Run AV. Stop crying

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

We talking about pub matches here?

I'm not wasting tanks when playing with horrible blue dots. They don't know how to use armor support without hanging me out to dry.

So instead of wasting more than 1 million ISK to use what I have specced in to, I just run a logi lav to have some fun.

I think CCP should remove the free lavs, just becuase I hate dumb blues stealing my roadkills.

But if you play lots of pub matches and don't know to run at least AV grenades, then yo deserve to be bumper food.

Also, making elite players road pizza is too much fun to pass up.

Last night another Zion tanker and I called in three logi LAVs each and our whole squad went death race on a domination match. If you can think of a more fun way to waste two million ISK in between PC battles, I'd love to hear it.

CCP, don't mess with my logi lav, just get rid of the free ones.

Its a forum its called Feedback. If you cant handle that, gtfo.

Lol you clearly never tried to AV Grenade a Logi jeep.

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand

lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol
adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do.

Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

people would rather cry about vehicles than destroy them. it is really easy to kill LAVs.

adopt or die.

What are we supposed to be adopting?

i have a forge gun for anything that moves. i was just giving you a way to fight back instead of crying here on the forums.

Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you.

I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV.

I've heard a great suggestion where LAVs take damage directly relative to the ARMOR of the player being run into. Not total E-HP but their armor HP should do some damage to LAVs ramming them.

i.e. If you hit a scout with 80 armor, your LAV takes 80 damage.
BUT, if you hit a heavy with say 1000 armor, your LAV takes 1000 damage.

While this wouldn't STOP people from running murder taxis it would make them far more hazardous to just crash through groups of enemies, especially for the starter militia freebie fit.

Just a comment I heard by word of mouth from someone else. It sounds brilliant to me.

I've heard a great suggestion where LAVs take damage directly relative to the ARMOR of the player being run into. Not total E-HP but their armor HP should do some damage to LAVs ramming them.

i.e. If you hit a scout with 80 armor, your LAV takes 80 damage.
BUT, if you hit a heavy with say 1000 armor, your LAV takes 1000 damage.

While this wouldn't STOP people from running murder taxis it would make them far more hazardous to just crash through groups of enemies, especially for the starter militia freebie fit.

Just a comment I heard by word of mouth from someone else. It sounds brilliant to me.

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

Is that not the way it was in an earlier build? I can remember hitting suits which would slow or stop your LAV and also remove some of its shields. That was more realistic than what we have now. You 'd think that at a heavy's suit would put at least a small dent in any LAV.

Run AV. Stop crying

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

what he means is Lav's are ruining his well thought out plan to run an AR like everybody else..

I think the best solution would be to make the AV grenades have something like the "webs" in EVE. It is easy to kill the free LAVs with the new AV grenades (no problem there in my opinion) but for the new logi death taxis they count on speed so my idea is that once they get hit by an AV grenade they have a temporary 60% speed reduction. They would then have no choice but to run at that point.

not proto or decked out ones.. I use a HMG to blow them up and it doesn't do much damage.. they need to make it more realistic

if you hit the driver or the engine of the LAV it should blow up faster..

I'd like to thank this thread for bringing the idea of just driving around and running people over to my attention. I'll stop doing it when I stop getting killed by 4 bullets from GLU/Duvolles from long range.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

ah, the heart of the matter. plus 1

I really have to say.. it makes me feel warm inside to see the AR's have something to fear.. ME.. because I planned it this way, 1st hour after the update I saw that all the niche builds were BS, and created the first taxi.. Got like 15 kills my first time out.. I had no idea they had buffed the jeeps.. lol..

So if you are wondering about the mentality of a drive by killa, you need look no further.. I was like hmm.. here come 15 AR's all in a herd.. MD dont work... what to do.. hmmmmmmmmm

Bam.. the birth of your nemesis.. either pay me to go away or reverse the nerfs! stand with me now

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

Clearly maybe your tactics aren't working anymore. A dedicated, hardcore LAV should not be destroyed by a single AV grenade. Maybe you should go for a dedicated AV fit and throw an actual amount of swarm launchers and/or Forge Guns at the jeep. And if that LAV is Shield tanked, maybe you shouldn't rely on EXPLOSIVE weapons to destroy them, and instead use the weapons ideal for taking out shields.

As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way.

If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider:

1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective
2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it.

I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective.

I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV.

Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

I was in that squad with The Attorney General, and I'll have you know that I was NOT giggling; I was laughing! But the fact that we were able to earn two Orbitals while spending most of the time in LAVs seems to indicate that a little tweaking is in order.

While I agree that there are some problems with the lav, nuking it is not the solution.

First, AV nades are up against them, I agree. They Need a bit of a damage buff, and an increase to their tracking range and homing speed.

Second, vehicles in general need to show up on suit sensors waaaaay more readily. This thing about not having them show up until after they hit you and are already in front of you is bullshit. EVEN TANKS CAN DO THIS AT TIMES! You can drive a vehicle behind someone and miss them by millimeters without the sensors going off. That's just crap, and I feel like we should all get refunded for those ****** suits. Really, where's the recall?

Second, I feel that the militia lav should, in fact, be shittier. 1 pack av, maybe 2 standard av, and the thing should be a twisted wreck.


