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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:00:00 -
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BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links.
Proof please |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:01:00 -
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Savage Duece wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Savage Duece wrote:Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better? Considering a lot of the top players in the Corp were from my previous clan, it's more like I make them better if anything... Come to think of it, you must be good. Because every time I've ever played with any of your corp mates they are very verbal about how childish, loud, and annoying you are on comms. Since you are a terrible forum troll, being good must be what keeps you around, cause they seem to hate you.
Lots of claims, no proof....
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Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
144
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:01:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do. All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that.
Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close.
Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively. |
BL4CK FRIAR
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
76
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:05:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links. Proof please
I'll add u as a contact when I get home and well run together. I can't say they'll all be high scores but if you follow our squad leaders direction well show that its still possible if you'd like. Offer extends to anyone else swell. |
mikegunnz
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:05:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:mikegunnz wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do. All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that. Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close. Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively.
The nerfed hipfire and ROF would have been perfect to balance the TAR against other guns. Reducing the capacity to 18 is overkill. |
Savage Duece
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:07:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Savage Duece wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Savage Duece wrote:Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better? Considering a lot of the top players in the Corp were from my previous clan, it's more like I make them better if anything... Come to think of it, you must be good. Because every time I've ever played with any of your corp mates they are very verbal about how childish, loud, and annoying you are on comms. Since you are a terrible forum troll, being good must be what keeps you around, cause they seem to hate you. Lots of claims, no proof....
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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:12:00 -
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BL4CK FRIAR wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:BL4CK FRIAR wrote:I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links. Proof please I'll add u as a contact when I get home and well run together. I can't say they'll all be high scores but if you follow our squad leaders direction well show that its still possible if you'd like. Offer extends to anyone else swell.
themarkof22
is my dust name, I'll be waiting... |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
The Official Mintchip Fanclub
171
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:13:00 -
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aim for the head, you skilless knobs. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
143
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:17:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote: All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?
Should be in a "buff heavies" thread |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
37
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:17:00 -
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OK we get it, you're good and we should listen to you, can we get back to the TAC balancing? Give us a well written post with numbers and well-explained facts,.... and I'm willing to agree with you and just maybe CCP will agree with you too.
As long as we don't see that this thread is just one big cry-baby-thread. I'm sure you're not a cry-baby.
PS: Since you wanted VARIETY you can't say that you want the old stats back. |
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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:23:00 -
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RKKR wrote:OK we get it, you're good and we should listen to you, can we get back to the TAC balancing? Give us a well written post with numbers and well-explained facts,.... and I'm willing to agree with you and just maybe CCP will agree with you too.
As long as we don't see that this thread is just one big cry-baby-thread. I'm sure you're not a cry-baby.
PS: Since you wanted VARIETY you can't say that you want the old stats back.
Well since the top players chose other weapons over the TAC in clan matches, yes I want the old stats back, just fix the aiming on the other guns... |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
37
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:35:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:RKKR wrote:OK we get it, you're good and we should listen to you, can we get back to the TAC balancing? Give us a well written post with numbers and well-explained facts,.... and I'm willing to agree with you and just maybe CCP will agree with you too.
As long as we don't see that this thread is just one big cry-baby-thread. I'm sure you're not a cry-baby.
PS: Since you wanted VARIETY you can't say that you want the old stats back. Well since the top players chose other weapons over the TAC in clan matches, yes I want the old stats back, just fix the aiming on the other guns...
I'll say it again and think about it this time: maybe everyone used the TAC because they were imbalanced and not used for their intended use? And why were you complaining that there is no variety anymore if your while corp used TACs?
But what you are now telling us is to give us the old TAC back and change the other weapons? (Why couldn't you tell us that in your first post?) Do you mean the aiming? Aiming seems fine except for the laser-rifle or did you mean the range? or something else? Please give us the numbers and explanations? We're not so good as you so we don't know what needs to change .
Would your corp use the other guns instead of the TAC if the other weapons are changed?
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2100
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:37:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Well since the top players chose other weapons over the TAC in clan matches, yes I want the old stats back, just fix the aiming on the other guns...
i still see people using the gun. The gun has a niche now, and not a multi purpose wtfrape everything.
Maybe you just need to get better at using it if you wanna still hold on to your crutch |
Icedslayer
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
86
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:39:00 -
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I find it hilarious how many people QQ over the nerf, i mean the gun was beast at every distance (CQC to mid-long range) , but i do love how people convince themselves the gun was "balanced" and CCP wouldn't touch it
As for the 18 clip size, that keeps it competitive with the scrambler rifle and even then you don't have to worry about overheating/Jamming (which chews up 5-6 seconds while it cools down).
I'am just glad that the killfeed has some variety to it now. |
Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
99
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:49:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Nerfs don't make better players but it does tend to get make the worse players cry when they lose a crutch, now the good players who used the TAC will still be good, and the bad ones will cry clueless
Lmao, not a single person in a three page thread has agreed with you and supported your argument, yet you carry on fighting to the death.
