DUST Search - Dear players, shut up.

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Before it gets too out of hand let me explain a short bit of what the CPM has been trying to do for the last few weeks.

Right now the CPM is in a very odd situation, we have a new studio that well for most matters and intents do not really know what to do with us. The CPM would like to mimic the CSM whose workload is rather well lets say drowning. However the Studio in Shanghai well new at many of things including making FPS games.

CPM for the last two weeks has been trying to get on the line with CCP and right now CCP is as usual with many things slow to do things but hopefully starting soon the CPM will be able to start proving its worth to CCP as well as your guy's feedback on issues.

There is now a meeting to be scheduled soon asking for feedback of specific parts of the game with the team involved. If successful this may open up other teams to start approaching the CPM and the Community for feedback.

Not all of CCP Shanghai is bad at listening, there are quite a few reluctant to try though.

So now you understand the statement in IRC a bit, I certainly hope that the changes are genuine and changing and I hopefully will not have to repeat this statement in the future.

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Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1879	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:13:00 - [1] - Quote 2013-06-03 4:48:57 PM) Ironwolf: wrote: Right now CCP Shanghai is at a point they don't want to listen to you guys and they're just as reluctant to listent ot the CPM Don't worry guys. CCP Shanghai is on this. The poor reviews are clearly the result of listening to us too hard and they've realised that our feedback is worthless. We're sorry for ruining your game, CCP. You are free to implement your brilliant ideas without our feedback now.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens 114	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:16:00 - [2] - Quote Link to were this comes from?
JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 472	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:17:00 - [3] - Quote Who wants to see my shocked face?
SoTah Pawp Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:17:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Link to were this comes from? It's IRC.
omega 015 Reaper Galactic ROFL BROS 15	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:17:00 - [5] - Quote I would never listen to any fanbase. The fans have zero experience with game design but they still listen to us.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 476	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:18:00 - [6] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: 2013-06-03 4:48:57 PM) Ironwolf: wrote: Right now CCP Shanghai is at a point they don't want to listen to you guys and they're just as reluctant to listent ot the CPM Don't worry guys. CCP Shanghai is on this. The poor reviews are clearly the result of listening to us too hard and they've realised that our feedback is worthless. We're sorry for ruining your game, CCP. You are free to implement your brilliant ideas without our feedback now. It couldn't be that they are tired of childish antics and temper tantrums in the forums all the time?
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1879	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:18:00 - [7] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Link to were this comes from? http://mibbit.com/#[email protected]
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 55	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:19:00 - [8] - Quote I think we can agree that CCP has the right to make their game a failure. I will probably be 1 of the 1000 people playing this when PS4 hits. Waiting for MGS5/ importing Japanese titles <3
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 358	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:20:00 - [9] - Quote WOW
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1879	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:24:00 - [10] - Quote FTR: This came up while Ironwolf was being a scholar and a gentleman in soliciting feedback about game events.

