"Soon"

I'd like CCP to give some intel on it. I just a read an article on Eve's forums where CCP posted about introducing satellites. One poster asked them to sticky it and Foxfour did it immediately. I am beginning to get a little jealous lol

Hell if you join one of tge big 3 you are really unlikly to even get a chance to play pc as most of the bigger corps will only front their A and B teams for pc battles. So realistically the only way most people will get to participate is if more districts and systens are opend up. But even when more distructs ect opeb up there is nothing stopping the big boys from pushing everyone who isnt on par out. And with no whare other than faction warfair and tbh its pretty lame at the moment . We need the return of corp battles to at least get practice fielding 16 man teams.

How about you fight for a district instead of asking CCP to give you one?

Dust doesnt pay their bills and the eve pilots will drop down to fellate ccp at the drop of a hat so they get more time and attention put into their stuff
Welcome to second class status

Carebear Thread Alert

PC is not Farmville nor to print ISK for helpless scrubs. You want a district in PC then going to have to fight for it .

I'd like CCP to give some intel on it. I just a read an article on Eve's forums where CCP posted about introducing satellites. One poster asked them to sticky it and Foxfour did it immediately. I am beginning to get a little jealous lol

Hell if you join one of tge big 3 you are really unlikly to even get a chance to play pc as most of the bigger corps will only front their A and B teams for pc battles. So realistically the only way most people will get to participate is if more districts and systens are opend up. But even when more distructs ect opeb up there is nothing stopping the big boys from pushing everyone who isnt on par out. And with no whare other than faction warfair and tbh its pretty lame at the moment . We need the return of corp battles to at least get practice fielding 16 man teams.

How about you fight for a district instead of asking CCP to give you one?

Districts are still getting flipped constantly.

What it looks to me what CCP is doing (which is a good idea to me) is they're waiting for when districts stop the constant flipping or Wars ending. Something like a peace era. Than they will open up more space to cause more conflict between Corps/Alliances and break bonds.

If CCP adds more districts, why do you think the corps who own districts now won't take them and get even more money from them than they get now?

More intel on what?

so they're going to wait until all the good people quit the game because no one can/wants to fight them anymore.

that's basically the only way there will be peace in dust. it's also the condition dust dies in. We're mercenaries, peace is terrible for business.

Stepping on peoples toes is the entire point. There shouldn't be room for everyone to have a district; if there was there woudn't be much of a reason to attack.

So most of you agree that PC should be entitled to the top tier players only? And for the vast majority, there is instant battle... lame. The number of districts is laughably small.

Maybe you didn't understand what I said. Read it over.

Basically, when people(Corps/Alliances) are comfortable about where they stand, that should be the time for more space to open.

If that's not what's going to happen, than what we'll have is just land grabbing and ISK farming.

Shush kid

They can fight to keep it...how do you propose a level C corp to take a district if only higher tiered corps owns all of the districts? Inve been watching a corp named Zero Atmosphere, trying relentlessly to get into PC but they just havent beaten anyone yet.

We can say that only the strong survive but if players can't play due to a limited amount of districts then, they won't play dust. And well, there goes our playerbase.

so it will be peace. which is our antithesis as mercenaries, we thrive on conflict. without conflict we die. you want peace before the districts are opend, therefore you want the game dead before any kind of improvement happens to it.

and "when the corps are comfortable about where they stand" is just giving the big corps more cash with which to nab every single new district that opens up. so by waiting longer, you exacerbate the problem.

Lookout Internet tough guy

The fact that the Corp Member Size Cap is so high should shout in all of the people's ears who are complaining about smaller corps not have a place in PC that NEW EDEN ISN'T A PLACE FOR SMALL CORPS

Info on a date more regions will be released. Also allowing corps to buy multiple clone packs was a big mistake. There are like 20 corps with districts. There would be a lot more PC action if owned by 250 different corps. Smaller corps have little chance and segregating your only actual unique feature from 80% of your already small playerbase isn't helping matters.

We have not decided on that yet. We monitor the level of activity in planetary conquest and will add more districts/regions when we feel the time is right.

If we didn't allow corps to buy multiple clone packages they would have just used alt corporations. It was going to do the same thing just be a pain in the ass. That is not good game design.

Yes there would be more activity in planetary conquest if all the districts were owned by different... lets say organizations as corps can be in alliances. We are aware of that and will work towards getting more people into planetary conquest. Possibly things like making some districts easier to hold but less valuable. Or something... not really sure yet. Lots of ideas floating around, so much to do, oh god head exploding.

