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Zahle Undt
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:21:00 -
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Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:35:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion
LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:51:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote: I used it in a PC match it's dead, He's saying people are still good with it yet, I haven't seen anyone do good with it and I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy
The Imperfects that I've played against since that corp formed have been many things I dislike (particularly on the forums) but they were at least good at the game, with many weapons and through constant rebalancing and all with little to no QQing about such balancing on these forums (at least that I can remember). That why you started this thread as an alt pup? So that your corp mates didn't see you crying about your KDR crutch being pulled out from under you? But now you have to resort to "I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy" LMAO I think all you prove with that statement is you lean on a second crutch, the actual elite players in your corp.
@xprotoman23x sorry if you expected fear or capitulation from your threat of an attack, but you're not going to get any, its just a game after all. I'd say I look forward to the challenge but I doubt I'll get into that fight when it comes as I am pretty bad at this game. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:56:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.
That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy. The proto tac ar also has higer optimal range. Almost all weapons work the way you described from adv to proto. I am happy with the nerf but 18 clip is measly and now the tac ar has the second worst hipfire accuracy, sniper is first lol. I didn't expect themto destroy the hipfire accuracy like that. :(
That was most of the point, to make it so you couldn't easily just spray and pray the tac at close range. It is a way to nerf the caldari logi Tac build because now it is at least more vulnerable at close ranges, thus encouraging people to use actual assault suits to have a sidearm.
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Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 20:01:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do. All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that.
Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close.
Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.06.05 21:32:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:mikegunnz wrote:Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do. All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that. Why should they do the same damage when they have better range and accuracy? That's the trade off, if you want to do more damage quicker you have to get closer, if you want increased range and accuracy you have to trade some of that killing power. What made the Tac OP was it not having any deficiencies, it was the best at range and in close. Edit: I realize you said they don't need to have the same, but just closer. But I still think a good player with a Tac will still be good its just the mediocre players who thought they were gods of Dust because of an OP gun that will really be affected negatively. The nerfed hipfire and ROF would have been perfect to balance the TAR against other guns. Reducing the capacity to 18 is overkill.
Funny enough when CCP said they were going to nerf magazine size I immediately figured they would drop it down to 20 which is coincidently the standard magazine size of the M14 battle rifle which in RL (and I assume games like COD and Battlefield) is the longer range/higher powered lower ROF assault rifle niche. And they have done pretty much exactly that. |
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