TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR.
Sigh
You never learn do you CCP?
Can you please put a limit on the fire rate?

question:

THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?..

question:

THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?..

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

No delay as far as I know of.
People are using it like a full auto AR.
Sometimes I could swear I'm in a 1v1 vs a duvolle, but its actually a TAC AR.

No delay as far as I know of.
People are using it like a full auto AR.
Sometimes I could swear I'm in a 1v1 vs a duvolle, but its actually a TAC AR.

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

The ROF on the GLU-5 is 789.5 RPM; that's higher than the GEK's 750 RPM!
Lowering ROF to between 120 and 240 rpm would solve the issue of modded controllers.

Just for frame of reference, that's 13 taps per second. This is quasi impossible without a turbo controller, even if you used two fingers you'd probably top out at 200 clicks per minute.

Never asked for a damage decrease.
Decreasing the ROF would be good.
I would put it at 100, that means 1.6 taps per second.
I think the idea behind the TAC AR is to have a battle rifle like weapon.
Battle rifles are shot at about this rate.
This will also make it useless at close range, just like its supposed to be IMHO.

Never asked for a damage decrease.
Decreasing the ROF would be good.
I would put it at 100, that means 1.6 taps per second.
I think the idea behind the TAC AR is to have a battle rifle like weapon.
Battle rifles are shot at about this rate.
This will also make it useless at close range, just like its supposed to be IMHO.

I've tried it with a mouse, you cannot click as fast as you can with a Controller without messing your aiming since rapid clicks will surely vibrate the mouse pointer which is not good for 30 bullets.

EDIT: So if you hear a TAC AR shooting at a continious even speed, that doesn't seem to miss. Surely it's a controller not a mouse. most likely modded.

"Controllers need to be nerfed! Us KBM players aims go slightly off when we rapid fire a tac ar and the controller is OP!

I meant no such thing.

Fix(not nerf) the TAC AR. Leave controllers/KBM as is.

1.6 clicks per second?! 96 rpm?! It'll take 18.75 seconds to empty my clip?! Are you f'n serious?

Why are we non modders getting punished for being able to fire fast and be accurate? Also, I haven't ran into a Tac user with a modded controller -- it's obvious with the sound it produces.

Just remove the 10% damage buff on it.

Its supposed to do long range, accurate damage.
Kinda like a battle rifle.

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

The tac sniper rifle, maybe even the regular sniper rifle, fires faster than that.


You're just being ridiculous.

Most modded controller fire about 900 rpm, this gets down sampled to 450 since 1/2 the button presses are ignored since they exceed the rate of fire.

I tested firing about 430 rpm with Dualshock, looked the same visually as snakeeye turbo 450rpm.

I found it more effective to use finger since you can tap at slower rate of about 250rpm and step it up when tracers are on target. The junk turbo controller also had junk aiming sticks.

Mouse rapid fire is done by binding mouse wheel to fire button, one turn could be whole magazine.

Best way to tell if rapid button presses are from machine or finger is to check the spacing between consecutive pushes. If two consecutive pushes have same spacing and same time held it is probably a circuit doing it, human would have slight variations.

If this was checked and perfect match resulted in no shot fired, a modded controllers turbo would fire a single shot till the button was released. A player with fast finger could still fire at top speed, odds of perfect match of both spacing and duration of press is very low and would only drop a single shot.

It could still be a balance issue if fast trigger players are doing it with fingers, rather then nerf to rof, add over heat. If rapid fire is sustained tac ar overheats, but current rof is feasible for short time. Rof su dps of about 1/2 standard ar should be sustainable. The need to manage heat build up alone would discourage many modded controller users and get some fast finger people that don't pay attention to it.

Some people can fire at these rates, paintball power feeds are only needed if exceeding 8rpm, and this is often done. Many professional paintball players can fire at 15rpm.

Pre-WWI rifle drill, the mad minute, bolt action rifle fired at 12" target at 270m, many riflemen could exceed 30 hits in under a minute. This is with iron sights aiming between shots and reloading with 5 round clips. Record was 38 hits.

You're joking?
You may go now and check what's the RPM on the TAC SR.
Also, the TAC AR got a higher clip size.
Like 7 times more than the SR.

Halo has a limiter in place that prevents users from firing any weapon faster than its intended rate of fire in case of modded controllers with jitters.

That seems like a good idea. I just finished a match not 15 minutes ago where my whole team got rolled hardcore by some people I can only assume where using modded controllers. I make this assumption because in very close quarters ( 5-15 feet) they where firing Advanced and Proto Tactical ARs full auto from the hip and perhaps more telling while scoped( if you use it you know why that's impossible to do legit with that kick) and murder everyone that was near them. It was ridiculous in a OMS ambush match it ended 0 to 72. That's just game breaking. Wish people did not always have to cheat in games . I will never truly understand why some people want to win so badly that they will cheat in a multilayer video game where the whole point is competition.

I really hope CCP will fix this before the 14th or PC is going to be horrible.

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

Anyway watch this guys videos....and discover how bad you are at FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FRANKIEonPCin1080p

You fail at comprehension. My statement was referring to the '1.6 clicks per second' a Tac SR or maybe even a basic SR can fire faster than 1.6 rounds a second.

You may go back to elementary.

Screw modded controllers not us normal folk.

TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR.
Sigh
You never learn do you CCP?
Can you please put a limit on the fire rate?

Ironically it is only the bad players who whine about this gun.


