Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you.

I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV.

I've heard a great suggestion where LAVs take damage directly relative to the ARMOR of the player being run into. Not total E-HP but their armor HP should do some damage to LAVs ramming them.

i.e. If you hit a scout with 80 armor, your LAV takes 80 damage.
BUT, if you hit a heavy with say 1000 armor, your LAV takes 1000 damage.

While this wouldn't STOP people from running murder taxis it would make them far more hazardous to just crash through groups of enemies, especially for the starter militia freebie fit.

Just a comment I heard by word of mouth from someone else. It sounds brilliant to me.

I've heard a great suggestion where LAVs take damage directly relative to the ARMOR of the player being run into. Not total E-HP but their armor HP should do some damage to LAVs ramming them.

i.e. If you hit a scout with 80 armor, your LAV takes 80 damage.
BUT, if you hit a heavy with say 1000 armor, your LAV takes 1000 damage.

While this wouldn't STOP people from running murder taxis it would make them far more hazardous to just crash through groups of enemies, especially for the starter militia freebie fit.

Just a comment I heard by word of mouth from someone else. It sounds brilliant to me.

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

Is that not the way it was in an earlier build? I can remember hitting suits which would slow or stop your LAV and also remove some of its shields. That was more realistic than what we have now. You 'd think that at a heavy's suit would put at least a small dent in any LAV.

Run AV. Stop crying

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

what he means is Lav's are ruining his well thought out plan to run an AR like everybody else..

I think the best solution would be to make the AV grenades have something like the "webs" in EVE. It is easy to kill the free LAVs with the new AV grenades (no problem there in my opinion) but for the new logi death taxis they count on speed so my idea is that once they get hit by an AV grenade they have a temporary 60% speed reduction. They would then have no choice but to run at that point.

not proto or decked out ones.. I use a HMG to blow them up and it doesn't do much damage.. they need to make it more realistic

if you hit the driver or the engine of the LAV it should blow up faster..

I'd like to thank this thread for bringing the idea of just driving around and running people over to my attention. I'll stop doing it when I stop getting killed by 4 bullets from GLU/Duvolles from long range.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

ah, the heart of the matter. plus 1

I really have to say.. it makes me feel warm inside to see the AR's have something to fear.. ME.. because I planned it this way, 1st hour after the update I saw that all the niche builds were BS, and created the first taxi.. Got like 15 kills my first time out.. I had no idea they had buffed the jeeps.. lol..

So if you are wondering about the mentality of a drive by killa, you need look no further.. I was like hmm.. here come 15 AR's all in a herd.. MD dont work... what to do.. hmmmmmmmmm

Bam.. the birth of your nemesis.. either pay me to go away or reverse the nerfs! stand with me now

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

Clearly maybe your tactics aren't working anymore. A dedicated, hardcore LAV should not be destroyed by a single AV grenade. Maybe you should go for a dedicated AV fit and throw an actual amount of swarm launchers and/or Forge Guns at the jeep. And if that LAV is Shield tanked, maybe you shouldn't rely on EXPLOSIVE weapons to destroy them, and instead use the weapons ideal for taking out shields.

As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way.

If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider:

1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective
2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it.

I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective.

I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV.

Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

I was in that squad with The Attorney General, and I'll have you know that I was NOT giggling; I was laughing! But the fact that we were able to earn two Orbitals while spending most of the time in LAVs seems to indicate that a little tweaking is in order.

While I agree that there are some problems with the lav, nuking it is not the solution.

First, AV nades are up against them, I agree. They Need a bit of a damage buff, and an increase to their tracking range and homing speed.

Second, vehicles in general need to show up on suit sensors waaaaay more readily. This thing about not having them show up until after they hit you and are already in front of you is bullshit. EVEN TANKS CAN DO THIS AT TIMES! You can drive a vehicle behind someone and miss them by millimeters without the sensors going off. That's just crap, and I feel like we should all get refunded for those ****** suits. Really, where's the recall?

Second, I feel that the militia lav should, in fact, be shittier. 1 pack av, maybe 2 standard av, and the thing should be a twisted wreck.


That's my 2 bits on the subject.

Also, Hi, Darken! ^_^