Before it gets too out of hand let me explain a short bit of what the CPM has been trying to do for the last few weeks.

Right now the CPM is in a very odd situation, we have a new studio that well for most matters and intents do not really know what to do with us. The CPM would like to mimic the CSM whose workload is rather well lets say drowning. However the Studio in Shanghai well new at many of things including making FPS games.

CPM for the last two weeks has been trying to get on the line with CCP and right now CCP is as usual with many things slow to do things but hopefully starting soon the CPM will be able to start proving its worth to CCP as well as your guy's feedback on issues.

There is now a meeting to be scheduled soon asking for feedback of specific parts of the game with the team involved. If successful this may open up other teams to start approaching the CPM and the Community for feedback.

Not all of CCP Shanghai is bad at listening, there are quite a few reluctant to try though.

So now you understand the statement in IRC a bit, I certainly hope that the changes are genuine and changing and I hopefully will not have to repeat this statement in the future.

If they listen to us
they are listening to the wrong people (Cod fanboys, brainless QQrs...)

Oh yea?

And exactly what is on the agenda for the CPM to communicate to CCP?

No generalizations like "player feedback" please... specifically what are you guys on the CPM going to request CCP do?

What is the purpose of the meeting, to get CCP iceland involved, to get CCP shanghai to listen more, to attempt to address more issues already mentioned?

The "CPM" is dumb. Why does there even need to be a middle man when you can just you know.... log in the forums and just read, or play your own damn game.

CPM might as well be a perk you get when you buy an Elite Pack so you can have the nifty little tag in the forums and get more likes no matter what the post is.

They have been listening to us?

A year and a half we have slightly better graphics same 3 maps. And a planetary Map added to skirmish to call it pc.

Uprising is a total flop top to bottom. If they don't want to listen to us then listen to my wallet close.

I'm finding playing anything but PC matches pretty tough I'm starting to care less who they listen too time is running out.

In my honest opinion I think its more of a demonstration of what the CPM can do for CCP. I am sure CCP Iceland already had the talk with CCP Shanghai over Dust but CPM don't sit at those sort of meetings.

In my honest opinion I think its more of a demonstration of what the CPM can do for CCP. I am sure CCP Iceland already had the talk with CCP Shanghai over Dust but CPM don't sit at those sort of meetings.

INB4 IWS has a meltdown.

I can safely say CCP has already took a step back since launch and changing for the better.

Just the process does take time and well that's why there seems to be a current deep void spot there is now.

I am a bit weirded out that the CCP Shanghai I might see in a few more weeks will be an entirely different monster that I currently know since I started my CPM 0 Term.

Will this monster be good or bad?

Only the magic Crystal Ball Knows.

Its like you when you were 5 years old. What did you want to be when you grow up can often be entirely different than what happened.

You're right we only have played 1000s of hours of games in our lifetimes yet we know nothing about games because we never designed a game before, smh?
Sorry there is a difference between ignorance and learned experience. We know what works well and what doesn't in terms of gameplay because most of us have played games most our lives.


More often than not however and what you mean to say is bad players don't know good game design but often carry the loudest voice because there are so many more bad players then good.


Uncharted patch 1.04 is the biggest example of this i can think of aside from this game especially from the time EVE players started coming in prior to last August and decided they knew how to make a great FPS with all their years of playing spaceship MMO.

Yes we have 1000's of hours of experience. We also have thousands of ideas and opinions. Many of which are mutually exclusive or directly counteract the advantages of certain ideas. If they just implemented what we wanted the game would become ridiculous.

Listening to players or not wasn't the problem. The problem was listening to the players en masse and collectively. If anything CCP should listen to fewer players. Ones that they feel are both objective and able to consider a point from many angles. They should be more discerning. They will still get different ideas and opinions - but more constructive and balanced ones. The current state of the forums and player feedback resembles the US political system. Not a lot gets done.

just my 2c.. there needs to be a lot more CCP - Player interaction going on.

Take a look at how Trion handled and developed the first year of rift. The devs were constantly explaining the math and logic behind everything they were doing to balance that game, and the player base gave meaningful and constructive feedback as well as tons of angry and criticizing QQ that was written purely out of spite.

However, **** got done and people felt they were being listened to to some extent.

The biggest reason why there is so much negativity on this forum is because there is a complete lack of information from CCP on what is going on for the next, say 4 weeks. All we get is a week update with 5-6 bullet points saying 'we are looking into it'.

Then out of nowhere, we get a drastic balance change drop on us without any sort of warning. A lot of times its a change that is not reflecting the needs and wants of the playerbase, and then a weapon, that someone has spent WEEKS grinding out becomes pretty much useless. The only reason we've all been okay thus far is the constant respecs are allowing us to get out of poorly balanced dropsuits/weapons and not destroying weeks/months worth of SP accumulation.

We are not a bunch of retards who can't do math or help theorize balance issues. Yes, everyone is gonna have their own bias, but if CCP would release balance change information the moment they had it finalized and weeks before deployment, in order to get general feedback. The playerbase would feel SO much better about this game.

Honestly, we still have no hard information on the range fix and tac ar nerf, however these things are scheduled to deploy relatively soon from what I can see.

Why not release the numbers for this? Why would it hurt to have a little balance transparency while you are making your changes?

If the CPM needs to be the vehicle for Dev - Player interaction, that is totally fine. We just need something, because as it stands, the player base feels like they are being completely ignored, while a game they are invested in crumbles around them.

TL;DR - The player base is frustrated with the lack of dev interaction, and pulling out completely will only make things much much worse.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here IWS

CPM0 main purpose was to help build the stepping stones to a player elected council, which BTW I have still not seen one single draft.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here IWS

CPM0 main purpose was to help build the stepping stones to a player elected council, which BTW I have still not seen one single draft.

and we (the CPM) is just as frustrated at times. I just hope the CCP we start meeting with is the start of something better. I mean after all Eve online was not the only thing that has constantly evolved and got better over the years. CCP has evolved along with it. I am quite sure the same drive will affect the Dust 514 studio as well.

Right right, however I don't want CPM 1's day one feeling utterly useless on their portion either. There is quite a bit of foundation building going on right now.