*Way to go wasting my screen real estate*

I see ppl still getting good kills with it. You were just using a crutch. now it's more for medium range encounters instead of for everything.

YAY!

Lets continue this streak and nerf the Duvolle AR!

Nothing wrong with the standard Duvolle AR, don't get carried away because they removed your crutch.

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Nerfs will never make you good....

Nothing wrong with the standard Duvolle AR, don't get carried away because they removed your crutch.

I see ppl still getting good kills with it. You were just using a crutch. now it's more for medium range encounters instead of for everything.

"Crutch" meaning here "weapon in the game that was so broken that it made everthing else borderline useless"

[quote=EVEry DUSTOID]sorry your OP weapon got balanced. look on the bright side many people wanted the damage nerfed too but CCP said they would try this first.

by the way OP weapons will never make you good either

Maybe you just suck?

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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You can't use CHEATS anymore.

Spray and Pray Douvolle is back baby












Nerfs will never make you good....

Except the nerf didnt really touch anything that would affect it's killing potential in it's intended ranges which means you werent good with it to begin with.

Its still very deadly at medium-long ranges since they didnt touch damage or recoil.

So cutting it's accuracy and clip in half didnt effect it's killing potential? obviously your a ******

Since you are implying you're sooooo good that nerfs don't affect your awesome Dust514 skills, I couldn't help myself but to wonder why you are actually taking the time to start this thread?

If you think that the TAC is dead you weren't that awesome after all?

BTW: Balancing is not the same as nerfing.

Hipfire accuracy. ADS is still pinpoint with the same kick as before.The weapon is pretty much the same as before in its intended niche.

And if you need more than 18 bullets for a kill then you are in desperate need of some excercise.

So cutting it's accuracy and clip in half didnt effect it's killing potential? obviously your a ******

First game on tonight I went 27/7 goodnight you Duvolle tac whoring son's of Bitches lol

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Nerfs will never make you good....

in what dom? LOL

do the math, figure out the damage output for a single clip for every AR and come tell me it's balanced

Even with 18 bullets you cant kill anything? Really? Maybe you shouldnt be using marksmen weapons. I suggest HMG but I'm worried the aiming aspect of HMG might be too much for you.

What's so funny? It was in skirmish actually, my second match was in dom and I went 14/7

Nerfs don't make better players but it does tend to get make the worse players cry when they lose a crutch, now the good players who used the TAC will still be good, and the bad ones will cry

if the bullets dont go where I aim, how am I at fault?

Nerfs don't make better players but it does tend to get make the worse players cry when they lose a crutch, now the good players who used the TAC will still be good, and the bad ones will cry

You're right, aiming is overrated. Bullets should automatically leave the mag and attack whoever you want dead.

"Crutch" meaning here "weapon in the game, that isn't the bumper of an LAV, that actually worked."

clueless

What's hilarious is that it's still perfectly good.

Some of our "top tier" players just don't want to have to use alternate fits for close range instead of just using one gun for everything.

Oh, and PDIGGY, you're just trash no matter what you use. Keep on spamming REs just like in the E3 build.

I feel left out because you seem to quote everyone in order, maybe you are still doing you're math? I'm sorry to disturb your calculations...but I still have no answer to my original question...



He agrees with you that nerfs don't make better players? Yet he is clueless? Is it because your ego got hurt with the second part of his statement?

Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.

That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy.

Okay, get your corp together attack IMPS, we will all use full autos, you all use tacs and see if you can hold the outside letters with your "range" advantage, nobody in your corp would even break 3 kills

*I'm right about everthing i say because i'm better than you*

Or maybe we would - OH **** - use a variety of guns!

I mean, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously? You could barely find anyone using any other weapon than the Tac AR since this build released, we've had many threads up the entire time discussing how it outclasses and renders useless EVERY other weapon in the game besides maybe the Flaylock Pistol, and you actually expect people to care when you cry about your obviously broken favorite asset being given proper balance?

Grow up.

Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?

See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.

Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance.

Accuracy should be determined by the USER not some mathematical formula some nerd made up...

sorry your OP weapon got balanced. look on the bright side many people wanted the damage nerfed too but CCP said they would try this first.

by the way OP weapons will never make you good either

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Nerfs will never make you good....

[Request] Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back I just wasted reading this thread?

QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you

[Request] Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back I just wasted reading this thread?

Prove it, make a video...

Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion

[Request] Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back I just wasted reading this thread?

Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof.

LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.

LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.

Thanks for volunteering your corp to be next up on the chopping block.

I didn't make the claim dumbass

Does the short range Chaingun actually out-damage the long range, semi-auto rifle yet?

No.

Your thread title reads "Tac is dead, congrats!".

That is the initial claim and until you've met your burden of proof you are not in the position to demand proof from people who reject your initial claim.

Nice insult there. Need a tissue?

Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better?

I used it in a PC match it's dead, He's saying people are still good with it yet, I haven't seen anyone do good with it and I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy

Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.

