"Soon"

Hell if you join one of tge big 3 you are really unlikly to even get a chance to play pc as most of the bigger corps will only front their A and B teams for pc battles. So realistically the only way most people will get to participate is if more districts and systens are opend up. But even when more distructs ect opeb up there is nothing stopping the big boys from pushing everyone who isnt on par out. And with no whare other than faction warfair and tbh its pretty lame at the moment . We need the return of corp battles to at least get practice fielding 16 man teams.

How about you fight for a district instead of asking CCP to give you one?

Dust doesnt pay their bills and the eve pilots will drop down to fellate ccp at the drop of a hat so they get more time and attention put into their stuff
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PC is not Farmville nor to print ISK for helpless scrubs. You want a district in PC then going to have to fight for it .

More intel on what?

What happens when those corps are turned into the next DF or STB. NF sells districts all the time. If terrible players want to own stuff simply buy a district from NF via Kanes escrow service. It's not like it's impossible for people to own land. However being good enough to defend that land is another story.

If you make them cheaper...they will still be EVEN CHEAPER for these 'super corps'.

Go away trooper...Gen Pack cost is not the fix you are looking for...

**EDIT** unless I misread...You might be suggesting that they need to have some sort of distance factor. Which, I'm not sure how that would work? Suggestions? Maybe if we paid rent for an established office somewhere, and that became the location from which you deployed clones?

Rental offices are already a thing in Eve, and I wonder how hard it would be to make them such in Dust. The thing is that there are limited office slots, and the fewer available the more expensive they are.

It would be kind of cool if offices could act like its own mini-district, storing, but not creating clones. They couldn't be attacked either. Perhaps they could be the basis for starting to trade clones within Dust...They could behave like districts with lock times and those related rules. They'd have more strict movement penalties for attacking compared to districts though.

Directors/CEOs would manage them, and they would have the additional option of accessing the local clone market from the office. Districts would have the option of moving/selling clones to open buy orders from the various offices in the system. And the offices could transfer clones from one system to the next either to other systems' office buy orders (with a strict movement cost penalty) or their own districts in another system.

You create a couple of new skills:

Corporation Facilities Management x8 (Corporation can run 1 office at each level- up to 5 offices)
Corporate Trade Relations x4 (can have +1 clone buy/sell order at each level)

Offices would create a secondary clone market, which could raise the amount that players could earn from clones captured/created. Prices would obviously be between the genolution biomass-sell cost and the deployment pack cost.

What could be even more interesting is, if clones could be awarded as loot/salvage to individual players in FW. Then local offices throughout FW systems could buy groups of clones, which it could then use to start a FW battle of its own choosing.

Created a feedback thread for this idea

Jeez I can't believe I actually read this thread.

-conflict good. farming bad

-more districts anytime soon would just give the big blue donut 2 cronos/rofl more districts/isk

-Imps have lots of EU members/Nyain San so we planned a head of time to fight on all region timers (Don't QQ if you didn't)

-CCP needs to be able to expand the ability to beachhead with gen packs not remove them. All that would do is benefit the blue donut to force trench warfare on the front lines so they can farm isk behind it.

I'm am really starting to think most of you don't want to actually fight you just want to earn isk. PC is a failure in design because it rewards farming over fighting.

smh @ girls who just want to play Farmville on ps3

CCP would be wise to find a way to give a bigger chunk of the player base something to fight over. PC is nice and all, but really its dominated by a small percentage of the players.

Its hard to find a way to make a "noob" PC for smaller corps that wouldnt just be rolled over. I suppose you could have a "tax" on districts that taxes by the member. But then elite corps would still dominate, and bigger alliances could just have proxy corps to participate.

Current PC is cool, but for the health of the game, there should be something "meta" for smaller/less elite corps. I suppose FW would be it, but right now its handled so poorly there is zero reason to participate in it other than for the ease of getting larger groups of the same corp together.

Yea, we've held a few districts here and there and tried some offensive stuff.

While it looks like a lot of Dust corps hold a ton of space, they actually have the manpower to defend it, so it appears we need more space.

But: would one more region be enough? And if its too much, then that starts giving a lot of passive income to the large entities to own for themselves.

If they want to expand PC (especially to ALL of lowsec) CCP needs to implement a contract system. EVE players need to be able to funnel ISK into the attacks and have Mercenaries (that is what we are supposed to be after all) go and do the ground pounding, but the district remains in the EVE corp's hands. Currently EVE corps REQUIRE Dust guys in their own Alliance to do the work for them for it to give them bonuses and the like... what if they don't care about Dust guys and would rather shell out 200M to a corp to fight over some districts?

I think this would solve any issue with there being too many districts, then CCP can just open up ALL of lowsec in one go.

CCP needs to be careful when adding more regions for PC. Since we only fight on temperate planets today the addition of maps on other planet types will create a huge influx of districts in Molden Heath alone. If we get more PC regions before new planet types it could make adding new types problematic. As much as I want PC battles closer to Delve it would be better to get the new planets in Molden Heath first.

but aren't the other planets non-temperate? Because of this, wouldn't fighting on them will change drastically?