Driftward Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 134	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:26:00 - [11] - Quote Sadly those rare gems of good threads that are constructive and balanced get swallowed in the morass of QQing and BS. Everyone needs to take a step back and understand that just because CCP might listen to us once in a while doesn't mean that YOUR playstyle should be best one and that the more you shout the less CCP will listen. I wish we had access to more of the data that CCP uses to balance the game though (ie deaths by specific weapons, suit, module use and purchases. anonymous clearly but I think that would temper some of the idiocy. Use math to shut down arguments etc...)
Azri Sarum 843 Boot Camp 28	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:32:00 - [12] - Quote Anyone else disappointed at a comment like that? I know these forums can be toxic, even hostile at times. Its because people see the potential DUST has and how we have a long way to go. They are frustrated. Despite that, there are threads piled upon threads constructively discussing the problems that dust faces. Creative solutions have been proposed and poked at from every angle. The community is trying. If there is a point of failure that I can see its that the devs are nowhere to be seen on these forums (Outside of CCP FoxFore trolling for likes =P). Drop a question now and then, crack a joke, heck just plain old troll us, something. EVE only has the success it has with dev / player communication because they have spent years building up a relationship. You can't do that staying quiet.
HowDidThatTaste Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2603	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:34:00 - [13] - Quote They have been listening to us? A year and a half we have slightly better graphics same 3 maps. And a planetary Map added to skirmish to call it pc. Uprising is a total flop top to bottom. If they don't want to listen to us then listen to my wallet close. I'm finding playing anything but PC matches pretty tough I'm starting to care less who they listen too time is running out.
WhiteMage7322 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:36:00 - [14] - Quote CCP should just focus on the game and not pay attention to anyone until they want to hear feedback from the public. Dust isn't the best but bit by bit it is improving. Yea, sure there is some bugs in the game but I would not like it knowing that 24/7 someone is shouting saying, "Thiz g4m3 15 fuLL 0F 8uGs U SUX CPP." I say cough close the forum for a while cough so no one whines about the smallest things in the game. When the servers were down there was a few people if not more getting pissed at CCP saying that the severs being down is their fault. If true or not, there isn't much you can do unless you work with them. Nothing is perfect and there will be ups and down in life. If you get mad when Dust is offline, then you need to get out more, walk your pet, workout, watch TV, anything is fine and without a few days of Dust isn't a bad thing too. We should be happy that we have Dust. Perfect or not but this could be a big thing if we let CCP take care of their game without spamming the forum about what is OP or bugged. If anyone has something to say about the game or bugs, make thread on the Feedback/Request and Technical Support/Bugs only if there isn't a thread about it already. TL:DR: Don't spam on things that everyone already knows and help CCP without being a Troll.
Templar Renegade213 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:58:00 - [15] - Quote It was Plymco_Pilgrim He did it, seriously he has 18 alts and is trolling anything not in his grand plan.
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 165	Posted - 2013.06.04 01:59:00 - [16] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: They have been listening to us? A year and a half we have slightly better graphics same 3 maps. And a planetary Map added to skirmish to call it pc. Uprising is a total flop top to bottom. If they don't want to listen to us then listen to my wallet close. I'm finding playing anything but PC matches pretty tough I'm starting to care less who they listen too time is running out.
EKH0 0ne R.I.f.t 55	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:01:00 - [17] - Quote Another kiss butt QQ thread....Shocker
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1597	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:03:00 - [18] - Quote Dear Mith. Stahp. CCP Shanghai.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 194	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:04:00 - [19] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: 2013-06-03 4:48:57 PM) Ironwolf: wrote: Right now CCP Shanghai is at a point they don't want to listen to you guys and they're just as reluctant to listent ot the CPM Don't worry guys. CCP Shanghai is on this. The poor reviews are clearly the result of listening to us too hard and they've realized that our feedback is worthless. We're sorry for ruining your game, CCP. You are free to implement your brilliant ideas without our feedback now. It would be interesting to see if it was player feedback that got CCP to nerf all the stuff they nerfed. If it was then yes the players who recommended the nerfs should shut he hell up. Also plenty of players defend the crap Sp/leveling system in this game...they should shut up as well. But yeah this is CCP's game and if it fails it is their own fault...not the fault of people who play and comment on it.
Gunner Nightingale Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 674	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote omega 015 wrote: I would never listen to any fanbase. The fans have zero experience with game design but they still listen to us. You're right we only have played 1000s of hours of games in our lifetimes yet we know nothing about games because we never designed a game before, smh? Sorry there is a difference between ignorance and learned experience. We know what works well and what doesn't in terms of gameplay because most of us have played games most our lives. More often than not however and what you mean to say is bad players don't know good game design but often carry the loudest voice because there are so many more bad players then good. Uncharted patch 1.04 is the biggest example of this i can think of aside from this game especially from the time EVE players started coming in prior to last August and decided they knew how to make a great FPS with all their years of playing spaceship MMO.

Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1040	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:10:00 - [21] - Quote I thought they stop listening to us in beta, seemed pretty obvious to me. Most of the things the player base mentioned they did nothing about: moving across terrain, framerate/memory leaks, network disconnections. They have improved the game though, it's "better" than it was in beta. Hopefully Ironwolf is just being his egotistical self and talking about things he knows nothing about. Because if his comment is true... Why did we even have a beta? If they don't listen to the players and CCP doesn't internally test it's own game thoroughly both of which I think is true... what is going to make this game a success? If they think the 7k player base right now is going to follow the curve of EVE and slowly go upwards, I'd say this must be their first time in the FPS market...
Mithridates VI IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 1892	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:11:00 - [22] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: You're right we only have played 1000s of hours of games in our lifetimes yet we know nothing about games because we never designed a game before, smh? I don't ring up Holden and tell them to connect hoses and wires up together in a different order, but they sure as hell better listen when I tell them that the placement of the cupholder is awkward and that the handling of the vehicle feels shaky around corners.
CASHERN X2 DIOS X. II 24	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:16:00 - [23] - Quote Sorry CCP, sorry you can't handle us yelling in your ear 24/7 to fix critical and basic issues. But before you start tuning us out, here's a suggestion for you.... FIX THE ISSUES AND MAYBE WE'LL STOP YELLING SO MUCH!!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4854	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:19:00 - [24] - Quote Before it gets too out of hand let me explain a short bit of what the CPM has been trying to do for the last few weeks. Right now the CPM is in a very odd situation, we have a new studio that well for most matters and intents do not really know what to do with us. The CPM would like to mimic the CSM whose workload is rather well lets say drowning. However the Studio in Shanghai well new at many of things including making FPS games. CPM for the last two weeks has been trying to get on the line with CCP and right now CCP is as usual with many things slow to do things but hopefully starting soon the CPM will be able to start proving its worth to CCP as well as your guy's feedback on issues. There is now a meeting to be scheduled soon asking for feedback of specific parts of the game with the team involved. If successful this may open up other teams to start approaching the CPM and the Community for feedback. Not all of CCP Shanghai is bad at listening, there are quite a few reluctant to try though. So now you understand the statement in IRC a bit, I certainly hope that the changes are genuine and changing and I hopefully will not have to repeat this statement in the future.
Sephirian Fair Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:25:00 - [25] - Quote Wow, if this is true, that is beyond pathetic. There's a lot of **** on this forums with people over-reacting, but considering other FPS forums, this stuff is mild. There are actual, well-thought out suggestions/discussions concerning very criticial/important aspects about this game. The crap I read on the Battlelog forums for BF3's first year was 10x worse than this. There is actual discussion here... It isn't even hard to find the good, well thought out suggestions. If their Shanghai offices are already "shutting down" mentally because of criticisms, it's time to clean house or tell them to HTFU. Their failures are all their own and unless they start playing their own damn game, they need to listen to their players.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 195	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:27:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Before it gets too out of hand let me explain a short bit of what the CPM has been trying to do for the last few weeks. Right now the CPM is in a very odd situation, we have a new studio that well for most matters and intents do not really know what to do with us. The CPM would like to mimic the CSM whose workload is rather well lets say drowning. However the Studio in Shanghai well new at many of things including making FPS games. CPM for the last two weeks has been trying to get on the line with CCP and right now CCP is as usual with many things slow to do things but hopefully starting soon the CPM will be able to start proving its worth to CCP as well as your guy's feedback on issues. There is now a meeting to be scheduled soon asking for feedback of specific parts of the game with the team involved. If successful this may open up other teams to start approaching the CPM and the Community for feedback. Not all of CCP Shanghai is bad at listening, there are quite a few reluctant to try though. So now you understand the statement in IRC a bit, I certainly hope that the changes are genuine and changing and I hopefully will not have to repeat this statement in the future. What is bothersome is that you seem to imply that the old team use to listen to the community....and right now we have a sh*t game. Perhaps the CPM should realize that it might be a good idea for CCP to stop listening if listening has given the result we have today.
Don Von Hulio Not Guilty EoN. 272	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:27:00 - [27] - Quote I hope this game burns and then buried with that old crappy E.T. game.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1856	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:28:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There is now a meeting to be scheduled soon asking for feedback of specific parts of the game with the team involved. If successful this may open up other teams to start approaching the CPM and the Community for feedback. No offense Ironwolf, but if they ask questions like "what do you think about X (like say caldari logi, tac rifle, etc)?" I will lose every ounce of respect you still muster if you give them any opinion besides ASK THE COMMUNITY in a controlled manner. None of you have the 1000's of hours some of us have in individual playstyles, and some of you don't admit how little they know. If you catch youself thinking "Well this is bad, did you consider this... etc." STOP and think about is this something CCP needs to keep behind closed doors. If the answer is no, please remind them that you have plenty of legitimate functions and concerns to talk over and direct them to address the playerbase as is proper.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 4854	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:31:00 - [29] - Quote hooc order wrote: What is bothersome is that you seem to imply that the old team use to listen to the community....and right now we have a sh*t game. Perhaps the CPM should realize that it might be a good idea for CCP to stop listening if listening has given the result we have today. There are quite a few developers striving to talk with us frequently. For example. Shout out to CCP Logic Loop on this manner, if you guys ever get stuck anywhere on a map or something weird is happening on a map you can normally catch him in IRC. There are however some CCP folks that the CPM would love to talk from Dust 514's top down on many many many subjects and trying to talk to them is well... very elusive or blank stares. It's hard to describe but the feeling of not being payed attention to is getting to some members of the CPM already.
Cyn Bruin Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1041	Posted - 2013.06.04 02:32:00 - [30] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CPM for the last two weeks has been trying to get on the line with CCP and right now CCP is as usual with many things slow to do things but hopefully starting soon the CPM will be able to start proving its worth to CCP as well as your guy's feedback on issues. Oh yea? And exactly what is on the agenda for the CPM to communicate to CCP? No generalizations like "player feedback" please... specifically what are you guys on the CPM going to request CCP do?



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