DUST Search - Role of an HMG Heavy?

D legendary hero wrote:

Another Heavy SOB wrote:

stuff

why do you just continue to troll? and yeah, you complete forgot the match where i did infact get the 1 man OB, how convenient infact i frequently (but not every week) get 1 man OBs.

and im going to stop you right there because that story contradicts everything that happened in that match.

anyone at all who knows me, knows how well i do every match. i did play with Lance 2ballzstrong. and he can tell you. Delta 749 thought i was bullshiting, and i got more WP, Kills, and assists than him every match when we played on the same squad.

like i said, you want to play then squad up, otherwise stop making **** up. i haven't been in 12th place all this week, so thats how i know right there that is a blatant lie, always in the top 5. i wasnt even using a heavy suit, that match it was a dren assault. and a 'slpash bone flaylock'. the fact that i killed your Corp mates with a splash bone flaylock is bad. i didnt die by a single AV grenade, i was ran over 1 time, and your OB killed me and 1 other person.

the fact that i did well against a team of YOUR people in proto gear, just means they play bad,, but have expensive stuff (which is why people fit proto gear in pub matches)

Stop trolling me. you initiaed this and ruined this thread. **** this ****, fine you want the heavy to stay this rut? go ahead, when i kill you with militia AR dnt come crying to me.

since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this.

DON'T BOTHER RESPONDNG SOME WITTY REPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I WILL NOT DIGNIFY IT WITH A RESPONSE.

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D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 217	Posted - 2013.06.21 03:28:00 - [151] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: stuff why do you just continue to troll? and yeah, you complete forgot the match where i did infact get the 1 man OB, how convenient infact i frequently (but not every week) get 1 man OBs. and im going to stop you right there because that story contradicts everything that happened in that match. anyone at all who knows me, knows how well i do every match. i did play with Lance 2ballzstrong. and he can tell you. Delta 749 thought i was bullshiting, and i got more WP, Kills, and assists than him every match when we played on the same squad. like i said, you want to play then squad up, otherwise stop making ** up. i haven't been in 12th place all this week, so thats how i know right there that is a blatant lie, always in the top 5. i wasnt even using a heavy suit, that match it was a dren assault. and a 'slpash bone flaylock'. the fact that i killed your Corp mates with a splash bone flaylock is bad. i didnt die by a single AV grenade, i was ran over 1 time, and your OB killed me and 1 other person. the fact that i did well against a team of YOUR people in proto gear, just means they play bad,, but have expensive stuff (which is why people fit proto gear in pub matches) Stop trolling me. you initiaed this and ruined this thread. this **, fine you want the heavy to stay this rut? go ahead, when i kill you with militia AR dnt come crying to me. since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this. DON'T BOTHER RESPONDNG SOME WITTY REPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I WILL NOT DIGNIFY IT WITH A RESPONSE.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2146	Posted - 2013.06.21 04:28:00 - [152] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: stuff why do you just continue to troll? and yeah, you complete forgot the match where i did infact get the 1 man OB, how convenient infact i frequently (but not every week) get 1 man OBs. and im going to stop you right there because that story contradicts everything that happened in that match. anyone at all who knows me, knows how well i do every match. i did play with Lance 2ballzstrong. and he can tell you. Delta 749 thought i was bullshiting, and i got more WP, Kills, and assists than him every match when we played on the same squad. like i said, you want to play then squad up, otherwise stop making ** up. i haven't been in 12th place all this week, so thats how i know right there that is a blatant lie, always in the top 5. i wasnt even using a heavy suit, that match it was a dren assault. and a 'slpash bone flaylock'. the fact that i killed your Corp mates with a splash bone flaylock is bad. i didnt die by a single AV grenade, i was ran over 1 time, and your OB killed me and 1 other person. the fact that i did well against a team of YOUR people in proto gear, just means they play bad,, but have expensive stuff (which is why people fit proto gear in pub matches) Stop trolling me. you initiaed this and ruined this thread. this **, fine you want the heavy to stay this rut? go ahead, when i kill you with militia AR dnt come crying to me. since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this. DON'T BOTHER RESPONDNG SOME WITTY REPLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I WILL NOT DIGNIFY IT WITH A RESPONSE. Hm
WASTED MERC The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2013.06.21 11:11:00 - [153] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this. your posts??? its not your thread some other dude posted his thought on how ****** the hmg is im just saying how nova knives open up proto tanks like swiss cheese, those bad boys stab through unsolid shields and solid armour to get to the juicey inards of your 5mil tank, so suffer on my 150+/0 ownage every single match. I'm going to get an EVE account next hope into a space suit and just stab the absolute crap out of every single titan ship with them kick ass nova knives
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 218	Posted - 2013.06.21 23:14:00 - [154] - Quote WASTED MERC wrote: D legendary hero wrote: since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this. your posts??? its not your thread some other dude posted his thought on how ****** the hmg is im just saying how nova knives open up proto tanks like swiss cheese, those bad boys stab through unsolid shields and solid armour to get to the juicey inards of your 5mil tank, so suffer on my 150+/0 ownage every single match. I'm going to get an EVE account next hope into a space suit and just stab the absolute crap out of every single titan ship with them kick ass nova knives since you have obviously failed to read any of my posts (before you began trolling me) there is no point to this this^^ wasnt directed at you bro. also, i havent seen nova knives do that. is there a video where someone is doing this?
Planetside2onPS4 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.06.22 08:19:00 - [155] - Quote My issues with the OP explained in under 2 min.
Ray Poe Algintal Core Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:03:00 - [156] - Quote The roll of the heavy is toast at this point. Hope 1.2 will balance. Lool
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 226	Posted - 2013.06.23 08:42:00 - [157] - Quote ^^pretty much
WASTED MERC The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 20	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:15:00 - [158] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: this^^ wasnt directed at you bro. also, i havent seen nova knives do that. is there a video where someone is doing this? yes
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 227	Posted - 2013.06.23 17:00:00 - [159] - Quote WASTED MERC wrote: D legendary hero wrote: this^^ wasnt directed at you bro. also, i havent seen nova knives do that. is there a video where someone is doing this? yes please post link either here or on one of my threads
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 307	Posted - 2013.06.23 17:21:00 - [160] - Quote My god, 8 pages of arguing, and I'm beginning to wonder if you people have even bothered to look at the stats of the guns you're talking about. The HMG does not suffer a DPS problem compared to the AR. It does 29% more DPS than the AR, which is a very large difference. You folks can't be taken seriously when don't have even a basic grasp of the current state of the weapon. The HMG only had a damage problem during the first weeks of Uprising. (And those were dark days indeed...) ED: clarity.

