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EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:31:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you
Prove it, make a video... |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:32:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:[Request] Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back I just wasted reading this thread? No refunds. Make a QQ thread about it.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:34:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you Prove it, make a video... Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
142
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:35:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion
LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
36
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:37:00 -
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Full Metal Kitten wrote:[Request] Can I have the 5 minutes of my life back I just wasted reading this thread?
I warned you that this thread was dead . Just have fun with the OP, Maybe he'll confess he's a little bit hurt with the balancing.
Now he is complaining about gun variety, like all TAC users was a big variety.... |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
33
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:40:00 -
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Lol now what are these scrubs going ti use thank you CCP |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:43:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you Prove it, make a video... Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof.
I didn't make the claim dumbass |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:44:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.
You asked for it.... |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1874
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:45:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup.
Thanks for volunteering your corp to be next up on the chopping block. |
Dengru
Red Star. EoN.
9
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:47:00 -
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that's why you shouldn't shitpost alts without knowing who they belong to... |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1825
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:48:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Let me guess OP, you're Tac AR was paired with a Caldari logi suit that you were using like an assault suit? And now you don't have your best at all ranges OP gun and can actually be killed in close where you can no longer just pray and spray with your Tac?
See a player in an actual assault suit won't need the Op Tac AR, the new version will still suit them fine at medium to medium-long range and if someone gets close they'll whip out a SMG, flaylock, or scrambler pistol and be just fine. I can only surmise by your QQing EVEry DUSTOID that you were running a broken combo (like many others) and are now upset your clear advantage is gone.
Sorry, newbie, but we closed Beta vets remember when the Tac ARs were really nerfed, your QQing is going to fall on deaf ears for this rebalance. Your clan is irrelevant so if your opinion LMAO I obviously hit right on the mark. BTW pal they are corporations in Dust not clans. While I don't care about yours or anyone else's opinions on Tritan, we've been here for quite some time, if you think we are so irrelevant, our address is on Klingt VIII come try and take what we got pup. Thanks for volunteering your corp to be next up on the chopping block. Why are you backing PDIGGY22 up? I mean, have you seen his videos? Even with the most broken gun in the game he still can't get kills. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:48:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you Prove it, make a video... Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof. I didn't make the claim dumbass Your thread title reads "Tac is dead, congrats!".
That is the initial claim and until you've met your burden of proof you are not in the position to demand proof from people who reject your initial claim.
Nice insult there. Need a tissue?
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Aurra Field
Goonfeet
19
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:57:00 -
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Does the short range Chaingun actually out-damage the long range, semi-auto rifle yet? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1827
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Posted - 2013.06.05 18:59:00 -
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Aurra Field wrote:Does the short range Chaingun actually out-damage the long range, semi-auto rifle yet? No. |
Aurra Field
Goonfeet
19
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:00:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Aurra Field wrote:Does the short range Chaingun actually out-damage the long range, semi-auto rifle yet? No.
welp |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:00:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:EVEry DUSTOID wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:QQ more im still seeing people use it well :) im sorry your I WIN gun was taken from you Prove it, make a video... Your thread title, your claim, your burden of proof. I didn't make the claim dumbass Your thread title reads " Tac is dead, congrats!". That is the initial claim and until you've met your burden of proof you are not in the position to demand proof from people who reject your initial claim. Nice insult there. Need a tissue?
I used it in a PC match it's dead, He's saying people are still good with it yet, I haven't seen anyone do good with it and I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy |
Savage Duece
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:35:00 -
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Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better? |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:44:00 -
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Savage Duece wrote:Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better?
Considering a lot of the top players in the Corp were from my previous clan, it's more like I make them better if anything... |
Hey Fatty
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
27
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:46:00 -
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***Throws a chair*** =3 |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION
415
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:48:00 -
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It was a crutch plain and simple.
Now it does it's job, a medium range TACTICAL weapon |
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mikegunnz
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:49:00 -
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1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good) 2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down. 3. Hipfire nerf, fine. 4. ROF nerf, fine. 5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.
Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day. Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots. All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense? |
Don Von Hulio
Not Guilty EoN.
285
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:51:00 -
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LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:51:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote: I used it in a PC match it's dead, He's saying people are still good with it yet, I haven't seen anyone do good with it and I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy
The Imperfects that I've played against since that corp formed have been many things I dislike (particularly on the forums) but they were at least good at the game, with many weapons and through constant rebalancing and all with little to no QQing about such balancing on these forums (at least that I can remember). That why you started this thread as an alt pup? So that your corp mates didn't see you crying about your KDR crutch being pulled out from under you? But now you have to resort to "I'm in the TOP CORP, That's the proof dummy" LMAO I think all you prove with that statement is you lean on a second crutch, the actual elite players in your corp.