We have not decided on that yet. We monitor the level of activity in planetary conquest and will add more districts/regions when we feel the time is right.

If we didn't allow corps to buy multiple clone packages they would have just used alt corporations. It was going to do the same thing just be a pain in the ass. That is not good game design.

Yes there would be more activity in planetary conquest if all the districts were owned by different... lets say organizations as corps can be in alliances. We are aware of that and will work towards getting more people into planetary conquest. Possibly things like making some districts easier to hold but less valuable. Or something... not really sure yet. Lots of ideas floating around, so much to do, oh god head exploding.

Carebear Thread Alert

PC is not Farmville nor to print ISK for helpless scrubs. You want a district in PC then going to have to fight for it .

What isn't clear to the rewards on the DUST side of things is that some planets/districts are already more valuable than others, not only tactically, but also economically, but this relative value is mostly on the Eve side. A district with a single technetium moon, is much more valuable than a district with a couple cobalt, or silicates moons for example. Right now, moon amount or quality is the biggest determiner of district quality.

If we could have something like a POS module that was necessary to get SI bonuses from your DUST side districts to your POSes then it could be used kind of like a POCO, but in reverse. Perhaps it could be loaded with a commodity, kind of like fuel (biomass?), that then is slowly converted into isk that is transferred to the local district owners (via payment transfers to/from an NPC corp or something)... If it were to run out, then the POS bonuses stop, and Eve corps don't get isk. You could even make it able to be loaded with a variety of things, each possibly modifying SI rewards, or payments to districts...I'll think about this more and find a more appropriate thread for it...

More intel on what?

Seriously though? So, you're ok with only a few corps in PC? Because if youre not one of the Big 3 or a corp with nothing but allstar players then you wont get it whether you fight for it or not.

I'm not asking for CCP to give districts away just open more districts to allow for more corps and variety of fights

What happens when those corps are turned into the next DF or STB. NF sells districts all the time. If terrible players want to own stuff simply buy a district from NF via Kanes escrow service. It's not like it's impossible for people to own land. However being good enough to defend that land is another story.

The idea is this:

If there are more districts, then corps/alliances may be spread to thin to expand....thus allowing new corps/alliances to capture and defend those districts against other corps/alliances. And these new corps won't have to be elite either. They can be B or C level as far as talent is concerned.

Think about it like this...Cronos and EoN is in an ongoing war right now, right? Would they have the manpower to conquer another entire region? Maybe but most likely not...now, a corp like Zero Atmosphere and an alliance like General Tso's can creep in participate in PC.

Imagine if eve had about the same amount of districts.....how dull would it be if Goons or PL owned all. And they would be able to because they wouldnt be spread so far.

this issue right now is the districts are not that valuable. I think the Isk output should be doubled. That would promote more fights for land and also make it worth spending 160-240mil to buy into PC. Hell it's even hard to sell a district because to get the money back u have to hold the district for a month... Ccp really need to think about this doubling the Isk would be the perfect payout not too much not too little. 16-20mil. Just right.

This issue right now is the districts are not that valuable. I think the Isk output should be doubled. That would promote more fights for land and also make it worth spending 160-240mil to buy into PC. Hell it's even hard to sell a district because to get the money back u have to hold the district for a month... Ccp really need to think about this doubling the Isk would be the perfect payout not too much not too little. 16-20mil. Just right.

We have not decided on that yet. We monitor the level of activity in planetary conquest and will add more districts/regions when we feel the time is right.

If we didn't allow corps to buy multiple clone packages they would have just used alt corporations. It was going to do the same thing just be a pain in the ass. That is not good game design.

Yes there would be more activity in planetary conquest if all the districts were owned by different... lets say organizations as corps can be in alliances. We are aware of that and will work towards getting more people into planetary conquest. Possibly things like making some districts easier to hold but less valuable. Or something... not really sure yet. Lots of ideas floating around, so much to do, oh god head exploding.

@ Marston.....I agree with you. Gen packs really are not expensive to some corps and they can spam them without the loss of transfer notion.

If you make them cheaper...they will still be EVEN CHEAPER for these 'super corps'.

Go away trooper...Gen Pack cost is not the fix you are looking for...

**EDIT** unless I misread...You might be suggesting that they need to have some sort of distance factor. Which, I'm not sure how that would work? Suggestions? Maybe if we paid rent for an established office somewhere, and that became the location from which you deployed clones?