People have a better trigger finger then me. Therefore, they must be using a Modded controller lol.

100 RMP seriously. This why the game is such a bad state because of cry babies like Cat Merc

Ironically it is only the bad players who whine about this gun.


People have a better trigger finger then me. Therefore, they must be using a Modded controller lol.

100 RMP seriously. This is why the game is such a bad state because of cry babies like Cat Merc

CCP didn't care about your QQ during closed beta what thinks they are now. TAC has range on most guns. I know I feel it and it hurts, but when I can catch TAC user with my GEK or smg I rip them apart.

Once again the dust community wants stats nerfed because something kills them.

Put the rpm to 400 thats where the breach is sitting at and should be enough.

I think it should be around 300 RPM.
That will put it at slightly lower DPS than the full auto variant.

Why does it need to be lower than the auto version I agree it needs toning down but the general nothing is balanced till its worse than the AR is just silly.

So, just as an example, nearly every AR in Planetside 2 has a semi-auto function, and no restriction of fire rate.

I can click fast enough to pump out rounds like it's set to automatic, while maintaining greater accuracy.

Think you just need to work on your strafing, man.

Does it get more than double the damage when you switch to semi auto?
There is no working on your strafing when a gun can have over 1000 DPS, you just die.

Mapping the Mouse wheel to do a click ... hmmmmmm ... sounds like something only possible on a PC not on a PS3.

Oswald put 3 bullets into Kennedy in 5.6 seconds with a bolt action rifle.

Pretty sure clicking a button real fast is much easier.

Anyway watch this guys videos....and discover how bad you are at FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FRANKIEonPCin1080p

Programmable mouse. Way more lol than a modded controller.

Report rates, macros and turbo features on a mouse put all modded controllers to shame.

Moreover a TAC AR has a recoil to it that gets harder to control the more you fire it as you near that top rate. Fact is i can fire a full auto AR in this game with rapid button presses and you would never note when i am off the trigger and it will look like im just holding the trigger the entire tip.


Protip: When firing rapid button presses dont fully release the trigger learn to slide it so it lifts just enough and never pull your finger off the trigger. It really isnt hard to get a rapid series of trigger responses.

Right...
Because 780 RPM for a gun like this is logical right?
Get lot, your posts are useless.
I don't whine unless there is a good reason to do it, and CCP gave me loads of reasons.

You people are the truest sense of the word fanboy, you just can't believe that CCP made a mistake.

I can tell if its a modded controller, my ear can sense things that repeat with perfect timing.
Its just a little quirk I have.
And even if its not, 1000 DPS is insane.

P.S

I didn't whine before Uprising about anything, the game was good enough then.
So no, nothing of this is because of me.

Also, that's the fire rate this gun should have:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_GruYTaJk

I can tell if its a modded controller, my ear can sense things that repeat with perfect timing.

Now you just need to STFU. Please don't go all sensi on me.

Prove right now that anyone is using a TAR. Just prove it, well I mean other than your heightened hearing skills LMFAO.

People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER"

The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that.
Your argument is invalid.

Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid.

Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid.

You are welcome to try and play against a squad of people using modded controllers.
See if your fingers can even get close to that speed.

Name me a squad of mod controller users and i'll be sure to seek them out and play against them today.

Modded controllers aren't running rampant... but I get your intention to draw attention to a problem. There is a problem, ROF is too fast. Needs to be dropped down to 300ish.

As to the ideas to get rid of the scope or nerf damage... those are just STUPID. The whole point is to have a high dmg, high range AR. One that probably shouldn't be too good in CQC. The only way to "fix" the weapon, w/o breaking it INTENDED function, is to drop the ROF.

Oswald put 3 bullets into Kennedy in 5.6 seconds with a bolt action rifle.

Pretty sure clicking a button real fast is much easier.

Anyway watch this guys videos....and discover how bad you are at FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/user/FRANKIEonPCin1080p

Modded controllers aren't running rampant... but I get your intention to draw attention to a problem. There is a problem, ROF is too fast. Needs to be dropped down to 300ish.

As to the ideas to get rid of the scope or nerf damage... those are just STUPID. The whole point is to have a high dmg, high range AR. One that probably shouldn't be too good in CQC. The only way to "fix" the weapon, w/o breaking it INTENDED function, is to drop the ROF.

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

The only thing i can say is that a modded controller did NOT work on tactical assault rifles in Cromosone. ( I tested it back then)
i dont know why it did NOT work but i think it had something to do with kickback of the rifle. ( the kickback the rifle gives when you fire it was to great to get a fast ROF )

I have no idea if it works now, my son has the modded controller at his moms right now so i cant test it right now

i am pretty sure it does work now, i to se players shooting way to fast for normal fingers, hehe

i hope my son comes to visit soon so i can test this OP way to use this weapon....

I don't think you should Nerf ROF on a semi auto gun. Just increase recoil significantly after the 3rd shot. That'll force burst fire and calculated shots while leaving it viable for cqc.

OP clearly never played NES track and field. Get on my level son, I've played more games that required ridiculous button tapping than you've had birthdays.

This thread is now about games that hurt your hands.
I'll start with Mega Man

It's not a CQC weapon. It's designed to be used at medium-long range.

Also, the Tac rifle used to have more recoil, but then everyone complained that it was useless. We'll just be back to having threadnaughts about unfair nerfs again.

question:

THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?..

Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.

TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR.
Sigh
You never learn do you CCP?
Can you please put a limit on the fire rate?