I can't believe i just read this...

the highest I went was just under 700k ISK but I kill 12 HAVs 3 ADS 12 protobears and 8 LLAVs and went 38-1 and lost 100k ISK because the HAV I used cost more then what I got in the match.

You need to somehow scale payouts to reflect the "quality" of each soldier to some degree.

Think of it this way. If you have a mercenary with a BB gun and a burlap sack for armor and another with state of the art equipment would you pay them the same exact rate for their services?

The way things stand now I believe that every single player on a specific team gets the same exact payout at the end of a match based on the total losses suffered by the enemy. This is how in one match you can AFK and get 180K and in another fight to your best and still make 180K.

You're never going to see the system improve though to the point where prototype armor becomes anything less than a pain to lose because it would mean more work for the developers.

Once people are playing well enough and are able to play regularly in prototype gear what are they going to strive for next? The developers would need to provide another tier for them to aim for next to keep the game interesting. Instead they provide a system where playing in high tier gear is unprofitable meaning it always stays just out of reach for most players providing a goal most people will always strive for and never meet.

Do you have a link to the explanation of payout?

I'm seriously about to jam my head through some Sheetrock if I read one more post that talks about playing with what you can afford.

I died 5 times in the match that made me start this thread. But I dropped an orbital after getting overrun on A at Manus Peak that took out a squad of Pro Hic dudes in proto gear.

You'd think you'd be able to break even. Hell maybe eve lose a bit.

As landwar posted above he had a 38.0 KDR and lost 100K.

It feels like I'm in the Twilight Zone if you people can't see something wrong with that.

Except even in this game that ISN'T how it works.

Payouts are practically, if not entirely, uniform across all players on a given team.

You AFK in the ship and you make 200k, you fight your ass off and lose 100K in equipment you make 200k.

As long as the rest of your team is at least messing around and killing people it's more profitable to afk in a starter fit than to actually play this game.

As long as you're trying to make an argument in in-game terms then you're entirely leaving out the mercenary's point of view here. In a real situation the mercenary's involved wouldn't put up with this crap. They're putting their own funds on the line and getting paid as much as the guy sitting in the corner spending the entire battle using his rifle to scratch his ass. At that point any mercenary that values his money is going to either slack off like everyone else so they get their same payout for doing the same work or they take their services elsewhere.

I shouldn't have been so harsh. I apologize, no excuse for it.

It's just crazy that we should have to grind in basic to medium gear in order to cap out and save up for 3 or 4 matches. If you are lucky enough to be a 5%er who has participated in PC battles you can turn a profit in proto gear if you die 5 times.

Are you happy with the system?

I proposed a system that lets you team deploy into Merc battles (not this FW crap)with bigger payouts. This clears the pub matches for newbs and allows serious players to battle consistently against teams of players.

Well we don't have anything else other than PC and its too difficult and expensive for a majority of the player base. So why not allow them to have more fun?

As much as I want to quit arguing this point as it appears I'm in the minority I just can't help it. It seems so obvious. The game is already a grind in regards to skilling. Why should it also be an endless grind to afford the stuff we are grinding to skill into?

Stop trying to be a smart ass, you're doing a **** poor job of it.

People that put enough time into the game to be able to afford/equip proto gear don't do it so they can look at how pretty it looks in the menu and play every game in militia gear.

If you're going up against a team that's +90% militia gear that doesn't mean you should be forced into playing in militia gear.

It's stupidly inefficient to play at all if you can AFK farm and get the current payout.

And everyone that isn't in a big corporation or didn't rush to grab districts and can't actively participate in the deeper Planetary Conquest bits is supposed to sit on their thumb and deal with running inferior fits or falling into the red after games no matter their performance?

So with a straight face. And actual thought put into your response you believe that 95% of the player base should never run expensive gear unless they happen upon a chance to participate in a PC battle?

That can't be. you can't really mean that.

No such thing as "an unfair fight"?

In a game where at any moment the finger of god can be called down to wipe out an entire squad without touching friendly targets?

Or where you have redline snipers/tanks taking potshots over hills at people that can't even attempt to counter them?