Rental offices are already a thing in Eve, and I wonder how hard it would be to make them such in Dust. The thing is that there are limited office slots, and the fewer available the more expensive they are.

It would be kind of cool if offices could act like its own mini-district, storing, but not creating clones. They couldn't be attacked either. Perhaps they could be the basis for starting to trade clones within Dust...They could behave like districts with lock times and those related rules. They'd have more strict movement penalties for attacking compared to districts though.

Directors/CEOs would manage them, and they would have the additional option of accessing the local clone market from the office. Districts would have the option of moving/selling clones to open buy orders from the various offices in the system. And the offices could transfer clones from one system to the next either to other systems' office buy orders (with a strict movement cost penalty) or their own districts in another system.

You create a couple of new skills:

Corporation Facilities Management x8 (Corporation can run 1 office at each level- up to 5 offices)
Corporate Trade Relations x4 (can have +1 clone buy/sell order at each level)

Offices would create a secondary clone market, which could raise the amount that players could earn from clones captured/created. Prices would obviously be between the genolution biomass-sell cost and the deployment pack cost.

What could be even more interesting is, if clones could be awarded as loot/salvage to individual players in FW. Then local offices throughout FW systems could buy groups of clones, which it could then use to start a FW battle of its own choosing.

Created a feedback thread for this idea

Jeez I can't believe I actually read this thread.

-conflict good. farming bad

-more districts anytime soon would just give the big blue donut 2 cronos/rofl more districts/isk

-Imps have lots of EU members/Nyain San so we planned a head of time to fight on all region timers (Don't QQ if you didn't)

-CCP needs to be able to expand the ability to beachhead with gen packs not remove them. All that would do is benefit the blue donut to force trench warfare on the front lines so they can farm isk behind it.

I'm am really starting to think most of you don't want to actually fight you just want to earn isk. PC is a failure in design because it rewards farming over fighting.

smh @ girls who just want to play Farmville on ps3

The fact that the Corp Member Size Cap is so high should shout in all of the people's ears who are complaining about smaller corps not have a place in PC that NEW EDEN ISN'T A PLACE FOR SMALL CORPS BY THEMSELVES

Well, noone is asking to farm ISK. I'm asking to promote more fights with more corps involved. Smaller and/or less skilled corps are trying to fight and get into PC but they cant because all that are left are bigger corps/organizations and better talented corps.

It's easy to ask for fights and call other corps cowards when you're the top corp in the game with allstar shooters. A corp with an average of 0.89KDR knows that they cant compete with a corp that has a 5KDR. They would rather fight a battle where they feel they have a chance of winning. But the way things are now with limited districts, that won't happen.

Well, noone is asking to farm ISK. I'm asking to promote more fights with more corps involved. Smaller and/or less skilled corps are trying to fight and get into PC but they cant because all that are left are bigger corps/organizations and better talented corps.

It's easy to ask for fights and call other corps cowards when you're the top corp in the game with allstar shooters. A corp with an average of 0.89KDR knows that they cant compete with a corp that has a 5KDR. They would rather fight a battle where they feel they have a chance of winning. But the way things are now with limited districts, that won't happen.

Carebears don't have a place in PC. Even if they were given land people would surely take it for the hell of it.

But right now...where would those small corps go? Every piece of land in Molden Heath has been claimed by the big alliances so they wont be able to hold them. But if they open up another region, then they can claim districts and attack each other. Of coursex, the already existing corps & alliances will want a piece of the new land but there is war right now in Molden Heath. Everyone is too busy.

I've seen zero atmosphere, vacuum cleaners, lux, and I believe BHD are trying to get into PC. But without backing, will they hold any district they managed to take? At least, if there are new territory, then they may battle each other. BHD's alliance can war with General Tso's alliance.....maybe Orion can come back etc.

CCP would be wise to find a way to give a bigger chunk of the player base something to fight over. PC is nice and all, but really its dominated by a small percentage of the players.

Its hard to find a way to make a "noob" PC for smaller corps that wouldnt just be rolled over. I suppose you could have a "tax" on districts that taxes by the member. But then elite corps would still dominate, and bigger alliances could just have proxy corps to participate.

Current PC is cool, but for the health of the game, there should be something "meta" for smaller/less elite corps. I suppose FW would be it, but right now its handled so poorly there is zero reason to participate in it other than for the ease of getting larger groups of the same corp together.

