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TheMarkOf22
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Posted - 2013.06.09 20:50:00 -
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I'd like some of you guys to define what OP is and What makes a weapon OP?
Is that too much to ask?
When I think of an OP weapon, I think of weapons with no counters or ones that output extreme amounts of damage in comparison to others, Clearly the TAC doesn't or didn't fit that description, so please explain to me what OP is and what makes a weapon OP?
Let's take a look at one of the most OP weapons in the history of shooters,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLnI2NAnT8
One hit kills at every range, requires no scope and fires semi-auto, in a ONE life game.
I think what we see on message board forums is a lot of bad players, players who essentially can't compete and would rather ask for nerfs then get better. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:15:00 -
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The best way I could tell if a weapon is OP and I believe most people do the same is by noticing the amount of players that are using a weapon. Simply by watching which weapon in matches kills the most people is a great way to make a good guess at what is OP. Looking at the stats is also a great way.
The TAC before the ROF reduction and magazine size had the great benefit of short to medium range killing capability, more so than normal CQC and medium ranged weapons. It had approximately the same ROF to that of a regular AR but with more twice the damage per bullet. It also had pin point accuracy when hip firing.
Now it has a ROF to that of the breach AR but still with more damage. It also was reduced in hip fire accuracy and magazine reduction from 24 to 18. For those that never used a rapid fire control mod, it feels near the same but I haven't paid attention to the new decreased hip fire so it could be less effective after the update than I thought.
I thought it needed a damage reduction to match that of full auto AR's, made into full-auto itself, and the magazine size of 60 to match normal ARs. If we're not getting scopes, that could have filled the void.[/quote]
The amount of players using a weapon doesn't=OP, especially in a game where players are LOCKED in a PATH.
Tac had roughly the same output of damage as full autos before nerf, still don't see the problem with the gun, it was beaten by snipers at range and lost to shotguns and HMG in CQC, OP weapons don't have multiple counter's.
Look at the laser from last build, deemed OP by many, Was unbeatable at range and could kill you before you could spawn into your character, TAC could never do that... |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:18:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:I don't know why TC is upset the TAC is dead. You ever see one of his vids ? Dudes aims soo bad he has to use RE's to get a kill against anyone who isn't fresh out of the academy. Poster boy for SP carrying bad players.
Worry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wIO8jXtNdg
About
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuBF4_AHDIE
Your
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtNHyy_ATDY
Aim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV8NDBm8lko |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:31:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:Still using my TAC, still loving it, still delivering good results if used correctly. I think it's time for you to Adapt Mark.....Or die. Your choice.
I've played through multiple AR nerfs, Maybe it's your turn to man up and just admit there are better players then you?
You want to put that tac on the battlefield? Corp match? I'll give you 20 mill isk if you can get 7 kills with it in a corp match against us |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:36:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:What does that have to do with how bad you are at dust ?
I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJeajaFF6g
Don't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxFFQsWxJ2M
Care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZC3G2qwlg
I'm better then you and always will be, game has bad ADS mechanics and horrible frame rate, sluggish controls and bad sensitivity settings. There is absolutely no reason not to fire your gun in this game, there is no repercussion for opening fire other then losing bullets. When I can shoot off target and get kills, and aim on target and "miss" what's the point of trying to be precise? Learn your video games young scrub. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:48:00 -
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lmao now you sound just butthurt, Who said anything about me thinking no one is better than me? if you want to make this topic about me and you in terms of skill level go ahead. But last time I checked this was about the reliability and effectiveness of the Duvolle TAC.
I think you need to stop QQing most of us here used the Duvolle TAC and all of us knew it was OP and none of us cried about it getting nerfed. When you're the only bloody one crying about it, don't you think something is wrong WITH YOU? If you don't think your OP weapon isn't effective anymore then shutup and use something else. Spare us the laughter and trolling we have to do to you.[/quote]
You weren't even good with it, your a bad player much like everyone else in this game.
Please post your scores and video's of your TAC dominance so I can laugh... |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:52:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:LOL I like how you haven't posted a Dust video. I wonder why hahaha. Ps it's because you can't aim and get carried by your good corp mates.