That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy.

1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good)
2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down.
3. Hipfire nerf, fine.
4. ROF nerf, fine.
5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.

Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day.
Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots.
All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?

LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....

L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon.

The proto tac ar also has higer optimal range. Almost all weapons work the way you described from adv to proto. I am happy with the nerf but 18 clip is measly and now the tac ar has the second worst hipfire accuracy, sniper is first lol. I didn't expect themto destroy the hipfire accuracy like that. :(

who is this?

Considering a lot of the top players in the Corp were from my previous clan, it's more like I make them better if anything...

I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links.

Come to think of it, you must be good. Because every time I've ever played with any of your corp mates they are very verbal about how childish, loud, and annoying you are on comms. Since you are a terrible forum troll, being good must be what keeps you around, cause they seem to hate you.

Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do.

All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that.

Proof please

Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close.

Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively.

Lots of claims, no proof....

I'll add u as a contact when I get home and well run together. I can't say they'll all be high scores but if you follow our squad leaders direction well show that its still possible if you'd like. Offer extends to anyone else swell.

All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?

OK we get it, you're good and we should listen to you, can we get back to the TAC balancing? Give us a well written post with numbers and well-explained facts,.... and I'm willing to agree with you and just maybe CCP will agree with you too.

As long as we don't see that this thread is just one big cry-baby-thread. I'm sure you're not a cry-baby.

PS: Since you wanted VARIETY you can't say that you want the old stats back.

Well since the top players chose other weapons over the TAC in clan matches, yes I want the old stats back, just fix the aiming on the other guns...

Well since the top players chose other weapons over the TAC in clan matches, yes I want the old stats back, just fix the aiming on the other guns...

clueless

The nerfed hipfire and ROF would have been perfect to balance the TAR against other guns. Reducing the capacity to 18 is overkill.

I find it hilarious how many people QQ over the nerf, i mean the gun was beast at every distance (CQC to mid-long range) , but i do love how people convince themselves the gun was "balanced" and CCP wouldn't touch it

As for the 18 clip size, that keeps it competitive with the scrambler rifle and even then you don't have to worry about overheating/Jamming (which chews up 5-6 seconds while it cools down).

I'am just glad that the killfeed has some variety to it now.

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Nerfs will never make you good....

Lmao, not a single person in a six page thread has agreed with you and supported your argument, yet you carry on fighting to the death.

Face it, you're butthurt because you've lost your crutch.

CCP can we get a ban for spamming the forums with multiple threads on the same topic? Thanks.

sorry your OP weapon got balanced. look on the bright side many people wanted the damage nerfed too but CCP said they would try this first.

by the way OP weapons will never make you good either

Awesome, finally some Tac Tears to harvest,

dat taste

Yay! Maybe now I can actually stack health and get something of worth out of it. It was absolutely ridiculous how fast Tac's could melt away over 700+ HP from a distance I couldn't even reach with my normal AR.

Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around.

Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around.

1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good)
2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down.
3. Hipfire nerf, fine.
4. ROF nerf, fine.
5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.

Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day.
Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots.
All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Nerfs will never make you good....

I like cats

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Good now I won't have to use the tac I hated using it...and is the scrambler ever going to get a range buff?
















Nerfs will never make you good....

Okay, get your corp together attack IMPS, we will all use full autos, you all use tacs and see if you can hold the outside letters with your "range" advantage, nobody in your corp would even break 3 kills

says the guy who runs around with a flaylock



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt5neL-7zC8

Still the best player in the game

Tac AR was never even OP in the first place...

Nope. It was just that all the other guns were underpowered and these "modded controller" users contributed to "nerfing" the TAR. I honestly say that the TAR still kills just fine.

LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.

LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.

So the question now is do we just slap you around or take all your stuff. Take your ass whooping like a man and we might just take a district. Go and pull in PHI or UPS to fight your battles for you and we will wipe you off the map.








Also whats the weather like on your district I want to make sure I dress weather appropriate

As if you would be in a battle

So the question now is do we just slap you around or take all your stuff. Take your ass whooping like a man and we might just take a district. Go and pull in PHI or UPS to fight your battles for you and we will wipe you off the map.








Also whats the weather like on your district I want to make sure I dress weather appropriate

Heh, the nerf didn't hurt that much, still a very viable weapon.

I am confused what makes a player a scrub?

Also what is the definition of an overpowered weapon or module?

You are correct. Its still a beast of a gun with its 75+ dmg. It's way better than the breach AR in dmg while still having the same ROF so it still rocks at CQC and range, in my opinion. The ROF doesn't really feel that much different to me. If I hadn't known it was nerfed, I wouldn't have noticed.

I wish CCP's practice of the slight nerf this AR received was practiced before the HMG, MD, and laser were nerf hammered. I'll be using the TAC until those three weapons are effective once again. I miss my laser and HMG

By scrub I suppose I should have defined it a bit as it is a somewhat metamorphic phrase depending on the context.