But right now...where would those small corps go? Every piece of land in Molden Heath has been claimed by the big alliances so they wont be able to hold them. But if they open up another region, then they can claim districts and attack each other. Of coursex, the already existing corps & alliances will want a piece of the new land but there is war right now in Molden Heath. Everyone is too busy.

I've seen zero atmosphere, vacuum cleaners, lux, and I believe BHD are trying to get into PC. But without backing, will they hold any district they managed to take? At least, if there are new territory, then they may battle each other. BHD's alliance can war with General Tso's alliance.....maybe Orion can come back etc.

Yea, we've held a few districts here and there and tried some offensive stuff.

While it looks like a lot of Dust corps hold a ton of space, they actually have the manpower to defend it, so it appears we need more space.

But: would one more region be enough? And if its too much, then that starts giving a lot of passive income to the large entities to own for themselves.

If they want to expand PC (especially to ALL of lowsec) CCP needs to implement a contract system. EVE players need to be able to funnel ISK into the attacks and have Mercenaries (that is what we are supposed to be after all) go and do the ground pounding, but the district remains in the EVE corp's hands. Currently EVE corps REQUIRE Dust guys in their own Alliance to do the work for them for it to give them bonuses and the like... what if they don't care about Dust guys and would rather shell out 200M to a corp to fight over some districts?

I think this would solve any issue with there being too many districts, then CCP can just open up ALL of lowsec in one go.

.....either in Molden Heath or outside of Molden Heath???

Molden Heath is congested at the moment, and there isn't any more space to expand to without stepping on someone's toes. A lot corps are not participating or not able to participate in PC, because they can not right now. It could be a corp size issue or skill issue. But by expanding the number of planets and systems to attack, then it may spread some corps/alliances even more thin and corps may be able to participate in PC.

PC is what keeps a lot of players playing every day, imo, so you want as many to participate as possible. The only other option for a corp to participate is to join one of The Big 3 and some corps may not even fit their criteria.

I just dont like to see consolidation of players all in one or two entities. I like to see variety, it will make pc more interesting. So, please can we get some word on when you will expand PC for Dust corps???

CCP needs to be careful when adding more regions for PC. Since we only fight on temperate planets today the addition of maps on other planet types will create a huge influx of districts in Molden Heath alone. If we get more PC regions before new planet types it could make adding new types problematic. As much as I want PC battles closer to Delve it would be better to get the new planets in Molden Heath first.

That is fine too....they don't have to open up more regions. There are many planets on Molden Heath that they can open up and allow for participation from other corps/alliances.

Team True Grit are watching the situation and when the time is right more may be added. At this point there is no definitive time frame for additional Districts for Planetary Conquest. :D

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CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip
Dust 514 Community Rep

but aren't the other planets non-temperate? Because of this, wouldn't fighting on them will change drastically?

Carebears don't have a place in PC. Even if they were given land people would surely take it for the hell of it.

i've never really bothered to look into the significance of temperate and non-temperate planets so I really don't have a good answer for you yet.

OTOH, there is definitely an issue with not being able to attack districts outside of your own peak TZ. Our enemies' districts have reinforcement timers deep into US TZ and so we can't feasibly attack and conquer those districts. The same applies in reverse.

Hey imps support small corps to join PC all the time. We have no interest in attacking the small/less skilled/noob corps and we sell our districts to them to try and get them involved. Maybe if you ACTUALLY cared about these corp you could take some districts and offer it to them yourself. Just like imps have.

As bad as the mechanics are you can still easily transfer districts and we have done it many of times so far.

What is the issue is that very few corps actually want to fight in PC. The problem is there are 3 main groups cronos/unclaimed/rofl and they have no issue picking on the new/little guy because they aren't going to fight each other. So soon as the new guy joins in they have only big power blocks to fight against. This is the product of ccp bad PC design and unless they drastically change it there is absolutely nothing you or anyone can do about it.

Team True Grit are watching the situation and when the time is right more may be added. At this point there is no definitive time frame for additional Districts for Planetary Conquest. :D

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CCP Mintchip // Twitter - @CCP_Mintchip
Dust 514 Community Rep

How about you fight for a district instead of asking CCP to give you one?

4 pages of nothing but whining

If your not good enough to take a district you aint going to be good enough to defend it anyways

Working as intended

^This.

Also, for those who are saying the rewards of holding a District are too low, remember the lessons of null-sec in EVE.

If you get too much money for just sitting on something, stagnation becomes the name of the game.

