I sort of agree about AV nades... Sort of...

I'd much rather see some AV mines. Make those the go-to disposable Anti-tank weapon for infantry. Until then the AV nade needs to stay..

Vehicles are balanced... for a build none of us have access to right now.

STD tanks are good against STD AV, ok against ADV AV, and die to proto AV. As it should be.

But there is no ADV or PROTO tank designed for fighting infantry.

Yes I run vehicles on my 5 mil sp alt.

Yes I play PC, but not on my vehicle alt.

Tanks are fine.

CCP needs to hurry up and release the rest of the content the game is balanced around.

I'm an AV unit and think tanks are UP. I don't even use my proto SL (only use it when there is A LOT of vehicles) much because the ADV SL does the job good enough. I don't think the SL needed the 10% dmg boost that all the other weapons got.

Also I play PC sometimes.

I remember when I had pride, keepin my surya alive for 30 matches (with slayer squad friends). Now i become happy when I keep my tank alive for one match with 5 more slayer friends.

Logi LAV's are AT LEAST adv level. Even proto AV doesn't give them to much trouble.

As everyone knows, I'm a pretty vocal Vehicle player (inb4whoruscrub?), I'm in favour of balancing everything and understand there are times when I will be brought to my knees by a single experienced forge gunner, but I'm getting tired of this horrible balancing from CCP.

Now before people come crawling out of their holes to defend how this is how Tanks should be, you have to answer a few questions.

Are you a specialized Vehicle/AV Player? (This means, have you dedicated yourself to one type of playstyle, not just added a couple of points into a Swarm Launcher and decided to call yourself the Tank Buster, nor are you a Tanker if you've got a sica with a rail and you're rolling thinking you're l33t because you red line snipe.)

Do you play PC? (Simple question)

These two questions will tell people enough. If you're not specialized, you have a very miniscule say in any Vehicle/AV debate, it is not your place to tell us how the vehicles and anti-vehicles should work, I won't whine about your AR, you don't whine about your swarms not killing a tank. Don't play PC? Again, not really qualified to talk about vehicle balance, PC changes the battlefield completely, with everyone pulling their best gear (Tanks being standard, AV being Officer.)

So the question, when do I get to go toe to toe with AVers?

Vehicles have a massive disadvantage at the minute, we have no way to compete against higher tier AV. Let's look at Vehicles and clear things up.

Militia Tank > Standard Tank (Enforcer Tanks come under this role, offering no real advantage other than slightly higher damage output, you cannot call this advanced.)

Militia LAV > Standard LAV (And Scout) > Logistics LAV (It's hench, let's admit it before someone cries.)

Militia Dropship > Standard Dropship (Assault/Logi included)

AV...

Militia Forge > Standard Forge > Advanced Forge > Prototype Forge > Officer Forge

Militia Swarms > Standard Swarms > Advanced Swarms > Prototype Swarms

Standard Plasma Cannon > Advanced Plasma Cannon > Prototype Plasma Cannon (Admittedly, these are awful.)

Standard AV Nades > Advanced AV Nades > Prototype AV Nades


Do we notice anything? Apart from the Logi LAV, no vehicle type has anything higher than a standard type vehicle, and let's be honest, this is the thing that is killing us, that is what's missing from the balance. Militia v Militia, it goes either way, Standard v Standard, Vehicles are survivable, anything above that usually means death to the Vehicle Player.

CCP needs to address this, and they need to offer a viable solution for it, it is not fun losing a vehicle simply because CCP hasn't put in the correct vehicles to combat the AV. If it needs to be done, AV tiers need to match Vehicle Tiers, resulting in standard AV fighting us.

TL;DR: Vehicle vs AV is pretty much balanced apart from Dropships and AV Grenades, we need the Advanced and Proto vehicles before CCP does any editing to the numbers.

But enough of my thoughts, speak to me on balance.

To add, I don't consider having skilled up for prototype AV grenades to be legitimate anti-vehicle capability. AVs should be used to soften targets, or get people using ISK LAVs to run away. I just cannot and will not consider that to be a legitimate anti-vehicle person, nor would I give them respect either. It's only 621,000 SP to get to prototype AV, while my vehicle command alone is far more than that. I'm done for the night or else I'd give hard numbers on my vehicle SP stats.

Your 621,000 SP investment should not be able to destroy my 8+ mil SP investment so easily.

DS pilot here: dedicated

Drop ships are a mess. CCP are silent on this. I think this is because they have changes in the works so I am prepared to wait and comment when it comes. In the mean time if I'm not being OHK by a standard forge or homing super AV grenades I ride shot gun in a tank.

The big problem is AV carried by infantry specialists. Currently you can carry as a ground player :

The best AR in the game
The strongest armour and shield combo
Some spare ammo with a hive

You are the perfect infantry man. A specialist at killing other troops. BUT.. You can also carry 3 mega strong, fast deploy anti vehicle grenades that rip tanks and dropships to bits. Why? Why should a player be able to do it all? AV should be a class of player, maybe even a suit

Assault
Logistics
AV
Pilot

I think AV should be restricted to one suit. This game needs all classes to make your team win. No AV guy and there is a tank... Silly you, you should have brought one. Currently as a tank, lav, or DS you face maybe 16 people are rocking a potential 5600 AV damage each with no penalty to their ability to play their role. flux, even works on infantry too so no loss there should a tank not turn up.