DUST Search - [FEEDBACK] LAV's are ruining FPS gameplay.

ladwar wrote:

iLLMaTiC619 wrote:

Infekti0n wrote:

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand

lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol
adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do.

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Infekti0n One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 34	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:10:00 - [1] - Quote People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 92	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:23:00 - [2] - Quote Run AV. Stop crying
Cinaed Corvus Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:30:00 - [3] - Quote Listen. The fact of the matter is that a scrub who has no gun game gets into an LAV (BPO in particular) and decides to grief everyone on the map; both team mates and opponents alike. My solution to this would be to completely remove the militia BPO LAV for everyone (I thought CCP learned their lesson from the E3 build and the never ending supply of militia vehicles) and not to allow BPO vehicles at all. Infantry equipment I can begin to understand (standard and militia only) having BPO's of, but vehicles. That is just f@*king mental. Who ever thought that was a good idea (much like some of the racial and weapons skills) should be flogged and put int he corner. And as for the comment by Darken: with the current HP buff on all LAVs AV can't inflict enough damage fast enough for it to be effective.
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 309	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:35:00 - [4] - Quote Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 142	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:37:00 - [5] - Quote Good score of a LAV driver is an indicator of bad team coordination of your team. If you got few guys together and hunt that LAV it would be 0-10 for her/him for sure... DUST is about team play... It will be hard to play it alone... Such LAV in your match is a good occasion to practice team play... Wish you all well
Infekti0n One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 34	Posted - 2013.05.25 16:42:00 - [6] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Its a forum its called Feedback. If you cant handle that, gtfo. Lol you clearly never tried to AV Grenade a Logi jeep.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 815	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:02:00 - [7] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game. This is why even though I don't like free LAV's running everybody over I'm not upset about them.
The Attorney General ZionTCD Unclaimed. 27	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:05:00 - [8] - Quote We talking about pub matches here? I'm not wasting tanks when playing with horrible blue dots. They don't know how to use armor support without hanging me out to dry. So instead of wasting more than 1 million ISK to use what I have specced in to, I just run a logi lav to have some fun. I think CCP should remove the free lavs, just becuase I hate dumb blues stealing my roadkills. But if you play lots of pub matches and don't know to run at least AV grenades, then yo deserve to be bumper food. Also, making elite players road pizza is too much fun to pass up. Last night another Zion tanker and I called in three logi LAVs each and our whole squad went death race on a domination match. If you can think of a more fun way to waste two million ISK in between PC battles, I'd love to hear it. CCP, don't mess with my logi lav, just get rid of the free ones.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 88	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:46:00 - [9] - Quote They can't remove the free lav's. They gave lav bpo's in the elite/vet merc packs and many bought the packs just for the bpo's. If they removed the free to everyone lav, then ppl would be yelling p2w. The only solution they have left to them is to make the free lav's be a coffin on wheels again and maybe add some collision dmg for hitting mercs. It wont stop me from doing it, but if it's something free, then it should be a p.o.s.
alten hilt DUST University Ivy League 37	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:49:00 - [10] - Quote I like the vehicles, it adds an element of strategy. Besides, you can use that free Militia LAV to run over people too.

