As a stop gap they could always remove advanced and proto AV

Sure the tears would flow when ppl cannot 2 shot that HAV with proto AV but it will balance the field a bit

Officer Forge kills 5400 with 10% resists in skills and the two 15% Resists on there, in 2 shots. Third shot kills in, this all happens in around 5 seconds. To quote many corpmates "Fighting a Tank isn't scary anymore." Before, you would see a tank and comms would be "**** theres a tank" followed by people getting AV ready, now it's "Tank on the field" followed by one guy saying "Ahahaha it's dead" moments later.

As everyone knows, I'm a pretty vocal Vehicle player (inb4whoruscrub?), I'm in favour of balancing everything and understand there are times when I will be brought to my knees by a single experienced forge gunner, but I'm getting tired of this horrible balancing from CCP.

Now before people come crawling out of their holes to defend how this is how Tanks should be, you have to answer a few questions.

Are you a specialized Vehicle/AV Player? (This means, have you dedicated yourself to one type of playstyle, not just added a couple of points into a Swarm Launcher and decided to call yourself the Tank Buster, nor are you a Tanker if you've got a sica with a rail and you're rolling thinking you're l33t because you red line snipe.)

Do you play PC? (Simple question)

These two questions will tell people enough. If you're not specialized, you have a very miniscule say in any Vehicle/AV debate, it is not your place to tell us how the vehicles and anti-vehicles should work, I won't whine about your AR, you don't whine about your swarms not killing a tank. Don't play PC? Again, not really qualified to talk about vehicle balance, PC changes the battlefield completely, with everyone pulling their best gear (Tanks being standard, AV being Officer.)

So the question, when do I get to go toe to toe with AVers?

Vehicles have a massive disadvantage at the minute, we have no way to compete against higher tier AV. Let's look at Vehicles and clear things up.

Militia Tank > Standard Tank (Enforcer Tanks come under this role, offering no real advantage other than slightly higher damage output, you cannot call this advanced.)

Militia LAV > Standard LAV (And Scout) > Logistics LAV (It's hench, let's admit it before someone cries.)

Militia Dropship > Standard Dropship (Assault/Logi included)

AV...

Militia Forge > Standard Forge > Advanced Forge > Prototype Forge > Officer Forge

Militia Swarms > Standard Swarms > Advanced Swarms > Prototype Swarms

Standard Plasma Cannon > Advanced Plasma Cannon > Prototype Plasma Cannon (Admittedly, these are awful.)

Standard AV Nades > Advanced AV Nades > Prototype AV Nades


Do we notice anything? Apart from the Logi LAV, no vehicle type has anything higher than a standard type vehicle, and let's be honest, this is the thing that is killing us, that is what's missing from the balance. Militia v Militia, it goes either way, Standard v Standard, Vehicles are survivable, anything above that usually means death to the Vehicle Player.

CCP needs to address this, and they need to offer a viable solution for it, it is not fun losing a vehicle simply because CCP hasn't put in the correct vehicles to combat the AV. If it needs to be done, AV tiers need to match Vehicle Tiers, resulting in standard AV fighting us.

TL;DR: Vehicle vs AV is pretty much balanced apart from Dropships and AV Grenades, we need the Advanced and Proto vehicles before CCP does any editing to the numbers.

But enough of my thoughts, speak to me on balance.

As everyone knows, I'm a pretty vocal Vehicle player (inb4whoruscrub?), I'm in favour of balancing everything and understand there are times when I will be brought to my knees by a single experienced forge gunner, but I'm getting tired of this horrible balancing from CCP.

Now before people come crawling out of their holes to defend how this is how Tanks should be, you have to answer a few questions.

Are you a specialized Vehicle/AV Player? (This means, have you dedicated yourself to one type of playstyle, not just added a couple of points into a Swarm Launcher and decided to call yourself the Tank Buster, nor are you a Tanker if you've got a sica with a rail and you're rolling thinking you're l33t because you red line snipe.)

Do you play PC? (Simple question)

These two questions will tell people enough. If you're not specialized, you have a very miniscule say in any Vehicle/AV debate, it is not your place to tell us how the vehicles and anti-vehicles should work, I won't whine about your AR, you don't whine about your swarms not killing a tank. Don't play PC? Again, not really qualified to talk about vehicle balance, PC changes the battlefield completely, with everyone pulling their best gear (Tanks being standard, AV being Officer.)

So the question, when do I get to go toe to toe with AVers?

Vehicles have a massive disadvantage at the minute, we have no way to compete against higher tier AV. Let's look at Vehicles and clear things up.

Militia Tank > Standard Tank (Enforcer Tanks come under this role, offering no real advantage other than slightly higher damage output, you cannot call this advanced.)

Militia LAV > Standard LAV (And Scout) > Logistics LAV (It's hench, let's admit it before someone cries.)

Militia Dropship > Standard Dropship (Assault/Logi included)

AV...

Militia Forge > Standard Forge > Advanced Forge > Prototype Forge > Officer Forge

Militia Swarms > Standard Swarms > Advanced Swarms > Prototype Swarms

Standard Plasma Cannon > Advanced Plasma Cannon > Prototype Plasma Cannon (Admittedly, these are awful.)

Standard AV Nades > Advanced AV Nades > Prototype AV Nades


Do we notice anything? Apart from the Logi LAV, no vehicle type has anything higher than a standard type vehicle, and let's be honest, this is the thing that is killing us, that is what's missing from the balance. Militia v Militia, it goes either way, Standard v Standard, Vehicles are survivable, anything above that usually means death to the Vehicle Player.

CCP needs to address this, and they need to offer a viable solution for it, it is not fun losing a vehicle simply because CCP hasn't put in the correct vehicles to combat the AV. If it needs to be done, AV tiers need to match Vehicle Tiers, resulting in standard AV fighting us.

TL;DR: Vehicle vs AV is pretty much balanced apart from Dropships and AV Grenades, we need the Advanced and Proto vehicles before CCP does any editing to the numbers.

But enough of my thoughts, speak to me on balance.

Aye, it was the wrong move for the LAVs, also Plasma Cannons are ridiculously UP, we know this, nobody is arguing otherwise. Oh we do run crews for our tanks, but was is the point when you get three shotted anyways? With higher tier tanks that are more risky to bring out you're going to want infantry working with you a lot more.

You used a Prototype Forge? I thought you said about a Plasma Cannon? Which is completely UP and needs a buff. You talk about three tanks, tell me how many AVers were on your team? Ones not using Militia Gear?

Teamwork is in various forms, when I run my Tank, I have 5 Infantry supporting (usually), I use the active scanner to make sure my Infantry finds the solo AVers, but if the Solo AVer is sitting on a roof just hitting me from a distance, that solo AVer will win even with my crew supporting me. That's 6 people for the Tank, and 1 person killing it. Two Standard Forge Guns will annihilate me, providing they know how to work together. 2 v 6, with it favouring 2 seems fair enough.

Also, that should be unavailable as an option for Tankers, the majority of buildings are "inaccessible" when you try to call a vehicle in, so go to the map support section and point out the coordinates that the Tanker managed to put his tank on.

I asked a question in the first part, apologies if I didn't make it clearer.

So you used a Plasma Cannon, the exact thing I've said is completely underpowered.

Believe me, I am not "Mistaken". My fits are more than decent and yet they cannot survive more than three shots from the forge guns. It kills me in seconds, that I can assure you and that is from a solo gunner.
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