What do you think will happen if no new corps/alliances get a shot of fighting over territory?

Again...opening more territory will allow for new corps to seize and fight over territory. The big names are in a fight right now to be worried about conquering another region.

Hell if you join one of tge big 3 you are really unlikly to even get a chance to play pc as most of the bigger corps will only front their A and B teams for pc battles. So realistically the only way most people will get to participate is if more districts and systens are opend up. But even when more distructs ect opeb up there is nothing stopping the big boys from pushing everyone who isnt on par out. And with no whare other than faction warfair and tbh its pretty lame at the moment . We need the return of corp battles to at least get practice fielding 16 man teams.

What do you think will happen if no new corps/alliances get a shot of fighting over territory?

Again...opening more territory will allow for new corps to seize and fight over territory. The big names are in a fight right now to be worried about conquering another region.

4 pages of nothing but whining

If your not good enough to take a district you aint going to be good enough to defend it anyways

Working as intended

"Quoting" your own thread. Lol.

You have nothing to do here.

"Soon"

I get your point Ydubbs, but as others have said... PC is cutthroat and not necessarily for everyone. Corps/Clans can still participate in Dust. They can group up and do pubs, or even FW.

I'm sure as the player population grows, CCP will add more planets/districts. Then maybe other corps will have a chance for a piece of the pie.

My one suggestion to CCP would be to change the timers to a range, not just a hard time.

As jump said: right now all you have to do is sequence your timers properly and you can hold a very large number of districts with just a small group of players. (assuming they're good enough to keep winning)

If you change the timers to a range. Maybe something like a 3-hour window. This leaves a district vulnerable for longer, meaning that it would take more players to defend the same number of districts, since players cant just log-in just in time for a scheduled match. They would be on-the-fly. Somebody decides to attack at any point during the window. Your corp gets a 10min warning. You have 10min to get a group together. This probably wouldn't be problem if you only have one or two districts. However if you have 10 districsts, all with a 3-hour window, it takes a lot of manpower to defend those.

"Corps/Clans can still participate in Dust. They can group up and do pubs"

Come on men, you're not talking serious.

"I'm sure as the player population grows, CCP will add more planets/districts"

They said the same about matchmaking since the first build of the closed beta. Do you see any kind of one? Because I don't.

The game is cool, very cool. But you can't say that participate in Dust as a corp, is play pub matches against some groups plus randoms. It's ok if people start to admit that Dust is a "MMO" just for a few of players, and the rest, just playing a monotone FPS trying to unblock some skill.

I get your point Ydubbs, but as others have said... PC is cutthroat and not necessarily for everyone. Corps/Clans can still participate in Dust. They can group up and do pubs, or even FW.

I'm sure as the player population grows, CCP will add more planets/districts. Then maybe other corps will have a chance for a piece of the pie.

My one suggestion to CCP would be to change the timers to a range, not just a hard time.

As jump said: right now all you have to do is sequence your timers properly and you can hold a very large number of districts with just a small group of players. (assuming they're good enough to keep winning)

If you change the timers to a range. Maybe something like a 3-hour window. This leaves a district vulnerable for longer, meaning that it would take more players to defend the same number of districts, since players cant just log-in just in time for a scheduled match. They would be on-the-fly. Somebody decides to attack at any point during the window. Your corp gets a 10min warning. You have 10min to get a group together. This probably wouldn't be problem if you only have one or two districts. However if you have 10 districsts, all with a 3-hour window, it takes a lot of manpower to defend those.

"Corps/Clans can still participate in Dust. They can group up and do pubs"

Come on men, you're not talking serious.

"I'm sure as the player population grows, CCP will add more planets/districts"

They said the same about matchmaking since the first build of the closed beta. Do you see any kind of one? Because I don't.

The game is cool, very cool. But you can't say that participate in Dust as a corp, is play pub matches against some groups plus randoms. It's ok if people start to admit that Dust is a "MMO" just for a few of players, and the rest, just playing a monotone FPS trying to unblock some skill.

I, personally, don't see a problem with the current system. If you have 10 mins to get people together as opposed to 24 hrs then you will have to live on dust to hold your districts. For a small corp with about 5 districts....can be a busy day for a corp if their timers aren't overlapping.