That's my 2 bits on the subject.

Also, Hi, Darken! ^_^

I see a lot less HAVs and a lot more LAVs... I wonder why (oh, I know why). Btw, the LLAV are proper LAVs; AV nades are not proper AV. The problem lies in the team not having proper AV, not the LLAVs. This is just a case of vehicle users adapting rather then dying, and the infantry dying from not adapting.

I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand

I have anti vehicle gear and I do blow yall fu ckerz up... just annoyin more than anything..

What are we supposed to be adopting?

rather see this a shooting game again instead of this Fast and Furious Dust-style bull shiet

Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you.

I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV.

Run AV. Stop crying

You're what's wrong with this game.
"This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____"

As if no one thought to run AV yet.

Lmfao, love this argument:

"Guns are ruining a First Person Shooter"

You realize that the other ones you mentioned, with the exception of the Scrambler Rifle (though I could have misconstrued this as you might have meant Sniper Rifle) are all specialization weapons right? They have different gameplay elements meant for different things, all of which are circumstantial and subjective where as the Assault Rifle is a general combat weapon - which isn't it amazing just happens to be the most commonly used?

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

You're what's wrong with this game.
"This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____"

As if no one thought to run AV yet.

The AR does a better job than everything, in every situation. There's no reason to use a mass driver, laser rifle, machine gun, submachine gun, shotgun, or pistol. When the variety is ruined, and there's no reason to use anything else, then yes, the ARs are ruining the game.

My Minmatar assault shotgun build disagree with you.

Logi Lav's are fine.

Run AV. Stop crying

I like it. More explosions! I allways thought it was weird seeing a heavy waddle across a sniper field because it was a liabilty to call in a coffin to get to the other objective.

Of course a simple solution for a simple problem (with more SP investment than before btw) , I personally recomend the Plasma Cannon - such a great AV weapon.

Trolling right?

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

I (and many in my corp) are thrilled when we see "paper" in match because most of the time it means extra points and a higher ISK payout. We all have some form of AV fit (even if it's free) and will happily respawn/depot swap into AV when needed. This week I played a few matches with my corp where we used free LAVs to blitz into the redline and take out hostile HAVs hiding behind cover there.

Have I been run over in a LAV or shot by a HAV this week? Sure. But more often than not a fully loaded LAV means I get 3 kills and a bonus 40 WP for one nade toss, while a fully loaded HAV means I get 3 kills and a bonus 150 WP for the use of three nades. And for those who don't use/want to use AV nades? Climb up on something high with a militia forge or swarms and aim at the weak spot on vehicles, it works wonders.

Oh and a closing note, I'm doing all of this without proto anything (including damage mods or tank) on my AV fits.
Specifically I have level 3 in swarm launcher and level 1 in grenadier. If memory serves that's an SP total investment of less than one week (tho I use boosters so it may be a bit over 1 week for those without).

0.02 ISK
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ps ~ the current alteration to LAV physics may still need looked at, the total lack of momentum loss when running hostiles down seems a bit off.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

This is why even though I don't like free LAV's running everybody over I'm not upset about them.

Good score of a LAV driver is an indicator of bad team coordination of your team. If you got few guys together and hunt that LAV it would be 0-10 for her/him for sure... DUST is about team play... It will be hard to play it alone... Such LAV in your match is a good occasion to practice team play... Wish you all well

Run AV. Stop crying

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

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It seems to me the best way to balance LAV's is with a dynamic exterior and internal vehicle damage mechanic. The spark for this post came from recalling good ol' 2005 with Colin McRae Rally 05. Oh I am starting to feel old here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiYSnbRbmms

I'm imagining a system that indicates damage to the wheels and engine block. Vehicle regions can sustain damage from a head on collision for example. The severity of this damage is color indicated on the display of your vehicle. Until damage reaches a failure point, it can be repaired with on-board modules. If any one area of the vehicle sustains irreparable damage, the driver may find themselves fighting misaligned steering or a stalled engine which may leave the driver and any passengers open to an easier counter-attack. Damage systems such as these encourage more careful and precise maneuvering. Yet, they also allow leeway to make tactical 'breaches' into pedestrian crosswalks.

On a closely related subject, how would people feel about damage modifiers to highly weakened sections of vehicles using this dynamic damage system?

As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way.

If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider:

1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective
2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it.

I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective.

I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV.

Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.

Ok so the free LAV's arent a problem? Then what are you saying . Nerf Logis? lol..

I can tell you as a dedicated death taxi ( because of the weapon nerfs/ AR buff) that the problem is over.. Im not getting **** for kills anymore.. everyone has AV nades.. and the Mai Lai AV is a one shot kill on my Shielded Logi jeep.. CCP all you had to do was wait for a week or 2 for people to get SP's to buy nades.. problem solved.. seriously just go try your own death taxi if you dont believe me..

*it crossed my mind that alot of the tears are coming from academy.. i really did well there lol

Liar!

Tossed five, count them five!! Lai Day prototype AV grenades at a LLAV and it just fled healed and continued to run folks over.

And hey!! we used to have OVER 9000 players online and now in a TRIPLE SP event its LESS than 6000 or 5500 players.
Gee thanks!! sarcasm!!!