@xprotoman23x sorry if you expected fear or capitulation from your threat of an attack, but you're not going to get any, its just a game after all. I'd say I look forward to the challenge but I doubt I'll get into that fight when it comes as I am pretty bad at this game. |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
55
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:52:00 -
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Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.
That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy.
The proto tac ar also has higer optimal range. Almost all weapons work the way you described from adv to proto. I am happy with the nerf but 18 clip is measly and now the tac ar has the second worst hipfire accuracy, sniper is first lol. I didn't expect themto destroy the hipfire accuracy like that. :( |
EVEry DUSTOID
United Planetary Soldiers
93
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:53:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good) 2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down. 3. Hipfire nerf, fine. 4. ROF nerf, fine. 5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.
Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day. Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots. All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense?
who is this? |
mikegunnz
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:54:00 -
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Don Von Hulio wrote:LOL all these people mad about the clip size. Oh noes, you have to reload now when shooting a heavy.... how sad. I like how you are not factoring headshots....
L2P like everyone else without a noob cannon.
Clearly math is not your strongest subject. The Tac Ars now do around 60-65% of the damage output per magazine that the other ARs do.
All ARs don't need to have the same dmg per magazine, but it should be closer than that. |
BL4CK FRIAR
HDYLTA Defiant Legacy
76
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:56:00 -
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I went 24/3 with my glu-5 this morning before work and the short range nerf isn't to painful. The tar is still the best gun IMO for logogi suits who should be behind their pals, picking them up, repping and dropping links. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
143
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:56:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:Zeravla Hsoj wrote:Honestly I can understand peoples frustrations going against the tactical AR. Yes it was too powerful at close range and yes its almost too powerful all around, but this nerf is still hardly justifiable. It's overpowerdness for lack of a better word derived from hip fire despurtion and hp damage alone. Not the ROF and the clip size. This barely effects a modded controllers advantage and cripples the weapon. In no way does it equalize it. It's a single fire assault rifle. It's meant to have high range and high accuracy. And yes it's meant to be fired as fast as you can pull the trigger. That's what they do. Plus nobody seems to realize the fact that now the prototype TAR is identical to the advanced level TAR in every way except a slight damage increase, but still costs almost 4x as much. And did everyone forget that nobody used the TAR in the last build? It had the same ROF and the same hip fire despurtion so why was it not "OP" then? Because the DAMAGE was LOWER. Lower the damage and hip fire accuracy and everyone would be happy. Im extremely disappointed in CCP finally deciding to humor the casuals that scream OP everytime they get killed. CCP never paid much attention to you whiners since you all have the option to skill into these weapons.
That being said... Why is this nerf so strongly requested while there's still Dust vets out there losing +160,000 isk suits to militia mass drivers fresh out of the academy. The proto tac ar also has higer optimal range. Almost all weapons work the way you described from adv to proto. I am happy with the nerf but 18 clip is measly and now the tac ar has the second worst hipfire accuracy, sniper is first lol. I didn't expect themto destroy the hipfire accuracy like that. :(
That was most of the point, to make it so you couldn't easily just spray and pray the tac at close range. It is a way to nerf the caldari logi Tac build because now it is at least more vulnerable at close ranges, thus encouraging people to use actual assault suits to have a sidearm.
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mikegunnz
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:56:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:mikegunnz wrote:1. PDiggy is a skilled player. (not as good as me, but really good) 2. Tac was OP. Sure it needed to be toned down. 3. Hipfire nerf, fine. 4. ROF nerf, fine. 5. Mag capacity nerf, questionable. 24 rounds might have been ok, but 18 is stupid. Gun is now crap.
Why? Use your brain. A good player will probably be able to hit with 2/3 of their shots on any AVERAGE day. Duv Tact has 78 dmg per round x 18 rounds, means 1404 dmg per magazine. 2/3 of that is around 927dmg. This means that a GOOD player, cant kill a heavy with one magazine. They'll barely be able to kill a tanked assault if they hit 2/3 of their shots. All the other ARs can EASILY kill a Heavy with one magazine. Might even have enough left over to kill an assault without reloading. How does this make sense? who is this?
lol, doubt you know me. (don't play that much) was in PFB.
PS. #1 is just me pokin' fun. chillax. |
Savage Duece
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.06.05 19:58:00 -
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EVEry DUSTOID wrote:Savage Duece wrote:Wow, a whole lot of your self esteem seems to be tied to being an Imperfect. Be honest, do you make them better or do they make you better? Considering a lot of the top players in the Corp were from my previous clan, it's more like I make them better if anything... Come to think of it, you must be good. Because every time I've ever played with any of your corp mates they are very verbal about how childish, loud, and annoying you are on comms. Since you are a terrible forum troll, being good must be what keeps you around, cause they seem to hate you. |
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