves once entrenched. Shield tanked assaults with ARs? That's why I'm packing flux nades. I got my fatties' backs.

Point defense, bitches. Learn to play and take your GUN GAMEGäó to the next level.

I was curious to know what is the role of an HMG Heavy; target practice?

The support HMG Heavies provide for their teams is minimal. When running in squads, they are often at the rear due to their slow movement speed. This leaves Heavies incapable of playing a support role because of their already distant positions and lack of range. In addition, the bullet dispersion renders the HMG useless if fired outside of its optimal range. However, even within its optimal range, the HMG is often outplayed by the speed of a Shotgun Scout, or more often, a TAR user.

After testing different approaches and strategies to become a decent HMG Heavy, I have made little progress because the class just does not fit in with the type of long range combat that is prevalent in most matches. I often find myself as the center of attention for the opposing side's gunfire and any attempts to retreat or fire back are useless.

Due to frustration, I decided to run with just my Flaylock for a few matches. I did better in these games than I did with my Boundless or Freedom. To experiment further, I dropped my proto and went into a standard fitting with a basic Forge Gun. With eight kills, three LAVs destroyed, five Blaster Installation Turrets and one Clone Reanimation Unit shot down, I have never felt so useful in my entire career of playing a Heavy.

So, my question still stands: what is the role of an HMG Heavy?

I wish you were my logi as a heavy but still a defender should out range the attackers or else the defense is comprimised

i am willing ready and capable of proving my point. the weapon is inferior. period. the suit is weak period.

When?

r u a navy seal?

I'd rather see you on the other side so I can shove my HMG down your throat to really prove the point. FW, my corp vs yours, I'll be back playing on Wednesday.

OP
Camp the objective and hold it down.
Replenishing armor hives

i played you guys and owned you already. anyway you know my corp. its listed here. you really wanna play me? add me as contact. i aint hiding. anyone can play with my squad or ill join your squad and you'll see exactly what im talking about. enough talk show and prove or keep it to yourself.

The squads you have run with obviously suck or weren't playing a mindful, tactical game.

Decent Logi support is nice and makes you a lot more effective.

Work on maneuver and range control.

Heavies definitely have a role.

You must be horrible at HMG if you get killed by shotgun and smg.

If you're referring to earlier tonight when you went against a few of my corp (3) in a public skirmish, the one where you finished 4-3 in 12-13th on your team? 2 of which were from running people over with your ishukone watch saga (I watch the killfeed to know what my enemy is using). I was actually one of those three on my Alt, I finished 10-4 4 or 5th. The Heavy Mr TEA Bag finished 18-4 1st on our team.

You may have won the match but it wasn't from your input, your team carried you to a win. Hell you never even killed me, if you remember that orbital that got you in your truck near the CRU....That was me

If you wanted to be an assault type guy, rushing between objective and objective, you need to become friends with your LAV.

As far as the rest, heavy tracking speed needs some help. Each type of gun has a purpose, and if you don't have varying fits for each situation, you're gonna have a bad time.

Bust the assault out for standoff engagements. Bust out a regular for all-purpose. Bust out a burst for CQC and limited-time span engagements(popping out of cover to hammer a specific spot).

Finally, HMG's damage and range needs to be re-evaluated though. I run complex damage mods wherever possible, and HMG proficency 4, and I feel there are times when i'm finishing a 1v1 fight just in the nick of time - especially at medium-range engagements(even when using an Assault HMG). It could just be hit detection, but there are plenty of times when even at close range I get out-damaged by a regular AR(like, legit BPO version). Furthermore, I feel like you HAVE to run damage mods on an HMG to make it viable, which consumes our high slots and generally makes for very rigid fitting selections, where only the lows and grenades change.

Uh.. I forgot where I was going with this.. I blame the dayquil..

I bet there are HMG users who would say the same thing, in reverse, whats the point of a scout, they just run off into the distance and get mowed down by a guy with a HMG,
I was curious to know what is the role of a Scout Light; target practice?

