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dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.07 07:17:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:
OTOH, there is definitely an issue with not being able to attack districts outside of your own peak TZ. Our enemies' districts have reinforcement timers deep into US TZ and so we can't feasibly attack and conquer those districts. The same applies in reverse.
Or get more players not in your timezone into your alliance. We seem to be landing our attacks fine even though they're EU timezone. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:31:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:not true. idk about others but EoN and i know 100% for sure SyN rotates and lets everyone play, we have a more selective recruitment process anyway so the ppl that actually get in are guaranteed to play if available +1
I'm terrible at this game and still get called up for PC battles every now and again
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dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:36:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Add a district cap per corp and open up a new region. Remove ringers from PC. Sit back, watch powerblocks split apart to deal with the inrush of 90% of the Dust population who wants to play the game, sounds good to me. So you wish for MORE artificial limits put in place by CCP, which can easily be worked around by corps with good organization skills?
Your suggestions won't work, you still won't get land.
New district = existing strong corps take the new region with almost no resistance District cap per corp = more alt corps Remove ringers from PC = consolidate/hop corps before battle and hop back after
End result, powerblocs still stomp smaller corps who lack: 1. Organization 2. Manpower 3. Skill (both SP and FPS skills) |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:41:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote: Sure it is, what isn't viable about it? They could introduce it the same way as PI for eve players where as you train a skill to allow another planet to be exploited. It curbs unlimited expansion and promotes competition.
So, tell me how larger corps will not be able to afford to train up an alt specifically so that they can grab more land. Also tell me how smaller corps will be able afford an alt to do something that larger corps can't.
Please also tell me how having fewer districts in place now (where the playerbase is relatively small), does NOT promote competition while having more districts for a smaller playerbase would.
In case you didn't understand, it's about supply demand. 100 corps fighting over 10 districts yield more competition than 100 corps fighting over 50 districts. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:43:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I believe the idea is to have so many districts that the current corps controlling PC would be overextending themselves if they tried taking the new districts.
So they hire more people, back to square 1. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.08 02:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:@ Sheneighway
Omg...someone gets it! I was wondering how to make it more clear. Even if they dont agree that it would work, it just didnt seem like people were grasping the concept or the theory behind it. That wouldn't promote people to attack, one highly flawed plan.... It's very simple to just say something wouldnt work. "Because....", is where it really counts. "Because, larger corps will just hire more people." |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.09 04:06:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Unfortunatly there are too many players who are somthing in this game and are nothing outside their mums basement . Its those players that stick to their snobbery about not having a real life and dont want joe avrage to ruin the only thing that makes tgem feel superior. The sand box is a joke that caters to less than 5% of this games population. Yes Pc is the endgame here I dust but unless somthing is done to allow smaller corps and "lesser" mercs to take part In battles that matter then unfortunatly this game will die. I hope ccp can at least vring back corp battles then smaller and less experienced coros will be able to fight in battles that matter. I like how you posted a bunch of useful suggestion for discussion, with all the brilliant insight, I'm sure you could come up with an elegant solution that works to help smaller corps take and hold land displaying their ability, while not hampering larger corps with artificial limits.
/sarcasm
Firstly, your ad hominem attacks have NO place in a discussion. Please stop projecting your own insecurities and real life situation onto other players. Just because other players have the drive and ability to do better in a game, which in this case means taking, holding and defending districts, does not automatically mean that they are losers in real life like you.
Secondly, what do YOU propose will help smaller corps and lesser mercs take part in battles that matter? Are you saying that everyone should have a piece of the PC pie? If not, then what percentage of players should have it? How would you go about balancing that? If you can't post anything constructive other than 'whaaa I'm a basement dwelling nerd who cries about other players being better than me', then sometimes you just need to STFU. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.09 07:01:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:There is a maxim in New Eden (cannot remember originator...) that goes something like "Any change put in place to assist new players will assist older, more experienced, higher SP players to an even greater extent"
Districts that are easier to hold will simply be even harder to take from the best teams. Malcanis' Law: Anything done to help 'new players' will invariably always be a greater advantage to older, more experienced players
Or something like that. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.09 09:40:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:dustwaffle wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Unfortunatly there are too many players who are somthing in this game and are nothing outside their mums basement . Its those players that stick to their snobbery about not having a real life and dont want joe avrage to ruin the only thing that makes tgem feel superior. The sand box is a joke that caters to less than 5% of this games population. Yes Pc is the endgame here I dust but unless somthing is done to allow smaller corps and "lesser" mercs to take part In battles that matter then unfortunatly this game will die. I hope ccp can at least vring back corp battles then smaller and less experienced coros will be able to fight in battles that matter. I like how you posted a bunch of useful suggestion for discussion, with all the brilliant insight, I'm sure you could come up with an elegant solution that works to help smaller corps take and hold land displaying their ability, while not hampering larger corps with artificial limits. /sarcasm Firstly, your ad hominem attacks have NO place in a discussion. Please stop projecting your own insecurities and real life situation onto other players. Just because other players have the drive and ability to do better in a game, which in this case means taking, holding and defending districts, does not automatically mean that they are losers in real life like you. Secondly, what do YOU propose will help smaller corps and lesser mercs take part in battles that matter? Are you saying that everyone should have a piece of the PC pie? If not, then what percentage of players should have it? How would you go about balancing that? If you can't post anything constructive other than 'whaaa I'm a basement dwelling nerd who cries about other players being better than me', then sometimes you just need to STFU. Hahahaha hahahahah oh and hahahahaha to you . Obviously one of the folks I mentiond you seem to be the only o e to take offence . Get a life and get out of your mums basment . I did and have commented in many other threads . As I mentiond in this one about the return of corp battles but you in your offence having met the truth about yourself obviously didnt see that bit
I'm sorry you can't do anything better with your comeback other than 'LOL u mad' Try harder and fail less next time QQ BABY.
