Clearly maybe your tactics aren't working anymore. A dedicated, hardcore LAV should not be destroyed by a single AV grenade. Maybe you should go for a dedicated AV fit and throw an actual amount of swarm launchers and/or Forge Guns at the jeep. And if that LAV is Shield tanked, maybe you shouldn't rely on EXPLOSIVE weapons to destroy them, and instead use the weapons ideal for taking out shields.

As a heavy, on the fishbowl map, there is little I can do against LAVs. If the enemy is fortified in an area, I need to cross the street to break that fortification, otherwise if I stay where my teammates are, I don't have the range. If I use an assault HMG, the enemies can just take cover once I deplete their shields, and I end up running out of ammo with only 3-5 kills this way.

If I cross the street, it takes me anywhere from 5-15 seconds depending on the space. I carry Hacked EXO grenades, and if I throw them at an oncomming FREE LAV, the single grenade won't kill it, and by the time I am aware of its presence, I only have time to throw one of these grenades. Then there are two factors I have to consider:

1) The fact that the LAV is actually going FASTER than my AV 'nade can chase it, thus rendering it ineffective
2) I have to hope that I can run my stubby little legs fast enough to get out of the way (this never happens). So, when a free LAV is running full speed, I've got no hope to kill it.

I've specced into Forge, and this makes me ONLY effective against Vehicles and not very effective vs. troops. And when I get out into cover to shoot at LAVs, the only gun that can one shot them is the breach Forge Gun. Other guns just pound away at shields, LAVs drive away, repair shields then come back. The only thing I can do as a heavy is scare them away.

What's worse, is that I took cover next to some stairs as I dodged an LAV, it backed up and rolled in at maybe 35% speed, and took me out for ALL of my health 1.2k EHP. So even when the LAVs are moving slowly, their bumpers will kill you. Bear in mind, I was pinned against a wall, but still it didn't hit me that hard.

Thus when it comes to vehicle friendly maps such as "Tabletop", "Fishbowl" and "Bridge" Heavies don't stand a chance to defend themselves against LAVs if they're using HMGs. And if we bring out the forge guns, people will find us and kill us before we can become effective.

I miss the days when my standard AV grenades would one shot a MLT LAV.

Please CCP, Nerf the EHP and speed of MLT and BPO LAVs.

Free LAVs aren't the problem. AV grenades easily take care of them. The problem is the logi LAVs people use in EVERY domination and ambush match to run people over. The unfortunate fact is that with all the kills earned, the matchmaking based on WP won't separate the skilled shooters from the giggling car drivers.

I was in that squad with The Attorney General, and I'll have you know that I was NOT giggling; I was laughing! But the fact that we were able to earn two Orbitals while spending most of the time in LAVs seems to indicate that a little tweaking is in order.

While I agree that there are some problems with the lav, nuking it is not the solution.

First, AV nades are up against them, I agree. They Need a bit of a damage buff, and an increase to their tracking range and homing speed.

Second, vehicles in general need to show up on suit sensors waaaaay more readily. This thing about not having them show up until after they hit you and are already in front of you is bullshit. EVEN TANKS CAN DO THIS AT TIMES! You can drive a vehicle behind someone and miss them by millimeters without the sensors going off. That's just crap, and I feel like we should all get refunded for those ****** suits. Really, where's the recall?

Second, I feel that the militia lav should, in fact, be shittier. 1 pack av, maybe 2 standard av, and the thing should be a twisted wreck.


That's my 2 bits on the subject.

Also, Hi, Darken! ^_^

I see a lot less HAVs and a lot more LAVs... I wonder why (oh, I know why). Btw, the LLAV are proper LAVs; AV nades are not proper AV. The problem lies in the team not having proper AV, not the LLAVs. This is just a case of vehicle users adapting rather then dying, and the infantry dying from not adapting.

I agree IF they don't nerf the LAV's then make rooms WITHOUT LAV's , tanks etc... this has gotten out of hand

I have anti vehicle gear and I do blow yall fu ckerz up... just annoyin more than anything..

What are we supposed to be adopting?

rather see this a shooting game again instead of this Fast and Furious Dust-style bull shiet

Its Feedback, i dont agree with the way LAVs are at the moment. Thats why i made this post, You dont have to agree with my opinion. But starting a conflict by saying stuff like ``Your Crying on the Forum-¦-¦ doesnt add anything to the discussion, it just clearly shows that the forum is to hard for you.

I didnt mind jeeps in pre-uprising. Never had problems with them, its just that why does a FREE jeep, that u get for NOTHING, and you never put any points in LAVs survive a AV grenade? The LAV is for getting from A to B, you should be able to or blow it up even with light weapons fire. Or, make it easier to shoot the driver out of the LAV.

Lmfao, love this argument:

"Guns are ruining a First Person Shooter"

You realize that the other ones you mentioned, with the exception of the Scrambler Rifle (though I could have misconstrued this as you might have meant Sniper Rifle) are all specialization weapons right? They have different gameplay elements meant for different things, all of which are circumstantial and subjective where as the Assault Rifle is a general combat weapon - which isn't it amazing just happens to be the most commonly used?

1. remove free LAV's

2. dropsuits have inertial dampners... why can't we use them to avoid LAV death

3. proximity mines should send any LAV tumbling. proximity mines should be magnetic. we need flux proximity min

4. no need to nerf the LAV.

Im not stating i will quit dust, i love it. Only i dont like the LAVs everyyyyyywhere at the moment.
Nerfing is also not the best solution to everything, but quitting the game because they nerfed an LAV.
Then you deserve to leave, and you'd do us all a favor.

However, i am not totally adjusting my gameplay because there are FREE MILITIA vehicles where you have to spend 0 SP to get into. How can a guy with a totally free outfit ISK and SP wise, run me over wearing a 180k ISK outfit that cost me MONTHS to get.
Why does a Militia Dropsuit, die when i fart on it? But a Militia jeep needs fkin 2-3 AV grenades?
A militia LAV should be destroyable by small arms fire tbh.
Its for getting from A, to B, nothing more.

You're what's wrong with this game.
"This thing that's clearly an issue isn't an issue because ____"

As if no one thought to run AV yet.

My Minmatar assault shotgun build disagree with you.