How I meant it:
-a new player to first persons shooters
-an individual whom is ok with using a modded controller and does
-and an individual who runs to the first crutch weapon/armor they can find e.g. t-ar, cad logi ect. ect.


An example of (from what I can tell from their posts) players sans the "scrub" title.



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I'd like some of you guys to define what OP is and What makes a weapon OP?

Is that too much to ask?

When I think of an OP weapon, I think of weapons with no counters or ones that output extreme amounts of damage in comparison to others, Clearly the TAC doesn't or didn't fit that description, so please explain to me what OP is and what makes a weapon OP?


Let's take a look at one of the most OP weapons in the history of shooters,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLnI2NAnT8

One hit kills at every range, requires no scope and fires semi-auto, in a ONE life game.


I think what we see on message board forums is a lot of bad players, players who essentially can't compete and would rather ask for nerfs then get better.

I don't know why TC is upset the TAC is dead.
You ever see one of his vids ?
Dudes aims soo bad he has to use RE's to get a kill against anyone who isn't fresh out of the academy.
Poster boy for SP carrying bad players.

You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....


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Nerfs will never make you good....

Tac had roughly the same output of damage as full autos before nerf, still don't see the problem with the gun, it was beaten by snipers at range and lost to shotguns and HMG in CQC, OP weapons don't have multiple counter's.


Look at the laser from last build, deemed OP by many, Was unbeatable at range and could kill you before you could spawn into your character, TAC could never do that...

Worry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIO8jXtNdg

About

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuBF4_AHDIE

Your

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtNHyy_ATDY

Aim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV8NDBm8lko

I don't know why TC is upset the TAC is dead.
You ever see one of his vids ?
Dudes aims soo bad he has to use RE's to get a kill against anyone who isn't fresh out of the academy.
Poster boy for SP carrying bad players.

Still using my TAC, still loving it, still delivering good results if used correctly.

I think it's time for you to Adapt Mark.....Or die. Your choice.

What does that have to do with how bad you are at dust ?

I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJeajaFF6g

Don't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxFFQsWxJ2M

Care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZC3G2qwlg


I'm better then you and always will be, game has bad ADS mechanics and horrible frame rate, sluggish controls and bad sensitivity settings. There is absolutely no reason not to fire your gun in this game, there is no repercussion for opening fire other then losing bullets. When I can shoot off target and get kills, and aim on target and "miss" what's the point of trying to be precise? Learn your video games young scrub.

I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJeajaFF6g

Don't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxFFQsWxJ2M

Care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZC3G2qwlg


I'm better then you and always will be, game has bad ADS mechanics and horrible frame rate, sluggish controls and bad sensitivity settings. There is absolutely no reason not to fire your gun in this game, there is no repercussion for opening fire other then losing bullets. When I can shoot off target and get kills, and aim on target and "miss" what's the point of trying to be precise? Learn your video games young scrub.

I've played through multiple AR nerfs, Maybe it's your turn to man up and just admit there are better players then you?

You want to put that tac on the battlefield? Corp match? I'll give you 20 mill isk if you can get 7 kills with it in a corp match against us

You weren't even good with it, your a bad player much like everyone else in this game.

Please post your scores and video's of your TAC dominance so I can laugh...

LOL
I like how you haven't posted a Dust video.
I wonder why hahaha.
Ps it's because you can't aim and get carried by your good corp mates.

lmaoo, ok Mark you keep thinking you were the ONLY one doing good with the Duvolle TAC. I'm sure you alone are the reason it got nerfed. So with that said, do us a favor and stfu now, since it's obviously your fault your Win button got nerfed.

GG.

That's the wittiest thing you can come up with?

When responding to stupidity I feel inclined to do the same. It's only polite.

Post that vid of you playing STB so we can see that beastmode aim lol soo bad.

You mean the games where I still lead in kills despite poor servers?

The "nerf" has caused so much movement on the maps now. Thanks CCP!

^Tried to make a nerf TAC video but couldn't

They have no option but to move close with no mid range gun game

Anyone that has played the game as long as you have surely knew it was coming. No nerf video was needed. Have to move on to the next op weapon, which for me is the SMG.

I caught all this hell ppl are giving ex TAC users when I was showing everybody how to manipulate the LR by spawn trapping and camping with the no skill op LR.

Its the nature of the beast diggy.

And I agree with you. The fourms are not a place to decide what changes need to be made. I feel that is why the CPM was created, to gather information from the fourms and from IN GAME by playing with the COMMUNITY, and not just weeding through fourm complaints. I have been playing this game from late july of last year i believe, and have yet played with any current CPM or a member of the DEV team. You have promoted the game through your videos as I have......and I promise the DEV's watch our videos to get an ideal of how the game is operating, they may not comment or adknowledge.

how is the SMG OP?

how is the SMG OP?