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I didnt when i used the basic HMG, I found it did a pretty good job for what it is designed for

nova knives, ohhh man they own so hard at CQC, jumping all over the place like a wacked out raver oh way too much xtc and redbull, the proto nova knives will slaughter any squad of smg or shotty fan bois 10 times over at CQC before they even manage to pull the trigger cause the god like devs coded in a special lag monster to screw with your ping rate while being cut up with these fully sic trippy psycho stabbers, bleed out bro, yeah i own that crap

no i was refering to last week when i got an obital by myself verse you guys, while i was using a std heavy suit and std hmg and you guys were running proto gear, and duvoles.

plus, i don't even remember playing you guys because every team i played last niht sucked. i thought you guys were better than that. i was in a squad of 2, myself included.

finally, 3-4kills, with over 22 assists bro. and i got over 1200 WP just by taking your ****. thats way you lost, we weren't playing ambush bro, it was skirmish about the null canons, you know the things with the letters over them.

btw, my only 2 deaths were from getting ran over, and your orbital. if it takes you an obrital to take out 1 'dren' assault suit. you need some help

My only agenda in this argument is to get through your thick head that heavies do indeed have a role and an intelligent and skilled player can perform that job damn well.

An HMG heavy teamed with a SCR assault is a pretty fantastic combo for both parties. HMG weakens people enough for one charged body shot to finish them. Meanwhile, the charged body shot destroys shields and leaves the HMG to eat people up. So there is just a fantastic exchange of assists.

Its also great to take out other HMG heavies with this combo. "Oh look two fat guys standing next to eachother pointing HMGs, HOLY CRAP WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT GUYS SHIELDS! HOLY CRAP NOW HIS ARMOR MELTED!"

ok
how did this turn into some epeen bullshyte?

i mean, sob and legendary's banter from the start aside, this got stupid

stuff

why do you just continue to troll? and yeah, you complete forgot the match where i did infact get the 1 man OB, how convenient infact i frequently (but not every week) get 1 man OBs.

and im going to stop you right there because that story contradicts everything that happened in that match.

anyone at all who knows me, knows how well i do every match. i did play with Lance 2ballzstrong. and he can tell you. Delta 749 thought i was bullshiting, and i got more WP, Kills, and assists than him every match when we played on the same squad.

like i said, you want to play then squad up, otherwise stop making **** up. i haven't been in 12th place all this week, so thats how i know right there that is a blatant lie, always in the top 5. i wasnt even using a heavy suit, that match it was a dren assault. and a 'slpash bone flaylock'. the fact that i killed your Corp mates with a splash bone flaylock is bad. i didnt die by a single AV grenade, i was ran over 1 time, and your OB killed me and 1 other person.

the fact that i did well against a team of YOUR people in proto gear, just means they play bad,, but have expensive stuff (which is why people fit proto gear in pub matches)

Stop trolling me. you initiaed this and ruined this thread. **** this ****, fine you want the heavy to stay this rut? go ahead, when i kill you with militia AR dnt come crying to me.


since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this.

DON'T BOTHER RESPONDNG SOME WITTY REPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I WILL NOT DIGNIFY IT WITH A RESPONSE.

since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this.

your posts???
its not your thread

some other dude posted his thought on how ****** the hmg is

im just saying how nova knives open up proto tanks like swiss cheese, those bad boys stab through unsolid shields and solid armour to get to the juicey inards of your 5mil tank, so suffer on my 150+/0 ownage every single match. I'm going to get an EVE account next hope into a space suit and just stab the absolute crap out of every single titan ship with them kick ass nova knives

this^^ wasnt directed at you bro. also, i havent seen nova knives do that. is there a video where someone is doing this?

yes

My god, 8 pages of arguing, and I'm beginning to wonder if you people have even bothered to look at the stats of the guns you're talking about.

The HMG does not suffer a DPS problem compared to the AR. It does 29% more DPS than the AR, which is a very large difference.

You folks can't be taken seriously when don't have even a basic grasp of the current state of the weapon. The HMG only had a damage problem during the first weeks of Uprising. (And those were dark days indeed...)

ED: clarity.

I am surprised to see that my thread is still alive.

its because people hate heavies and are afriad they would become infinate super soldiers so they want to keep them forever nerfed.

the only viable way to use heaves is with an AR as it out DPSs a HMG. (happened to me last night, heavies with TACs) and even at that its still pretty horrible (we cloned them and blew up the MCC)

its because people hate heavies and are afriad they would become infinate super soldiers so they want to keep them forever nerfed.

the only viable way to use heaves is with an AR as it out DPSs a HMG. (happened to me last night, heavies with TACs) and even at that its still pretty horrible (we cloned them and blew up the MCC)