So 5% per level for max of 25% as the Sentinel skill bonus. And when they implement Armor Hardeners 10% per Complex hardener, x4, plus 5% per skill level to hardener module efficacy is 75% total damage reduction. At the current 400 armor and max skills that's roughly 2000 EHP against low caliber weapons (AR's, MD's, SMG's, etc) but still only 500 EHP against high caliber weapons (shotguns and sniper rifles).

They'll probably implement a max percentage (say 40% TOTAL) to prevent that. Keep in mind, these will most likely suffer from stacking penalties as well.

Have the Damage Resistance be to low caliber weapons and explosives only. So sniper rifles and shotguns still do normal damage to a Heavy. That solidifies the hard counter these weapons have for the Heavy.

So 5% per level for max of 25% as the Sentinel skill bonus. And when they implement Armor Hardeners 10% per Complex hardener, x4, plus 5% per skill level to hardener module efficacy is 75% total damage reduction. At the current 400 armor and max skills that's roughly 2000 EHP against low caliber weapons (AR's, MD's, SMG's, etc) but still only 500 EHP against high caliber weapons (shotguns and sniper rifles).

That makes the heavy frightening to Assaults, but easily killable by SR and Shotgun scouts.

Problem is, 40% is kinda crap. On 400 armor that increases it to ~660 EHP, an increase of 260 EHP. That's barely 2x Complex Armor Plates. If it takes 4x Armor Hardeners to get 40% it isn't worth it at all.

My opinion is that 50% - 75% is the best spot for resistance. At 400 HP of armor; 50% makes it 800 EHP and 75% makes it 1600 EHP. And if resistance only applies to small caliber weapons (not snipers and shotguns) then it makes the heavy the Assault busting tank everyone wants, while still making it easily countered by snipers and shotguns.

except this doesnt happen

Problem is, 40% is kinda crap. On 400 armor that increases it to ~660 EHP, an increase of 260 EHP. That's barely 2x Complex Armor Plates. If it takes 4x Armor Hardeners to get 40% it isn't worth it at all.

Are you adding 100 shields? Because if you're doing the math the way I think you are, then that's the only way it would be a 260 increase. And this has nothing to do with increaseing total hp. Resistance means that 1 unit of their armor is worth more than 1 unit of your armor.

Plus these wouldn't have the same drawbacks as armor plates. Since they don't add on anything (they just increase the effectiveness of what is already there) like armor plates do (the extra armor plating), your movement speed stays the same, making hardeners preferable to people who want to get around fast.

Do you expect the same results from something with less drawbacks? The cap would be there to stop from people running around in a Sentinel suit with 30% base resistance (skill: 25%, base Sentinel suit:5%) and filling all low slots with hardeners (if I remember correctly, it has 4 low slots) giving it 70% damage reduction. This is right were you said you think it should be.

I think when you do the math you are taking the % out of the suits ehp, this is not the case!

The % is of incoming damage. (see post #71 and also note that it is using 20%, not the 25% or 30% we are discussing now) You do not add 30% of max armor to your ehp, you reduce 30% of all incoming damage. So if you get hit with something that does 100 damage, what is 30% of 100? 30! This means that you subtract 30 from 100 giving you 70, that is the amount of damage you would actually take.

Letting us reach a number like 70% or 75% would mean that in the exact same scenario the heavy would take

• 70%: 30 damage


• 75%: 25 damage

PLUS the resistance of weapon type (hybrid, laser, explosive, projectile) v health type (shield, armor)

**Edits: Changed it, didn't like the changes so I put it back**

they should get the base 10% resistance. and then 2% per level for a total of 20% when the skill is max. i cost a million sp anyway. plus with flux grenades, your shields will be depleted and a swuad can take you down. but at least one on one you can fight more efficeintly.

You're missing something though, we don't have LMGs in Dust, we have HMGs in Dust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_machine_gun

Let's see someone move with a squad with a Ma-Deuce carrying it while firing to provide suppressive fire.

Also, all caps do not a good point make. You may want to calm down, high blood pressure can be deadly.

making the heavy harder to kill and more effective will force players to fight tactically against them using flux grenades, and different weaponry.

Well without dropsuit that boost strength it's impossible but then why are you making a comparison in real life to a game that takes place thousands of years in the future,where you jump out of a spaceship for all intents and purposes, flip automobiles, and have shields. i know military tech is advanced but dont see many marines wearing complex shield extenders, in real life nobody does these things. Logic people come on.

IDK, ask the OP why he was painting an HMG as an LMG

Because when comparing the In Game HMG to realistic military weapons it comes up closer to a LMG than a HMG.

A real life HMG, otherwise known as a the M61 Vulcan, weighs 250 pounds and fires 20 mm rounds at 6000 RPM at a speed of ~1050 m/s with an effective point range out to 1.5 kilometers and a maximum range well beyond that.

A real life LMG, otherwise known as the Minigun, weighs 80 pounds and fires NATO 7.62 mm rounds at 2000 - 4000 RPM at a speed of ~800 m/s with an effective point range out to 1000 meters and a maximum range of 2 kilometers.

Which one sounds like what we have in the game? The only thing our In Game HMG has in common with the M61 Vulcan is the weight...

So basically you want everyone else to use more tactics, while the heavy itself requires less tactics?

Please, do New Eden a favor and kill yourself, your clone is obviously defective

2. for basic heavy suit its 10% base resistance with 3% per lvl for a max of 25%. (or 2% per lvl for a max of 20% is also acceptable)

1. ok. so for sentinel its base 10% resistance with 5% damage resistance per lvl, to a max of 35% for damage to sheilds and armor.

3. for galente suits its 10% base to shields and armor. with 4% increase per lvl a max of 30% for damage to armor only. (the shields stays at a base 10%)

4. for caldari its base 10% resistance to shields and armor. with a 4% increase per lvl to a max of 30% to shields only. (base 10% resistance to armor stays the same.

5. minmintar its a base 15% resistance to shield and armor and a 3% increase per lvl to max of 30% for both shields and armor. (the minmintar have less shields and armor than everyone else. however they have more slots than the other heavies. i dnt want them to be OP, but if the resistance is to low at the beginning you will just lose. still the minmintar heavy is supposed to be fast as well)

The basic suits are so you can just try out that size frame, why would you go PRO Basic? It makes no sense. Basic is there to give you a feel for the suit before you invest all your SP into a class. There is no insentive to stay Basic rather than use a specialized suit.

So basically you want everyone else to use more tactics, while the heavy itself requires less tactics?

Im not apposed to this but it would need lots of balance work 35% res is probably to high. Better to low ball it at first and then increase as needed. Might need to make heavys slower as well.