The
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHWJsl35CrQ
Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVUNGsco9GA
Doesn't
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-yeIHrG81Q
Matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EPJ0fHwQGQ
Results
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWRFE_ABpgQ
Are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTqIEf8tRY
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:53:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:
You weren't even good with it, your a bad player much like everyone else in this game.
Please post your scores and video's of your TAC dominance so I can laugh...
lmaoo, ok Mark you keep thinking you were the ONLY one doing good with the Duvolle TAC. I'm sure you alone are the reason it got nerfed. So with that said, do us a favor and stfu now, since it's obviously your fault your Win button got nerfed. GG.
That's the wittiest thing you can come up with? |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 21:56:00 -
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Alina Heart wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:Alina Heart wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:
You weren't even good with it, your a bad player much like everyone else in this game.
Please post your scores and video's of your TAC dominance so I can laugh...
lmaoo, ok Mark you keep thinking you were the ONLY one doing good with the Duvolle TAC. I'm sure you alone are the reason it got nerfed. So with that said, do us a favor and stfu now, since it's obviously your fault your Win button got nerfed. GG. That's the wittiest thing you can come up with? When responding to stupidity I feel inclined to do the same. It's only polite.
Amazingly cunning you are, enjoy your irrelevancy on dust and every other shooter I destroy you on. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:06:00 -
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SENATOR KODOS wrote:Post that vid of you playing STB so we can see that beastmode aim lol soo bad.
You mean the games where I still lead in kills despite poor servers? |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:18:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:The "nerf" has caused so much movement on the maps now. Thanks CCP!
^Tried to make a nerf TAC video but couldn't
They have no option but to move close with no mid range gun game |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:47:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:TheMarkOf22 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:The "nerf" has caused so much movement on the maps now. Thanks CCP! ^Tried to make a nerf TAC video but couldn't They have no option but to move close with no mid range gun game Anyone that has played the game as long as you have surely knew it was coming. No nerf video was needed. Have to move on to the next op weapon, which for me is the SMG. I caught all this hell ppl are giving ex TAC users when I was showing everybody how to manipulate the LR by spawn trapping and camping with the no skill op LR. Its the nature of the beast diggy.
Every single weapon complained about the forums is either nerfed or buffed depending on the cry's, some justified, most not.
But I can't ever remember a game molded by forums that was any good.
Every single AR i've used since closed beta has seen a major nerf to the point of being non-existent, at what point does it become the user's responsibility to create a counter instead of begging devs to make changes that cancel out player skill differential?
The AR's nerf's every single one, does not even fit logically or mathematically in line with other weapons in the same category, CCP's only plan is to attempt to appease the little player base they have left, rather then make a game they envisioned.
That thought process alone makes this game unplayable, If I turn on my game now and everyone in IMPS spec's the same weapon and does good with that weapon for any period of time the gun will be nerfed, So really what's the point of getting good with any gun in this game?
Zipper listened to forum scrubs on MAG, and ruined the game, it's deja vu here. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 22:50:00 -
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But one thing I did do in my videos is to warn people that it would be unwise to get comfortable with the TAC due to the changes that will come "balance"[/quote]
based on the math, the TAC was right inline with all other proto AR's.
OP weapons don't have multiple counters, but I guess it really comes down to playing standard, you see a guy break 10 kills and you think "what a beast" while that's a **** game for every top player. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:00:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:And I agree with you. The fourms are not a place to decide what changes need to be made. I feel that is why the CPM was created, to gather information from the fourms and from IN GAME by playing with the COMMUNITY, and not just weeding through fourm complaints. I have been playing this game from late july of last year i believe, and have yet played with any current CPM or a member of the DEV team. You have promoted the game through your videos as I have......and I promise the DEV's watch our videos to get an ideal of how the game is operating, they may not comment or adknowledge.
Agreed, The CPM's don't even play the game and CCP clearly doesn't either.
They should just quit focusing on balance and fix the core game play mechanics, frame rate, loading screens, audio, controls and adding new game modes and the large scale 24v24+ combat we were promised.
I honestly can't stomach playing the game anymore, it's just so different from a year ago and from what we were promised.
This game had potential, but the community and CCP ruined it. |
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Posted - 2013.06.09 23:03:00 -
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Dengru wrote:how is the SMG OP?
Because haven't you heard if everyone use's a weapon it's OP.
It's only a matter of time before the next weapon is nerfed.
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