DUST Search - [FEEDBACK] LAV's are ruining FPS gameplay.

iLLMaTiC619 wrote:

ladwar wrote:

iLLMaTiC619 wrote:

Infekti0n wrote:

People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0.
How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise.
Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment.

I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision?
Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up.

I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand

lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol
adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do.

I have anti vehicle gear and I do blow yall fu ckerz up... just annoyin more than anything..

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Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:12:00 - [61] - Quote ladwar wrote: I see a lot less HAVs and a lot more LAVs... I wonder why (oh, I know why). Btw, the LLAV are proper LAVs; AV nades are not proper AV. The problem lies in the team not having proper AV, not the LLAVs. This is just a case of vehicle users adapting rather then dying, and the infantry dying from not adapting. Fixed your post.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:14:00 - [62] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand It's gotten out of hand because you didn't give yourself the tools to take care of the problem.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:15:00 - [63] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: ladwar wrote: iLLMaTiC619 wrote: Infekti0n wrote: People speccing in Logistic LAV driving across the map running people over going 11 - 0. How do i AV grenade a ''LIGHT''AV with more health then a Tank? Why do i have to keep looking over my shoulder every time i cross a piece of the battlefield to not get hit by a car, with engines that make no noise. Then you buff Militia LAVs aswell, have you played this game the last month CCP? Its getting a bit ******** its more a driving game then a shooter at the moment. I understand LAVs are an important part of the game and should not be removed. However why do they have more health and shields then a Tank? Why did you buff Militia Jeeps, what was the incentive behind that decision? Why is it so easy to stay in a Jeep the entire match without fear of getting blown up. I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand lol this came up a lot with HAVs are OP because they kill faster then infantry can, now that HAVs toke a nerf its the LAVs... lol adopt or die. and infantry are really bad at adopting because it means someone has to pick up proper AV weapons and actually skill into it like us vehicles do. I have anti vehicle gear and I do blow yall fu ckerz up... just annoyin more than anything.. So you mean the basic anti-armor suit, the same suit that entirely new characters get at no cost of ISK?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:15:00 - [64] - Quote Timothy Reaper wrote: ladwar wrote: adopt or die. What are we supposed to be adopting? I fixed his post. There's probably a ton of mine all in a row on page 3.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:16:00 - [65] - Quote iLLMaTiC619 wrote: rather see this a shooting game again instead of this Fast and Furious Dust-style bull shiet Adapt or die. Simple as that. Militia forge guns are cheap.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:16:00 - [66] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Infekti0n wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Its a forum its called Feedback. If you cant handle that, gtfo. Lol you clearly never tried to AV Grenade a Logi jeep. i have a forge gun for anything that moves. i was just giving you a way to fight back instead of crying here on the forums. Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you. I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV. Do you want ARs to be able to blow up a Sica?
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 79	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:18:00 - [67] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying You're what's wrong with this game. "This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____" As if no one thought to run AV yet.
Smoky The Bear Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel 101	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:31:00 - [68] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying You're what's wrong with this game. "This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____" As if no one thought to run AV yet. no YOU are whats wrong with this game.. you cry.. CCP nerfs.. everyone leaves..
Skihids The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 1550	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:32:00 - [69] - Quote So some people don't like the idea of Rock/Paper/Scissors. They don't like the idea there may be some asset on the field that they can't kill with their current load-out. Attack vehicles therefore need to be "adjusted" so they can be neutralized with an AR. I think that sort of thinking comes from random solo play in pub matches where players fit out for the dominant anti-infantry mode and don't want to be forced to deal with anything as tactically challenging as a vehicle that requires a different load-out.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 187	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:34:00 - [70] - Quote I don't have a problem swarm launching every LAV in game down. If you people can't get the proper counters... that says more about you than the drivers.