BTW, in case it hasn't hit you yet, you got owned in that post and are still coming back from more, 1-0 to me becomes 2-0 soon. Also, my mum's basement is nice, warm and comfortable, why would I want to move out?
Your 'return of corp battles' comment at the bottom of all your tear-filled post was noticed the first time round. However, it was found lacking any substantive arguments and thus does not merit comment as it's meaningless and not a viable alternative. |
dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.13 07:47:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Using alt corps is fine imo, it splits a players attention between that and his main and depending on how active he is he will inevitable reach a cross road where he needs to choose what character he is using over another.
Currently a lot of corps are not interested in PC as it is, alliance powerblocks aside it just isn't feasible to do alarm clock ops/ get 16 players on at 1 time every day/ (enter random reason) why playing the game 24/7 isn't a priority for real people. Am suggesting opening up PC for general Dust 514 players to get involved in and maybe stop the immiment stagnation of PC, which I think just happened anyway.
It isn't about supply and demand, I can see where you are going with that point but its a very moot one. Dust offers very little in the mmo scene atm, outside of epeen and highly competitive play there is little on offer for most of general dust to bother getting involved in it. Its nothing but a laggy skirmish to most people.
I agree 100% that PC should be won by corps that have organisation and skill, of that no doubt, but it still needs to be widely more available to the majority of Dust other wise whats the point? CCP need to act fast and shake things up to make it more contained and vibrant and not cater to the minority forum warriors rant "get good" because face it, most of the player base cant be arsed with that ****. Rather do something for kicks and a laugh than a second job. To address: 1. Alt corps: No. This means the player will just drop corp and reapply to the corp holding/attack districts, and reapply back to original corp for other battles. It's just a clunkier way of doing things and doesn't solve anything by placing limits on the number of districts each corp can own. Already I can think of an alternative/workaround, where an alliance will have 4-5 'holding corporations' which will have 5-6 alts in each corp to pull ringers into battles.
2. Dust (and EVE) reward organization. If a smaller corp wants to come in, it had better come prepared with manpower and organization. If a corp can't field 16 players, and this 16 can include ANYONE, including friends/allies etc., how would opening up more districts help them?
3. Let me ask you some questions then. What exactly do you mean by 'opening up PC more for casual players/new players'? How exactly would you stop older players/larger corps from coming in to stomp them? Can you do the above without putting in artificial limits? How do you balance the risk/reward?
4. The way I see it, smaller corps currently have a few ways to partake in PC: a. Get more players b. Cover more timezones c. Learn to work as a team/squad
If most of the playerbase can't be arsed, why should there be artificial limits put into place just to cater to them? Again, we return to my third point above, even if CCP did cater to them, what's to stop larger corps coming in and stomping all over their content?
tl;dr Too many people go on about 'opening up PC for casuals/newplayers/small corps etc. without thinking of what implications such a move would do. |
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dustwaffle
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Posted - 2013.06.13 07:54:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Supply and demand is a good way of looking at it.
10 corps fighting over 10 districts will only yield more competition amongst those skillful to compete.
Right now, the demand is exceeding the supply...there are corps sitting out because they feel like they cant win battles against landowners or their alliance partners.
I get that everyone shouldn't be in pc but mavado said something...to which I agree...we can harass each other with attacks but corps don't have to own molden heath. And I don't think that corps will extend to new territory much unless they abamdon their territory in molden heath. People are now seeing the penalties of overextending oneself You start off with saying supply and demand is agood way of looking at it, and yet you go on about 10 corps fighting over 10 districts.
No. Demand has to outstrip supply for there to be more fighting, more competition etc. If there were sufficient districts for every corp out there, there would be equal demand and equal supply, meaning overall less fights.
It's not so much that 'everyone shouldn't be in PC', but more that people who want to be in PC should be able to grab a piece of the pie. Of course, such group of people should also be prepared for it, including recruiting more people, covering more timezones etc. to sort out the logistical issues.
The only problem/oversight of CCP, IMO, is that corps are able to launch attacks using clone packs rather than expanding from their current territories. How this would be balanced would be subject to discussion. |
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