I see ppl still getting good kills with it. You were just using a crutch. now it's more for medium range encounters instead of for everything.

Maybe you just suck?

Except the nerf didnt really touch anything that would affect it's killing potential in it's intended ranges which means you werent good with it to begin with.

Its still very deadly at medium-long ranges since they didnt touch damage or recoil.

Since you are implying you're sooooo good that nerfs don't affect your awesome Dust514 skills, I couldn't help myself but to wonder why you are actually taking the time to start this thread?

If you think that the TAC is dead you weren't that awesome after all?

BTW: Balancing is not the same as nerfing.

Hipfire accuracy. ADS is still pinpoint with the same kick as before.The weapon is pretty much the same as before in its intended niche.

And if you need more than 18 bullets for a kill then you are in desperate need of some excercise.

First game on tonight I went 27/7 goodnight you Duvolle tac whoring son's of Bitches lol

Even with 18 bullets you cant kill anything? Really? Maybe you shouldnt be using marksmen weapons. I suggest HMG but I'm worried the aiming aspect of HMG might be too much for you.

What's so funny? It was in skirmish actually, my second match was in dom and I went 14/7

Nerfs don't make better players but it does tend to get make the worse players cry when they lose a crutch, now the good players who used the TAC will still be good, and the bad ones will cry

You're right, aiming is overrated. Bullets should automatically leave the mag and attack whoever you want dead.

What's hilarious is that it's still perfectly good.

Some of our "top tier" players just don't want to have to use alternate fits for close range instead of just using one gun for everything.

Oh, and PDIGGY, you're just trash no matter what you use. Keep on spamming REs just like in the E3 build.

I feel left out because you seem to quote everyone in order, maybe you are still doing you're math? I'm sorry to disturb your calculations...but I still have no answer to my original question...



He agrees with you that nerfs don't make better players? Yet he is clueless? Is it because your ego got hurt with the second part of his statement?

Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.

That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy.

Or maybe we would - OH **** - use a variety of guns!

I mean, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously? You could barely find anyone using any other weapon than the Tac AR since this build released, we've had many threads up the entire time discussing how it outclasses and renders useless EVERY other weapon in the game besides maybe the Flaylock Pistol, and you actually expect people to care when you cry about your obviously broken favorite asset being given proper balance?

Grow up.

Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?

See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.

Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance.

QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you

Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof.

LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.

Your thread title reads "Tac is dead, congrats!".

That is the initial claim and until you've met your burden of proof you are not in the position to demand proof from people who reject your initial claim.

Nice insult there. Need a tissue?

Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better?

1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good)
2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down.
3. Hipfire nerf, fine.
4. ROF nerf, fine.
5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.

Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day.
Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots.
All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?

I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links.

Come to think of it, you must be good. Because every time I've ever played with any of your corp mates they are very verbal about how childish, loud, and annoying you are on comms. Since you are a terrible forum troll, being good must be what keeps you around, cause they seem to hate you.

I'll add u as a contact when I get home and well run together. I can't say they'll all be high scores but if you follow our squad leaders direction well show that its still possible if you'd like. Offer extends to anyone else swell.

OK we get it, you're good and we should listen to you, can we get back to the TAC balancing? Give us a well written post with numbers and well-explained facts,.... and I'm willing to agree with you and just maybe CCP will agree with you too.

As long as we don't see that this thread is just one big cry-baby-thread. I'm sure you're not a cry-baby.

PS: Since you wanted VARIETY you can't say that you want the old stats back.

I find it hilarious how many people QQ over the nerf, i mean the gun was beast at every distance (CQC to mid-long range) , but i do love how people convince themselves the gun was "balanced" and CCP wouldn't touch it

As for the 18 clip size, that keeps it competitive with the scrambler rifle and even then you don't have to worry about overheating/Jamming (which chews up 5-6 seconds while it cools down).

I'am just glad that the killfeed has some variety to it now.

Lmao, not a single person in a six page thread has agreed with you and supported your argument, yet you carry on fighting to the death.

Face it, you're butthurt because you've lost your crutch.

CCP can we get a ban for spamming the forums with multiple threads on the same topic? Thanks.

Simply, if a good player can make a weapon look OP that doesn't definitely mean that it is OP,if every scrub out there can make it look OP then it requires a nerf. In conclusion the t-ar got nerfed, a few scrubs cried and there was much rejoicing all around.