Joretur One-Armed Bandits Unclaimed. 4	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:47:00 - [71] - Quote As I've posted in another thread. Make the LAV take damage when they run over somebody...some for a light suit...more for a medium...and a lot more when a heavy. Everything takes damage when it hits something...why not a LAV when it hits a hardened battle drop suit.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:51:00 - [72] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game. Lmfao, love this argument: "Guns are ruining a First Person Shooter" You realize that the other ones you mentioned, with the exception of the Scrambler Rifle (though I could have misconstrued this as you might have meant Sniper Rifle) are all specialization weapons right? They have different gameplay elements meant for different things, all of which are circumstantial and subjective where as the Assault Rifle is a general combat weapon - which isn't it amazing just happens to be the most commonly used? The AR does a better job than everything, in every situation. There's no reason to use a mass driver, laser rifle, machine gun, submachine gun, shotgun, or pistol. When the variety is ruined, and there's no reason to use anything else, then yes, the ARs are ruining the game.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:54:00 - [73] - Quote Dias Bailey wrote: 1. remove free LAV's 2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death 3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min 4. no need to nerf the LAV. I s'pose you want the Rods from God, too, eh?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 17:56:00 - [74] - Quote Infekti0n wrote: Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment. Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV. Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor. However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get. Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades? A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh. Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more. So you still won't adapt to the problem. I don't see why vehicles should be nerfed if you won't adapt to the problem.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 18:10:00 - [75] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying You're what's wrong with this game. "This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____" As if no one thought to run AV yet. The problem is noone is running AV, and those that do, there's one of them in a match. Wiyrkomi swarm, or Ishukone forge. Whose fault is it that so few spec dedicated AV? It's certainly not my problem. And it's not the problem of the drivers. The problem is people like you, who continue to absolutely refuse to spec into even the CBR7 swarm, even though it beats the hell out of armor. It's really not expensive SP-wise. I just don't know why people like you absolutely refuse to use ADV AV against STD hulls.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 188	Posted - 2013.06.07 18:16:00 - [76] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game. Lmfao, love this argument: "Guns are ruining a First Person Shooter" You realize that the other ones you mentioned, with the exception of the Scrambler Rifle (though I could have misconstrued this as you might have meant Sniper Rifle) are all specialization weapons right? They have different gameplay elements meant for different things, all of which are circumstantial and subjective where as the Assault Rifle is a general combat weapon - which isn't it amazing just happens to be the most commonly used? The AR does a better job than everything, in every situation. There's no reason to use a mass driver, laser rifle, machine gun, submachine gun, shotgun, or pistol. When the variety is ruined, and there's no reason to use anything else, then yes, the ARs are ruining the game. My Minmatar assault shotgun build disagree with you.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 171	Posted - 2013.06.07 18:38:00 - [77] - Quote Zyrus Amalomyn wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Meh ARs are ruining the gun game. No point in speccing into LR, SR, MD, etc. So I'll run you over and laugh till CCP balances the damn game. Lmfao, love this argument: "Guns are ruining a First Person Shooter" You realize that the other ones you mentioned, with the exception of the Scrambler Rifle (though I could have misconstrued this as you might have meant Sniper Rifle) are all specialization weapons right? They have different gameplay elements meant for different things, all of which are circumstantial and subjective where as the Assault Rifle is a general combat weapon - which isn't it amazing just happens to be the most commonly used? The AR does a better job than everything, in every situation. There's no reason to use a mass driver, laser rifle, machine gun, submachine gun, shotgun, or pistol. When the variety is ruined, and there's no reason to use anything else, then yes, the ARs are ruining the game. My Minmatar assault shotgun build disagree with you. Whatever, I don't run infantry. Couldn't confirm or deny.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 231	Posted - 2013.06.07 18:56:00 - [78] - Quote i have encountered a logi LAV. they aint so tough. i did have my squad keep fire on it to keep its sheilds down. the LAV problem is fixing itself by people running an AV fit. who knew?
Helper Friendly Planetary Response Organization 18	Posted - 2013.06.07 19:10:00 - [79] - Quote Every time a weapon nerf happens I see more of this. I have actually talked and heard such conversation in game. Its those cry babies way of getting back at CCP and other players Nerf my weapon of choice: Spawn free LAV run people over Yea you know who you are, man up. CCP doesn't fix this it will be called grand turismo 514 not Dust 514. I mean what does anyone loose who does this? Nothing Militia suit militia lav = no risk involved. At least undo the militia vehicle buff or make it cost something!
Draco Cerberus Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy 106	Posted - 2013.06.07 19:20:00 - [80] - Quote Can I customize my murder taxi with a Skull on the hood for every merc I run over with it, the armor value would be excelent and I could use it to hide behind if I'm being shot at. On a serious note, a vehicle should not necessarily kill when it hits something, there is a physics calculation for the amount of damage done calculated by hitting something at speed with a mass attached to the inertia or something that I can't seem to remember no matter how hard I try to recall it but all the young physics students and old physics professors playing the gam could probably find it for you. This should not be hard to fix, please please fix this Wolfman, our troops are turning into high priced rag stops for the murder taxis and they don't even stop them all that much anymore.

Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 33	Posted - 2013.06.07 19:24:00 - [81] - Quote Logi Lav's are fine, put back militia to Chromosome stats.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.06.07 19:56:00 - [82] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Logi Lav's are fine. Trolling right?
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 251	Posted - 2013.06.07 20:06:00 - [83] - Quote Beep beep murder taxi comming through . Next stop your mcc
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.06.08 00:15:00 - [84] - Quote I like it. More explosions! I allways thought it was weird seeing a heavy waddle across a sniper field because it was a liabilty to call in a coffin to get to the other objective.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 332	Posted - 2013.06.08 01:45:00 - [85] - Quote Lots of people are only spec'd into AV grenades. When people start spec'ing into swarms further they won't be in pub matches. Just give it some time. Next month I'll be working into swarm proficiency. Two guys with proto swarms stacking 3 damage mods will ensure they only bring it out once.
Unmei no Hoeru Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS. 1	Posted - 2013.06.08 07:26:00 - [86] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Of course a simple solution for a simple problem (with more SP investment than before btw) , I personally recomend the Plasma Cannon - such a great AV weapon.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2013.06.08 09:41:00 - [87] - Quote Provolonee wrote: I like it. More explosions! I allways thought it was weird seeing a heavy waddle across a sniper field because it was a liabilty to call in a coffin to get to the other objective. I am literally at work, crying at this. On topic: I shouldn't have to look both ways and wait for the green light to cross open ground in Dust. If I want to dodge constant vehicular death I'll go and play Dust on the freeway. Now that's metagaming.
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:01:00 - [88] - Quote up ur av game stop crying
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:03:00 - [89] - Quote Unmei no Hoeru wrote: Darken-Sol wrote: Run AV. Stop crying Of course a simple solution for a simple problem (with more SP investment than before btw) , I personally recomend the Plasma Cannon - such a great AV weapon. interesting i thought the plasma cannon was garbage..good to know someone is using it
ImpureMort Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 103	Posted - 2013.06.08 10:05:00 - [90] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Ronan Elsword wrote: Logi Lav's are fine. Trolling right? no why would he be trolling lav's are the only balanced vehicle in this game it takes proto av to deal with a logi lav unless u are extremely skilled lucky or has both in your teamates. logi lav it the only vehicle that forces people to go proto to kill..and the only proto vehicle that has a high survivability rate in a skilled drivers hands.



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