I think D is right. I can kill an HMG heavy with easy and from safe distance, and my amarr suit is not so high HP.

How can people say it's for point defense, when attacking the SAME AREA you can't kill? You get a MAGICAL DEFENSE BONUS?
Consider that in offense you can make a surprise attack.
In Defense, couse of high prof, an enemy know that you're there.

and please, for the sake of god, STOP WATCHING PUBSCRUB MATCH to prove you're Argument. I suppose D was talking about PC & CORP battle.
Feel free to attack and Imperfect, or Sinergy and Teamplayer district an then show me your 4-5 KDR in a match vs people knowing what they do.

so long as you're close enough to spit on.

Although HMG Heavies are capable of point defense, almost any other class does this role better. It is impractical for a Heavy to stand by and defend an area when squads are usually tackling objectives together. The only way for a heavy to fulfill this part is to have other mid to long range shooters dedicated to defending the same place, but such players are hard to come by other than snipers who tend to stay put. Even in a perfect scenario where three or so AR users, two snipers, and a shotgun scout stay behind, the Heavy in most cases will serve as "bait" rather than a means of fire suppression.

Now, if I did want to limit myself to playing a point defense role, I sure would not use an HMG. The Forge Gun is more practical for this as is the AR and even the MD or Flaylock. No amount of DPS or HP can overlook the slow movement/turning speed, wide bullet dispersion, limited range, most noticeable profile signature, and the inability to jump of an HMG Heavy. In fact, I still do not understand why many bring up the DPS of the HMG altogether. When calculating dispersion, range, and turning speed, it will be noticed that DPS for the HMG only proves its worth towards stationary targets.

CUT

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.


Again, stop watching pubscrub for balance Classes.

Someone still need to explain how if your Turn speed is too low for offense, how can be good for defense?

aNow, if I did want to limit myself to playing a point defense role, I sure would not use an HMG. The Forge Gun is more practical for this .

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.


Again, stop watching pubscrub for balance Classes.

Someone still need to explain how if your Turn speed is too low for offense, how can be good for defense?

I kown you are on EON, i want YOU SHOW ME you 4/5 kdr in a PC MATCH to prove YOUR ARGM
Vids it, so all people who complain about heavy see your vids and STFU.

How are CCP wrong if this is their game and they decide what role to give to something?
Even if it isn't balanced right, CCP wants this weapon to work for point defense, whether you like it or not .

It's very good as an LAV driver. It survives blasters and grenades. Can't run over the dodgy guy? Park and mow down.

Because a defensive weapon should out range an offensive weapon. Always.
Look at it logically, the attacker always moves towards the defender, so if the attacker out ranges you he STOPS MOVING and kills you! Then he comes in and takes the spot you where defending.

Who the **** would be a defensive weapon that can't defend ****.

So a choice must be made, either make the HMG a defensive weapon, and increase its range to longer then an assault riffle. Or make it an offensive weapon and keep its range but increase it's dmg and reduce the spread.

its not. we know this. ppl saying otherwise have gone full ******. actually, its backwards. if its horribad for defense, how is it acceptable for offense?

^^this is your rebuttal?

i have over 5million SP in heavy suits and HMGs. I am part of the 1armed bandits as a high ranking member. i have played against notable corps and made a name for myself. still if you want to see if im a bad player, add me as contact and play on my team, or we can get two squads, go to opposite sides of a merc battle and i can show you my skill. to be fair ill only use std heavy gear.


i dnt care whether you accept the invitation or not, but its there.

i am willing ready and capable of proving my point. the weapon is inferior. period. the suit is weak period.

r u a navy seal?

why does that matter? I have family and friends that served and serve in the united states army, and special forces.

logi bros, always are welcome. but the heavy shouldnt need to be right on a logi or instantly die. if that were the case, they should make it easier to be heavy by keeping it the same but drastically reducing skill costs, because this is an awfully large amount of skil points, ISK, adnd time to put SOLELY in the hands of a logi.


point being a logi is supposed to suppliment or rather compliment the heavies abilities not baby sit him.

right now running in a squad but without a logi makes no sense for a heavy, in fact running periood makes no sense. defense becomes possible when a logi is around, but its strange,

anyother suit can move around without the aid of other suits. the aid from other suits enhances their abilities but it is not necesary for their individual sucess.

what i am saying is, a team is not just a parasytic relationship, an assortment of weaklings who desprately need each other to survive.

a real team is a combination of self sufficeint members that on their own are powerful, but when combined are enhanced.

HMG seems just fine. Especially after having seen Aurra's 6.1 KD ratio video in a PC match I find it hard to believe it's as bad as some people believe it is. With proper support and good aim, it seems to do damn well at the role it was intended to be.