Face it, you're butthurt because you've lost your crutch. |
Summer-Wolf
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
63
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:23:00 -
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The troll is strong in this one.
Gratz. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
144
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:32:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:mikegunnz wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do. All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that. Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close. Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively. The nerfed hipfire and ROF would have been perfect to balance the TAR against other guns. Reducing the capacity to 18 is overkill.
Funny enough when CCP said they were going to nerf magazine size I immediately figured they would drop it down to 20 which is coincidently the standard magazine size of the M14 battle rifle which in RL (and I assume games like COD and Battlefield) is the longer range/higher powered lower ROF assault rifle niche. And they have done pretty much exactly that. |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
94
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:34:00 -
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Icedslayer wrote:I find it hilarious how many people QQ over the nerf, i mean the gun was beast at every distance (CQC to mid-long range) , but i do love how people convince themselves the gun was "balanced" and CCP wouldn't touch it As for the 18 clip size, that keeps it competitive with the scrambler rifle and even then you don't have to worry about overheating/Jamming (which chews up 5-6 seconds while it cools down). I'am just glad that the killfeed has some variety to it now.
Why does your corp forfeit PC matches then? |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
116
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:34:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....
Oh, Wait....
Nerfs will never make you good....
CCP can we get a ban for spamming the forums with multiple threads on the same topic? Thanks.
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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
94
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:34:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Coleman Gray wrote:Nerfs don't make better players but it does tend to get make the worse players cry when they lose a crutch, now the good players who used the TAC will still be good, and the bad ones will cry clueless Lmao, not a single person in a six page thread has agreed with you and supported your argument, yet you carry on fighting to the death. Face it, you're butthurt because you've lost your crutch.
Planets are there to attack, put your money where your mouth is.... |
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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
94
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:37:00 -
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SoCal Ninja wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....
Oh, Wait....
Nerfs will never make you good.... CCP can we get a ban for spamming the forums with multiple threads on the same topic? Thanks.
Eat an RE Socal, trying to get a clan member banned you noob |
SoCal Ninja
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
116
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:38:00 -
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see above post again :P |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
497
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:57:00 -
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charlesnette dalari wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....
Oh, Wait....
Nerfs will never make you good.... sorry your OP weapon got balanced. look on the bright side many people wanted the damage nerfed too but CCP said they would try this first. by the way OP weapons will never make you good either
I'm extremely happy to see something more incremental in terms of adjustments. There is no need to make massive changes all the time,, via all attributes, in emergency mode -- sit down, think about the weapons niche, make sure it fits into its niche, make sure it isn't taking over other niches, and do something INTELLIGENT to remove any unintended OP situation a step at a time.
Not a high priority but it would be nice to use a warm up period with dispersion to stop sniper quick scope activity instead of a wildly swaying barrel upon scoping. If you can steady the damned thing due to the SP investment then you should be able to steady it. It is probably more fun to wait for dispersion to go away than **** around in random directions all the time.
Of course, if moving while scoped it would still make sense to have barrel sway. |
D3LTA Blitzkrieg II
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:14:00 -
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Tac Ar needed to be nerfed, but whos the fool who keeps swinging the pendulum from OP to UP? You cannot nerf ROF, range, and clip size all on the same gun. The Duvolle TAC is now replaced by the Duvolle ar. And whos the fool making ENFORCER class tanks slower and less HP then standard tanks?! O.O |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
515
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:16:00 -
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Yay! Maybe now I can actually stack health and get something of worth out of it. It was absolutely ridiculous how fast Tac's could melt away over 700+ HP from a distance I couldn't even reach with my normal AR. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
71
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:17:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:You did it! now all you guys will be so much better now that people aren't pwning you with it....
Oh, Wait....
Nerfs will never make you good.... Awesome, finally some Tac Tears to harvest, dat taste I got buckets.
The lols.... they just can't be contained.
QQ KACHOO.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
306
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Posted - 2013.06.05 22:18:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Yay! Maybe now I can actually stack health and get something of worth out of it. It was absolutely ridiculous how fast Tac's could melt away over 700+ HP from a distance I couldn't even reach with my normal AR. They will probably still be able to do so. The changes are primarily aimed at CQC.
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Orion Sanjeet
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:09:00 -
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Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:21:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around.
I am confused what makes a player a scrub?
Also what is the definition of an overpowered weapon or module? |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
96
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Posted - 2013.06.06 00:24:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around.
Still never saw an ambush where a player outside NF alliance broke 10+ kills with the TAC before the nerf
Still have yet to see a video of these so called TAC beasts....
The gun was not nerfed, it was killed, anybody who thinks other wise can attack an imperfect district, or squad up and out kill me with it....
Still waiting on that..... |
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