Any big name that gets kicked out or beat down too much will simply go to the new region and kick the little corps out
and now it provides a bigger problem cuz it creates LESS conflict because the big boys will spread out pwn the nubs

Another region isnt the answer atm, maybe more districts in MH

what needs to happen is a proper merc system and raiding system/rewards so ppl dont always have to grab grab grab
personally i dont want to hold alot of space for EoN. im comfortable with what we have but that dont mean i wont attack to have fights....raiding needs to be viable.

also keep in mind CRONOS is sitting on a BUNCH of **** they cant hold which also keeps out the little guys

I probably wasn't clear. Your district wouldn't be vulnerable for 24 hours, with a 10min warning. You'd have a scheduled 3-hour window of vulnerability. During this 3-hour window, is when you get your 10min warning.

Example:

Ahrendee schedules their window from 8pm-11pm EST. Another corp may randomly attack at any time during that period. You get a 10min warning (for argument's sake, make it a 30min warning) You have that warning time to get your players out of pubs, or to get them online etc. Not that big of a deal.

Now if you wanted to hold 10 districts, this is where it would be tougher for you. More windows, some of which may overlap, meaning it'd be tougher for you to hold them all since you may have to fight multiple concurrent battles... giving the "little guy" a chance to take one of your districts.

Well, why not a 24 hour warning but with a 3 hr interval? It will still be tougher to hold because you can still be scheduled with overlapping matches but at least you dont have to be on for 3 hrs everyday. Right now, you can sign on right before the battle and leave if you have real life engagements. As opposed to a ten or thirty min warning, where you have to sign on and wait for 3 hrs just in case.

The 3 hr window isn't a bad idea...I just have issue with the short warning time.

I, personally, don't see a problem with the current system. If you have 10 mins to get people together as opposed to 24 hrs then you will have to live on dust to hold your districts. For a small corp with about 5 districts....can be a busy day for a corp if their timers aren't overlapping.

I don't know why you are disregarding all of my numbers above, Ydubbs. The more battles and churn there is in PC the more net loss there is going to be and the harder it is for small corps to sustain. The more battles that occur because of players buying clone packs the higher average clone costs are. The higher average clone costs are the more costly war is in general. The more costly, the less profitable PC is. The less profitable, the more funds are needed from alternative sources...i.e. corp taxes...re: harder it is for small corps.

What it sounds like to me is that we want something out there that lets corps 'own' their distinguishment. All we have at the moment are "pies in space" with names next to them that basically just show that at one point in time, corps had enough organization, opporunity, resources and skill to take the land.

I) There are corps that want land for the isk.
II) There are those that want it for the fights.
III) Then there are those that want it for the glory.

I) is a pipe dream for all but the best-of-the-best.

II) Have other sources to find this...but I think power blocs inhibit the accessibility of good fights, or make them come with a premium. Interestingly, I'm curious of the difference in corp experience with profits from PC compared to the old Corp betting system.

III) If many corps think they can take and hold land forever, the will find, at least now, maintaining the resources to make this possible for PC very difficult.

Add a district cap per corp and open up a new region. Remove ringers from PC.

Sit back, watch powerblocks split apart to deal with the inrush of 90% of the Dust population who wants to play the game, sounds good to me.

PC isn't for carebears. If you're not good enough you don't deserve to be in PC it's as easy as that.

Dont think that it is viable but removing ringers would help as well.

You really dont have a problem with the low playerbase in pc?

You really dont have a problem with the low playerbase in pc?

Dont think that it is viable but removing ringers would help as well.

Sure it is, what isn't viable about it? They could introduce it the same way as PI for eve players where as you train a skill to allow another planet to be exploited. It curbs unlimited expansion and promotes competition.

How would that raise player base?

How would opening more districts and allow for new corps and less skilled corps to particpate in PC raise player base?

Add a district cap per corp and open up a new region. Remove ringers from PC.

Sit back, watch powerblocks split apart to deal with the inrush of 90% of the Dust population who wants to play the game, sounds good to me.

Remove ringers from PC.

They have a district, get their district taken and then back to square one, do you have any foresight?

The only real option is giving some districts the ability to change their districts from an 16v16 to an 8v8 and allow them to pick an objective game mode of their choice...

Hell if you join one of tge big 3 you are really unlikly to even get a chance to play pc as most of the bigger corps will only front their A and B teams for pc battles. So realistically the only way most people will get to participate is if more districts and systens are opend up. But even when more distructs ect opeb up there is nothing stopping the big boys from pushing everyone who isnt on par out. And with no whare other than faction warfair and tbh its pretty lame at the moment . We need the return of corp battles to at least get practice fielding 16 man teams.

lol @ removing ringers

Kinda defeats the purpose of forming alliances, and being you know, A MERCENARY

@ Sheneighway

Omg...someone gets it! I was wondering how to make it more clear. Even if they dont agree that it would work, it just didnt seem like people were grasping the concept or the theory behind it.

