I'm not sure what your first paragraph actually meant. It didn't seem to be relevant to the OP's original post.

With your second paragraph; if moving at a turtle's pace is too fast, then the heavy may very well move too fast. The EHP of 1336k is what the Prototype Sentinal suit capability without passive skills. This would be fine on any heavy if medium suits were not also capable of having 1k EHP which the basic prototype suits are near. The logistics suits are capable of having over 1k ehp because they get a lot of high and low slots for def of dmg mods. This means that the sentinel prototype can only absorb approximately 10 more bullets from an assault rifle compared to a full defended medium suit. This makes the heavy's EHP ineffective when it only takes around 10 more AR bullets to do run out of health.

As for your third paragraph; I'll think you'll find that people have learned to fit their heavy suit and that's why they understand that it is a weak suit in comparison.

By the way, if it takes you more than two mags to kill anyone with a sniper rifle, you should learn to fit your suit, cause damn...


Why did the heavy cross the road? Because he knew Geirskoegul sucks at sniping. Is the heavy too fast for ya keep up with? Are you aiming at heads or the ground behind the heavy? These bullets aren't lock on. You actually have to aim

I agree that Heavies could use a boost to EHP, though I also agree that they should be slowed down more.

I think that Heavies should have as much EHP as MLT HAVs though to compensate for this, they need to be as fast as a tree stump.

EHP of a Mil TANK? Maybe a fair bit lower but, a good 1.5, 2 times the Assualts or Logis EHP. Just saying this because if you whip out your 60,000 isk Proto Heavy and wreck my 200,000 Mil tank, there is a slight issue. And no infantry should be slower then the Heavy is right now. Infantry are supposed to be AHEAD of the tanks. Not Behind them.

1. No, Heavies should have their movement nerfed to a point where (when sprinting) they are moving as fast as they do now while not sprinting. I don't see why they couldn't have their Stamina boosted though.

2. IMHO, Heavies should have between 1000-1500 Armor and shields depending on racial variant. Though all variants should be at the same total (roughly 2500 Raw HP).

3. I think that giving heavies passive resists to small arms fire is a good thing, though again I think that it should be flavored for their racial variant. Make it split so that one is stronger than the other, for example, maybe the Caldari Heavy could have 40% passive resists for Shields and 20% for Armor while the Amarr would have 20% for Shields and 40% for Armor.

Yes, I will agree that Heavies are designed to win 1v1 vs anything aside from another Heavy, an Installation or a HAV. I also think that a Heavy should be able to stand up to LAVs better than they currently can. Heavies are intended to be massive semi-mobile mounds of Armor and Shield generators, you don't strap all of that equipment to you and expect to move with any semblance of fluidity. By handing them 1v1's you need to make sure that there are sufficient drawbacks so that no-talent scrubs don't see it as a viable "I can run around and pwn everyone since I R L337 PWNZ0R!!!1!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!!!!!"-suit.

making us slower would make us a terret

^^ haven't seen new redo of skill tree but CCP do above ^^

in the description it says the heavy suit is supposed to be resistant to small arms fire and small explosives. making the shields and armor take 30% less damage (expect headshots which get the full bonus) would make that phrase true and help further accomplish CCP's vision of the heavy becoming a miniature tank for squad protection.


making the heavy harder to kill and more effective will force players to fight tactically against them using flux grenades, and different weaponry.

everyone stop talking about slowing down the heavy. if you cant hit the heavy now, then you cant ******* shoot. i play heavy, but i can hit them with a militia sniper and do massive damage, because their slow. the heavy should run faster than it is now.

NO! I AM NOT SAYING THE HEAVY SHOULD BE AS FAST AS AN ASSAULT, A LOGI, OR SCOUT!

BUT THE HEAVY SHOULD BE FAST ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME. If my entire squad is running to an objective, i should be behind them (if they all stop at the objective while i catch up) by no more than 6 seconds.

a logi, and a scout should still be fast enough to circle me (because my turning speed will still be just as slow as it is now anyway). shotgunners will still be able to do damge to me. and snipers from a far will still see me moving in slow motion. but at least i can keep up with the team, move to key position in time to engage enemies, and help push the frontline forward (after i get there).

