People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

I (and many in my corp) are thrilled when we see "paper" in match because most of the time it means extra points and a higher ISK payout. We all have some form of AV fit (even if it's free) and will happily respawn/depot swap into AV when needed. This week I played a few matches with my corp where we used free LAVs to blitz into the redline and take out hostile HAVs hiding behind cover there.

Have I been run over in a LAV or shot by a HAV this week? Sure. But more often than not a fully loaded LAV means I get 3 kills and a bonus 40 WP for one nade toss, while a fully loaded HAV means I get 3 kills and a bonus 150 WP for the use of three nades. And for those who don't use/want to use AV nades? Climb up on something high with a militia forge or swarms and aim at the weak spot on vehicles, it works wonders.

Oh and a closing note, I'm doing all of this without proto anything (including damage mods or tank) on my AV fits.
Specifically I have level 3 in swarm launcher and level 1 in grenadier. If memory serves that's an SP total investment of less than one week (tho I use boosters so it may be a bit over 1 week for those without).

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ps ~ the current alteration to LAV physics may still need looked at, the total lack of momentum loss when running hostiles down seems a bit off.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

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I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

This is why even though I don't like free LAV's running everybody over I'm not upset about them.

Good score of a LAV driver is an indicator of bad team coordination of your team. If you got few guys together and hunt that LAV it would be 0-10 for her/him for sure... DUST is about team play... It will be hard to play it alone... Such LAV in your match is a good occasion to practice team play... Wish you all well

Run AV. Stop crying

Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.

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It seems to me the best way to balance LAV's is with a dynamic exterior and internal vehicle damage mechanic. The spark for this post came from recalling good ol' 2005 with Colin McRae Rally 05. Oh I am starting to feel old here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiYSnbRbmms

I'm imagining a system that indicates damage to the wheels and engine block. Vehicle regions can sustain damage from a head on collision for example. The severity of this damage is color indicated on the display of your vehicle. Until damage reaches a failure point, it can be repaired with on-board modules. If any one area of the vehicle sustains irreparable damage, the driver may find themselves fighting misaligned steering or a stalled engine which may leave the driver and any passengers open to an easier counter-attack. Damage systems such as these encourage more careful and precise maneuvering. Yet, they also allow leeway to make tactical 'breaches' into pedestrian crosswalks.

On a closely related subject, how would people feel about damage modifiers to highly weakened sections of vehicles using this dynamic damage system?

As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way.

If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider:

1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective
2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it.

I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective.

I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV.

Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.

Ok so the free LAV's arent a problem? Then what are you saying . Nerf Logis? lol..

I can tell you as a dedicated death taxi ( because of the weapon nerfs/ AR buff) that the problem is over.. Im not getting **** for kills anymore.. everyone has AV nades.. and the Mai Lai AV is a one shot kill on my Shielded Logi jeep.. CCP all you had to do was wait for a week or 2 for people to get SP's to buy nades.. problem solved.. seriously just go try your own death taxi if you dont believe me..

*it crossed my mind that alot of the tears are coming from academy.. i really did well there lol

Liar!

Tossed five, count them five!! Lai Day prototype AV grenades at a LLAV and it just fled healed and continued to run folks over.

And hey!! we used to have OVER 9000 players online and now in a TRIPLE SP event its LESS than 6000 or 5500 players.
Gee thanks!! sarcasm!!!