What is bothersome is that you seem to imply that the old team use to listen to the community....and right now we have a sh*t game.

Perhaps the CPM should realize that it might be a good idea for CCP to stop listening if listening has given the result we have today.

Oh yea?

And exactly what is on the agenda for the CPM to communicate to CCP?

No generalizations like "player feedback" please... specifically what are you guys on the CPM going to request CCP do?

What is the purpose of the meeting, to get CCP iceland involved, to get CCP shanghai to listen more, to attempt to address more issues already mentioned?

The "CPM" is dumb. Why does there even need to be a middle man when you can just you know.... log in the forums and just read, or play your own damn game.

CPM might as well be a perk you get when you buy an Elite Pack so you can have the nifty little tag in the forums and get more likes no matter what the post is.

Will this monster be good or bad?

Yes we have 1000's of hours of experience. We also have thousands of ideas and opinions. Many of which are mutually exclusive or directly counteract the advantages of certain ideas. If they just implemented what we wanted the game would become ridiculous.

Listening to players or not wasn't the problem. The problem was listening to the players en masse and collectively. If anything CCP should listen to fewer players. Ones that they feel are both objective and able to consider a point from many angles. They should be more discerning. They will still get different ideas and opinions - but more constructive and balanced ones. The current state of the forums and player feedback resembles the US political system. Not a lot gets done.

just my 2c.. there needs to be a lot more CCP - Player interaction going on.

Take a look at how Trion handled and developed the first year of rift. The devs were constantly explaining the math and logic behind everything they were doing to balance that game, and the player base gave meaningful and constructive feedback as well as tons of angry and criticizing QQ that was written purely out of spite.

However, **** got done and people felt they were being listened to to some extent.

The biggest reason why there is so much negativity on this forum is because there is a complete lack of information from CCP on what is going on for the next, say 4 weeks. All we get is a week update with 5-6 bullet points saying 'we are looking into it'.

Then out of nowhere, we get a drastic balance change drop on us without any sort of warning. A lot of times its a change that is not reflecting the needs and wants of the playerbase, and then a weapon, that someone has spent WEEKS grinding out becomes pretty much useless. The only reason we've all been okay thus far is the constant respecs are allowing us to get out of poorly balanced dropsuits/weapons and not destroying weeks/months worth of SP accumulation.

We are not a bunch of retards who can't do math or help theorize balance issues. Yes, everyone is gonna have their own bias, but if CCP would release balance change information the moment they had it finalized and weeks before deployment, in order to get general feedback. The playerbase would feel SO much better about this game.

Honestly, we still have no hard information on the range fix and tac ar nerf, however these things are scheduled to deploy relatively soon from what I can see.

Why not release the numbers for this? Why would it hurt to have a little balance transparency while you are making your changes?

If the CPM needs to be the vehicle for Dev - Player interaction, that is totally fine. We just need something, because as it stands, the player base feels like they are being completely ignored, while a game they are invested in crumbles around them.

TL;DR - The player base is frustrated with the lack of dev interaction, and pulling out completely will only make things much much worse.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here IWS

CPM0 main purpose was to help build the stepping stones to a player elected council, which BTW I have still not seen one single draft.

This took ten years, most Dust players don't have ten years to wait.

But, no, you're probably totally informed or else you wouldn't comment.

This thread is missing anime.

And I'd like to remind people the CPM is the bridge of gap of communications between us and CCP - cut them down only works to widen that gap further. It may be bad business practice - but it's unavoidable if you consider the small team CCP uses to make these games.

IWS is... just a terrible PR - and so is Jenza - and they're the two most active posters to the community - so ofc CPM looks like trash. But the fact is neither of them explain truly what it is they really even do with this information and many are concerned there lack of experience and bad posts will reflect onto CCP and things will get worse.

Shame no real community man like myself is on CPM who can handle all of the bullshit around here ;)

I think people are frustrated with the lack of communication. The vague dev posts that raised more questions than answers were fine in beta, bu this isn't beta anymore. For example, look at EVE online's patch notes whenever a new build comes out and look at the Swiss cheese we got for uprising. That's not good communication and the reason behind most knee jerk reactions. Now that this game is released, we need things to be a little more specific not only to us who survived beta, but new players that have no idea what this game is trying to be. We need timelines, facts, figures, numbers... spreadsheets!

Instead, we're still gettin the same old Mickey Mouse banter about trees and flowers.