@ Sheneighway

Omg...someone gets it! I was wondering how to make it more clear. Even if they dont agree that it would work, it just didnt seem like people were grasping the concept or the theory behind it.

sha-nay-nay

I spelled it in the most unnecessarily complicated way I could manage

sha-nay-nay

I spelled it in the most unnecessarily complicated way I could manage

That wouldn't promote people to attack, one highly flawed plan....

PC isn't for carebears. If you're not good enough you don't deserve to be in PC it's as easy as that.

You would have to be paid to join the corp. Don't see the issue here and think it would create a great mechanic.

not true.
idk about others but EoN and i know 100% for sure SyN rotates and lets everyone play, we have a more selective recruitment process anyway so the ppl that actually get in are guaranteed to play if available

Add a district cap per corp and open up a new region. Remove ringers from PC.

Sit back, watch powerblocks split apart to deal with the inrush of 90% of the Dust population who wants to play the game, sounds good to me.

Sure it is, what isn't viable about it? They could introduce it the same way as PI for eve players where as you train a skill to allow another planet to be exploited. It curbs unlimited expansion and promotes competition.

I believe the idea is to have so many districts that the current corps controlling PC would be overextending themselves if they tried taking the new districts.

It's very simple to just say something wouldnt work.

"Because....", is where it really counts.

So, tell me how larger corps will not be able to afford to train up an alt specifically so that they can grab more land. Also tell me how smaller corps will be able afford an alt to do something that larger corps can't.

Please also tell me how having fewer districts in place now (where the playerbase is relatively small), does NOT promote competition while having more districts for a smaller playerbase would.

In case you didn't understand, it's about supply demand. 100 corps fighting over 10 districts yield more competition than 100 corps fighting over 50 districts.

Info on a date more regions will be released. Also allowing corps to buy multiple clone packs was a big mistake. There are like 20 corps with districts. There would be a lot more PC action if owned by 250 different corps. Smaller corps have little chance and segregating your only actual unique feature from 80% of your already small playerbase isn't helping matters.

We have not decided on that yet. We monitor the level of activity in planetary conquest and will add more districts/regions when we feel the time is right.

If we didn't allow corps to buy multiple clone packages they would have just used alt corporations. It was going to do the same thing just be a pain in the ass. That is not good game design.

Yes there would be more activity in planetary conquest if all the districts were owned by different... lets say organizations as corps can be in alliances. We are aware of that and will work towards getting more people into planetary conquest. Possibly things like making some districts easier to hold but less valuable. Or something... not really sure yet. Lots of ideas floating around, so much to do, oh god head exploding.

So you wish for MORE artificial limits put in place by CCP, which can easily be worked around by corps with good organization skills?

Your suggestions won't work, you still won't get land.

New district = existing strong corps take the new region with almost no resistance
District cap per corp = more alt corps
Remove ringers from PC = consolidate/hop corps before battle and hop back after

End result, powerblocs still stomp smaller corps who lack:
1. Organization
2. Manpower
3. Skill (both SP and FPS skills)

Team True Grit are watching the situation and when the time is right more may be added. At this point there is no definitive time frame for additional Districts for Planetary Conquest. :D

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Unfortunatly there are too many players who are somthing in this game and are nothing outside their mums basement . Its those players that stick to their snobbery about not having a real life and dont want joe avrage to ruin the only thing that makes tgem feel superior. The sand box is a joke that caters to less than 5% of this games population. Yes Pc is the endgame here I dust but unless somthing is done to allow smaller corps and "lesser" mercs to take part In battles that matter then unfortunatly this game will die. I hope ccp can at least vring back corp battles then smaller and less experienced coros will be able to fight in battles that matter.

There is a maxim in New Eden (cannot remember originator...) that goes something like "Any change put in place to assist new players will assist older, more experienced, higher SP players to an even greater extent"

Districts that are easier to hold will simply be even harder to take from the best teams.

PC just need 32-45 more districts, any more will be over kill right now.

I like how you posted a bunch of useful suggestion for discussion, with all the brilliant insight, I'm sure you could come up with an elegant solution that works to help smaller corps take and hold land displaying their ability, while not hampering larger corps with artificial limits.