Charizard Zakalwe Goonfeet 48	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote Clearly maybe your tactics aren't working anymore. A dedicated, hardcore LAV should not be destroyed by a single AV grenade. Maybe you should go for a dedicated AV fit and throw an actual amount of swarm launchers and/or Forge Guns at the jeep. And if that LAV is Shield tanked, maybe you shouldn't rely on EXPLOSIVE weapons to destroy them, and instead use the weapons ideal for taking out shields. CCP: Don't overly rebalance LAV's until the people whining can actually be bothered to use AV fittings. I like that you can use an AV fitting as a regular thing and not just specialist "oh hey a tank/DS", and that you can't be the secondary king of AV by just by grabbing some Packed AV Grenades.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 211	Posted - 2013.05.25 17:57:00 - [12] - Quote I don't use LAVs (rarely even get into them when a squadmate gets one) and I don't have a problem with them. You just need to become more opportunistic with your engagement of them. Don't assume you're safe out in the open Do stay to CQC areas Don't neglect having a fitted Miner dropsuit Do mine in high-traffic areas LAVs aren't anything to fear so long as you don't assume that you have an "S" on your chest.
drake sadani Tacti-corp 46	Posted - 2013.05.25 18:23:00 - [13] - Quote with milltia gear (suit. forge cannon. av grenades . shield extender) i spent one match grave digging and rolling LAV's into holes it cost me maybe 5.000 isk to get 5 kills and trash several standard LAV's the only crap up was i ran out of ammo. but they stopped after i trashed a few and started hunting my big blue glowing ass down
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 77	Posted - 2013.05.25 20:22:00 - [14] - Quote As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way. If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider: 1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective 2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it. I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away. What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard. Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective. I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV. Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.
drake sadani Tacti-corp 47	Posted - 2013.05.25 21:07:00 - [15] - Quote 137H4RGIC wrote: What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard. now this is something that can be fixed and keep everyone happy take the instakill out of it and add the effect of it pushing you out of the way but still taking health . but only at a certain speed. like 50% add a MPH KPH gauge to the hud on that and you keep both sides happy for further problems just make them more susceptible to standard locus grenades . and give the AV poppers more kick . JUST for the LAV its a car . maybe even go as far as making them gooey to regular gunfire as well . the last suggestion would be at half armor and no shields slow them down to 25% of their speed
Croned The Penguin Society 4	Posted - 2013.05.26 02:12:00 - [16] - Quote The Attorney General wrote: We talking about pub matches here? I'm not wasting tanks when playing with horrible blue dots. They don't know how to use armor support without hanging me out to dry. So instead of wasting more than 1 million ISK to use what I have specced in to, I just run a logi lav to have some fun. I think CCP should remove the free lavs, just becuase I hate dumb blues stealing my roadkills. But if you play lots of pub matches and don't know to run at least AV grenades, then yo deserve to be bumper food. Also, making elite players road pizza is too much fun to pass up. Last night another Zion tanker and I called in three logi LAVs each and our whole squad went death race on a domination match. If you can think of a more fun way to waste two million ISK in between PC battles, I'd love to hear it. CCP, don't mess with my logi lav, just get rid of the free ones. Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 97	Posted - 2013.05.26 02:29:00 - [17] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Its a forum its called Feedback. If you cant handle that, gtfo. Lol you clearly never tried to AV Grenade a Logi jeep. i have a forge gun for anything that moves. i was just giving you a way to fight back instead of crying here on the forums.
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Unclaimed. 353	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:05:00 - [18] - Quote Croned wrote: The Attorney General wrote: We talking about pub matches here? I'm not wasting tanks when playing with horrible blue dots. They don't know how to use armor support without hanging me out to dry. So instead of wasting more than 1 million ISK to use what I have specced in to, I just run a logi lav to have some fun. I think CCP should remove the free lavs, just becuase I hate dumb blues stealing my roadkills. But if you play lots of pub matches and don't know to run at least AV grenades, then yo deserve to be bumper food. Also, making elite players road pizza is too much fun to pass up. Last night another Zion tanker and I called in three logi LAVs each and our whole squad went death race on a domination match. If you can think of a more fun way to waste two million ISK in between PC battles, I'd love to hear it. CCP, don't mess with my logi lav, just get rid of the free ones. Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers. I was in that squad with The Attorney General, and I'll have you know that I was NOT giggling; I was laughing! But the fact that we were able to earn two Orbitals while spending most of the time in LAVs seems to indicate that a little tweaking is in order.
bacon blaster BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 38	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:26:00 - [19] - Quote While I agree that there are some problems with the lav, nuking it is not the solution. First, AV nades are up against them, I agree. They Need a bit of a damage buff, and an increase to their tracking range and homing speed. Second, vehicles in general need to show up on suit sensors waaaaay more readily. This thing about not having them show up until after they hit you and are already in front of you is bullshit. EVEN TANKS CAN DO THIS AT TIMES! You can drive a vehicle behind someone and miss them by millimeters without the sensors going off. That's just crap, and I feel like we should all get refunded for those ****** suits. Really, where's the recall? Second, I feel that the militia lav should, in fact, be shittier. 1 pack av, maybe 2 standard av, and the thing should be a twisted wreck. That's my 2 bits on the subject. Also, Hi, Darken! ^_^
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 498	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:28:00 - [20] - Quote I see a lot less HAV and a lot more LAVs... I wonder why(oh I know why). btw the LLAV are proper LAVs AV nades are not proper AV. the problem lies in the team not having proper AV not the LLAVs. this is just a case of vehicle users adopting rather then dying and the infantry dying from not adopting.

iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 68	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:50:00 - [21] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 498	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:57:00 - [22] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do.
iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 68	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:59:00 - [23] - Quote ladwar wrote: iLLMaTiC619 wrote: Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do. I have anti vehicle gear and I do blow yall fu ckerz up... just annoyin more than anything..
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 105	Posted - 2013.05.26 04:59:00 - [24] - Quote Quote: Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. people would rather cry about vehicles than destroy them. it is really easy to kill LAVs.
iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 68	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:02:00 - [25] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Quote: Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. people would rather cry about vehicles than destroy them. it is really easy to kill LAVs. not proto or decked out ones.. I use a HMG to blow them up and it doesn't do much damage.. they need to make it more realistic if you hit the driver or the engine of the LAV it should blow up faster..
Timothy Reaper ZionTCD Unclaimed. 353	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:02:00 - [26] - Quote ladwar wrote: adopt or die. What are we supposed to be adopting?
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 105	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:04:00 - [27] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: ladwar wrote: adopt or die. What are we supposed to be adopting? a forge gun
iLLMaTiC619 KiLo. 68	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:04:00 - [28] - Quote rather see this a shooting game again instead of this Fast and Furious Dust-style bull shiet
Infekti0n One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 38	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:16:00 - [29] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Infekti0n wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Its a forum its called Feedback. If you cant handle that, gtfo. Lol you clearly never tried to AV Grenade a Logi jeep. i have a forge gun for anything that moves. i was just giving you a way to fight back instead of crying here on the forums. Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you. I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization 296	Posted - 2013.05.26 05:18:00 - [30] - Quote I think they should remove the free militia buggy, if you want transport, put SP and isk into it. However a Logi buggy used correctly is a great boon to a squad.



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