D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 227	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:44:00 - [161] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: My god, 8 pages of arguing, and I'm beginning to wonder if you people have even bothered to look at the stats of the guns you're talking about. The HMG does not suffer a DPS problem compared to the AR. It does 29% more DPS than the AR, which is a very large difference. You folks can't be taken seriously when don't have even a basic grasp of the current state of the weapon. The HMG only had a damage problem during the first weeks of Uprising. (And those were dark days indeed...) ED: clarity. dude on several threads, i posted the exact numbers. and seriously 29% is a horrible advantage compared to all the disadvantages. in fact that 29% only proves my point. with a dispersion of 30~35% that 29% means nothing. why? dispersion is how many bullets don't go where you aim them, namely bullets that miss. therefore, if you have a damage advantage of 29% over ARs (which is still very low), but only 70% of them hit your target (and this is for a target standing still. for a mobile target its much worse) your damage advantage is negated. inaddition, just think about it the damage gap is 29% comparing a STD HMG to a militia AR. as you advance from STD-ADV-PROTO the damage gap becomes more and more narrow to the point where the ARs are doing way higher dps than an HMG. STD HMG -600dps +10% = 660dps + 15% procficiency = 760.35 +18% (2 complex damage mods) = 897.2 dps - 35% dispersion = 583.2dps at optimal range. past optimal range damage fall off is almost 20 damage per meter past optimal, (i.e. 10 m eters past optimal is a 200damage reduction) and then there is the hard cap. militia AR - 425dps +10% = 467.5dps + 15% proficiency = 537.625 + 18% (2 complex damage mods) = 634.4 dps - 3% dispersion = 615.4dps at optimal range past optimal damage reduction is near 6-7 i may be wrong though. factor in that the optimal range of an AR is farther than that of the HMG and you begin to see the problem. up close, people move to fast for the heavy suit to track due to poor turn speed, and low movement speed. at mid range dispersion eliminates all possibliity of out guning a militia AR of the same skill level as the HMG (10%, 15% proficiency, and 2 complex damage mods), the sentinel suit is at a larger disadvantage due to the fact that it can only fit one complex damage mod. at long range, well it can't be used at long range. remember this was a comparison of the militia AR to a STD HMG. the proto HMG is only 1.8 damage per shot higher, where as proto ARs increase by 2 or 3 more damage per shot. the disperity is evident.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:00:00 - [162] - Quote I am surprised to see that my thread is still alive.
D legendary hero One-Armed Bandits 227	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:17:00 - [163] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: I am surprised to see that my thread is still alive. its because people hate heavies and are afriad they would become infinate super soldiers so they want to keep them forever nerfed. the only viable way to use heaves is with an AR as it out DPSs a HMG. (happened to me last night, heavies with TACs) and even at that its still pretty horrible (we cloned them and blew up the MCC)
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:24:00 - [164] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I am surprised to see that my thread is still alive. its because people hate heavies and are afriad they would become infinate super soldiers so they want to keep them forever nerfed. the only viable way to use heaves is with an AR as it out DPSs a HMG. (happened to me last night, heavies with TACs) and even at that its still pretty horrible (we cloned them and blew up the MCC) It seems to be a trend for players who are specced into a Heavy to use different weapons. Just today, I encountered three Heavy Snipers. I couldn't even laugh because they each shot me down at least once.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2163	Posted - 2013.06.24 18:14:00 - [165] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: I am surprised to see that my thread is still alive. its because people hate heavies and are afriad they would become infinate super soldiers so they want to keep them forever nerfed. the only viable way to use heaves is with an AR as it out DPSs a HMG. (happened to me last night, heavies with TACs) and even at that its still pretty horrible (we cloned them and blew up the MCC) Heavy = easy target for Snipers,LAVs,ARs and that Is not all and tanks yaaaaay


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