/sarcasm

Firstly, your ad hominem attacks have NO place in a discussion. Please stop projecting your own insecurities and real life situation onto other players. Just because other players have the drive and ability to do better in a game, which in this case means taking, holding and defending districts, does not automatically mean that they are losers in real life like you.

Secondly, what do YOU propose will help smaller corps and lesser mercs take part in battles that matter? Are you saying that everyone should have a piece of the PC pie? If not, then what percentage of players should have it? How would you go about balancing that? If you can't post anything constructive other than 'whaaa I'm a basement dwelling nerd who cries about other players being better than me', then sometimes you just need to STFU.

Hahahaha hahahahah oh and hahahahaha to you . Obviously one of the folks I mentiond you seem to be the only o e to take offence . Get a life and get out of your mums basment . I did and have commented in many other threads . As I mentiond in this one about the return of corp battles but you in your offence having met the truth about yourself obviously didnt see that bit

So, tell me how larger corps will not be able to afford to train up an alt specifically so that they can grab more land. Also tell me how smaller corps will be able afford an alt to do something that larger corps can't.

Please also tell me how having fewer districts in place now (where the playerbase is relatively small), does NOT promote competition while having more districts for a smaller playerbase would.

In case you didn't understand, it's about supply demand. 100 corps fighting over 10 districts yield more competition than 100 corps fighting over 50 districts.

So, tell me how larger corps will not be able to afford to train up an alt specifically so that they can grab more land. Also tell me how smaller corps will be able afford an alt to do something that larger corps can't.

Please also tell me how having fewer districts in place now (where the playerbase is relatively small), does NOT promote competition while having more districts for a smaller playerbase would.

In case you didn't understand, it's about supply demand. 100 corps fighting over 10 districts yield more competition than 100 corps fighting over 50 districts.

Am in favour of the idea that you can control X amount of districts then after that your attacks are counted as raids

Using alt corps is fine imo, it splits a players attention between that and his main and depending on how active he is he will inevitable reach a cross road where he needs to choose what character he is using over another.

Currently a lot of corps are not interested in PC as it is, alliance powerblocks aside it just isn't feasible to do alarm clock ops/ get 16 players on at 1 time every day/ (enter random reason) why playing the game 24/7 isn't a priority for real people. Am suggesting opening up PC for general Dust 514 players to get involved in and maybe stop the immiment stagnation of PC, which I think just happened anyway.

It isn't about supply and demand, I can see where you are going with that point but its a very moot one. Dust offers very little in the mmo scene atm, outside of epeen and highly competitive play there is little on offer for most of general dust to bother getting involved in it. Its nothing but a laggy skirmish to most people.

I agree 100% that PC should be won by corps that have organisation and skill, of that no doubt, but it still needs to be widely more available to the majority of Dust other wise whats the point? CCP need to act fast and shake things up to make it more contained and vibrant and not cater to the minority forum warriors rant "get good" because face it, most of the player base cant be arsed with that ****. Rather do something for kicks and a laugh than a second job.

Supply and demand is a good way of looking at it.

10 corps fighting over 10 districts will only yield more competition amongst those skillful to compete.

Right now, the demand is exceeding the supply...there are corps sitting out because they feel like they cant win battles against landowners or their alliance partners.

I get that everyone shouldn't be in pc but mavado said something...to which I agree...we can harass each other with attacks but corps don't have to own molden heath. And I don't think that corps will extend to new territory much unless they abamdon their territory in molden heath. People are now seeing the penalties of overextending oneself

You start off with saying supply and demand is agood way of looking at it, and yet you go on about 10 corps fighting over 10 districts.
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Think smaller 6-man districts would be... fantabulous.

This is honestly the only thing that is going to get a significant number of smaller corps involved.

This is something we are working towards.

Intriguing...

would you be willing to implement Capital Districts, which could potentially include higher volumes of players? I had proposed a similar idea in the past, concerning a player designated district which was more like a stronghold both in terms of Clones and ISK value.

I love the idea of Capital Districts but I think it should be a bonus if one corp owns the entire planet though. If you own the planet, you get to unlock the option to have one be a Capital.

Just spitballing here.

The capital can hold 600 clones
The corp holding the capital can only attack districts that are located on the planet (should they be taken)
An attacking corp can only attack the capital from another district on the planet

It will give a benefit to a corp holding a planet as well as add to the RP as well.