^This.

Also, for those who are saying the rewards of holding a District are too low, remember the lessons of null-sec in EVE.

If you get too much money for just sitting on something, stagnation becomes the name of the game.

I get your point Ydubbs, but as others have said... PC is cutthroat and not necessarily for everyone. Corps/Clans can still participate in Dust. They can group up and do pubs, or even FW.

I'm sure as the player population grows, CCP will add more planets/districts. Then maybe other corps will have a chance for a piece of the pie.

My one suggestion to CCP would be to change the timers to a range, not just a hard time.

As jump said: right now all you have to do is sequence your timers properly and you can hold a very large number of districts with just a small group of players. (assuming they're good enough to keep winning)

If you change the timers to a range. Maybe something like a 3-hour window. This leaves a district vulnerable for longer, meaning that it would take more players to defend the same number of districts, since players cant just log-in just in time for a scheduled match. They would be on-the-fly. Somebody decides to attack at any point during the window. Your corp gets a 10min warning. You have 10min to get a group together. This probably wouldn't be problem if you only have one or two districts. However if you have 10 districsts, all with a 3-hour window, it takes a lot of manpower to defend those.

Any big name that gets kicked out or beat down too much will simply go to the new region and kick the little corps out
and now it provides a bigger problem cuz it creates LESS conflict because the big boys will spread out pwn the nubs

Another region isnt the answer atm, maybe more districts in MH

what needs to happen is a proper merc system and raiding system/rewards so ppl dont always have to grab grab grab
personally i dont want to hold alot of space for EoN. im comfortable with what we have but that dont mean i wont attack to have fights....raiding needs to be viable.

also keep in mind CRONOS is sitting on a BUNCH of **** they cant hold which also keeps out the little guys

I probably wasn't clear. Your district wouldn't be vulnerable for 24 hours, with a 10min warning. You'd have a scheduled 3-hour window of vulnerability. During this 3-hour window, is when you get your 10min warning.

Example:

Ahrendee schedules their window from 8pm-11pm EST. Another corp may randomly attack at any time during that period. You get a 10min warning (for argument's sake, make it a 30min warning) You have that warning time to get your players out of pubs, or to get them online etc. Not that big of a deal.

Now if you wanted to hold 10 districts, this is where it would be tougher for you. More windows, some of which may overlap, meaning it'd be tougher for you to hold them all since you may have to fight multiple concurrent battles... giving the "little guy" a chance to take one of your districts.

I don't know why you are disregarding all of my numbers above, Ydubbs. The more battles and churn there is in PC the more net loss there is going to be and the harder it is for small corps to sustain. The more battles that occur because of players buying clone packs the higher average clone costs are. The higher average clone costs are the more costly war is in general. The more costly, the less profitable PC is. The less profitable, the more funds are needed from alternative sources...i.e. corp taxes...re: harder it is for small corps.

What it sounds like to me is that we want something out there that lets corps 'own' their distinguishment. All we have at the moment are "pies in space" with names next to them that basically just show that at one point in time, corps had enough organization, opporunity, resources and skill to take the land.

I) There are corps that want land for the isk.
II) There are those that want it for the fights.
III) Then there are those that want it for the glory.

I) is a pipe dream for all but the best-of-the-best.

II) Have other sources to find this...but I think power blocs inhibit the accessibility of good fights, or make them come with a premium. Interestingly, I'm curious of the difference in corp experience with profits from PC compared to the old Corp betting system.

III) If many corps think they can take and hold land forever, the will find, at least now, maintaining the resources to make this possible for PC very difficult.

Add a district cap per corp and open up a new region. Remove ringers from PC.

Sit back, watch powerblocks split apart to deal with the inrush of 90% of the Dust population who wants to play the game, sounds good to me.

PC isn't for carebears. If you're not good enough you don't deserve to be in PC it's as easy as that.

Sure it is, what isn't viable about it? They could introduce it the same way as PI for eve players where as you train a skill to allow another planet to be exploited. It curbs unlimited expansion and promotes competition.

How would that raise player base?

sha-nay-nay

I spelled it in the most unnecessarily complicated way I could manage

That wouldn't promote people to attack, one highly flawed plan....

So, tell me how larger corps will not be able to afford to train up an alt specifically so that they can grab more land. Also tell me how smaller corps will be able afford an alt to do something that larger corps can't.

Please also tell me how having fewer districts in place now (where the playerbase is relatively small), does NOT promote competition while having more districts for a smaller playerbase would.

In case you didn't understand, it's about supply demand. 100 corps fighting over 10 districts yield more competition than 100 corps fighting over 50 districts.

Am in favour of the idea that you can control X amount of districts then after that your attacks are counted as raids

You start off with saying supply and demand is agood way of looking at it, and yet you go on about 10 corps fighting over 10 districts.
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