I mean really, a heavy is bad a point defense, because his scanners are crap, and my sig is so hgh everyone can see me. if the one guy that does eventually come at the end of the match is any good, he'll chuck a flux and start shooting me before i can turn or runway and im gone. plus, seriously? i've fought assualts that get in a 1v1 no cover fiefight with me get their shields stript and then runn away so fast my bulets cant hit them anymore. are you on crack?

Keep a logi squadmate with you and have them equip an Active Scanner. There, now you know they're coming and you can brutalize them as soon as they come around that corner.

I wouldn't carry an active scanner, I'd just level up my skills that increase precision and radius. Maybe put on some modules that help out.

Someone really wants a bulky Assault suit. I am willing to be you're one of the guys that run around in a Heavy with a GLU. As of right now, we have only two Heavy weapons and only heavies can fit them.

Forge Gun: The anti-material SR of Dust.
HMG: CQC handheld belt-fed chaingun of doom.

Your team will have the most "efficacy" if you're using the weapons that only you can use (detailed above) which would indicate that you are best off killing enemy installations/vehicles from a good vantage point with the Forge Gun or defending CQC areas near objectives by belt feeding death to reddots.

Stop trying to paint the Heavy as a bulky Assault suit.

everyone stop talking about slowing down the heavy. if you cant hit the heavy now, then you cant ******* shoot. i play heavy, but i can hit them with a militia sniper and do massive damage, because their slow. the heavy should run faster than it is now.

NO! I AM NOT SAYING THE HEAVY SHOULD BE AS FAST AS AN ASSAULT, A LOGI, OR SCOUT!

BUT THE HEAVY SHOULD BE FAST ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GAME. If my entire squad is running to an objective, i should be behind them (if they all stop at the objective while i catch up) by no more than 6 seconds.

a logi, and a scout should still be fast enough to circle me (because my turning speed will still be just as slow as it is now anyway). shotgunners will still be able to do damge to me. and snipers from a far will still see me moving in slow motion. but at least i can keep up with the team, move to key position in time to engage enemies, and help push the frontline forward (after i get there).

I mean really, a heavy is bad a point defense, because his scanners are crap, and my sig is so hgh everyone can see me. if the one guy that does eventually come at the end of the match is any good, he'll chuck a flux and start shooting me before i can turn or runway and im gone. plus, seriously? i've fought assualts that get in a 1v1 no cover fiefight with me get their shields stript and then runn away so fast my bulets cant hit them anymore. are you on crack?

@Jaraiya

How would something like this sound?

Nerf Movement speed by enough to make sprinting as fast as walking currently is

Buff Raw HP
Buff Resist vs Small Arms
Buff Turning speed by double or so

Buff HMG Damage by 10% or so (keep optimal at 10-15m)

I don't think that would make them OP, though it would make CQC beasts (which they should be).

@Jaraiya

If point defense is the intended effective deployment of Heavies, they don't need the speed. You wouldn't need to kill them in order to defend your point, making them run away is also point defense. Besides HMG getting a buff to damage would make TTK drop for heavies.

Area Denial through murder or fear generation works just as well either way.

How would a heavy earn WP if all he does is camp a hacked objective and make would be attackers flee but not kill them? It is Illogical!

@Jaraiya

If point defense is the intended effective deployment of Heavies, they don't need the speed. You wouldn't need to kill them in order to defend your point, making them run away is also point defense. Besides HMG getting a buff to damage would make TTK drop for heavies.

Area Denial through murder or fear generation works just as well either way.

Here is an Idea, instead of completely restricting Heavies to the nearly useless and completely boring playstyle of "point defense"

give logis the ability to deploy unmanned HMG turrets at objectives.

Give heavies a bit more speed and HP, and add the changes to the HMG that I suggested earlier under category (a) to be able to be somewhat more useful in combat.