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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:19:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER"
The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that.
Your argument is invalid. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:23:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER" The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that. Your argument is invalid.
Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
364
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:30:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER" The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that. Your argument is invalid. Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid.
because you use them yourself and are scare to lose your I win button. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:30:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER" The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that. Your argument is invalid. Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid.
You are welcome to try and play against a squad of people using modded controllers.
See if your fingers can even get close to that speed. |
Protoman Is God
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
189
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:33:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER" The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that. Your argument is invalid. Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid. You are welcome to try and play against a squad of people using modded controllers. See if your fingers can even get close to that speed.
Name me a squad of mod controller users and i'll be sure to seek them out and play against them today. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
566
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:35:00 -
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Modded controllers aren't running rampant... but I get your intention to draw attention to a problem. There is a problem, ROF is too fast. Needs to be dropped down to 300ish.
As to the ideas to get rid of the scope or nerf damage... those are just STUPID. The whole point is to have a high dmg, high range AR. One that probably shouldn't be too good in CQC. The only way to "fix" the weapon, w/o breaking it INTENDED function, is to drop the ROF. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:38:00 -
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Protoman Is God wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Protoman Is God wrote:People team fire with tacs of course you're going to die running out into the open. As every DUST514 noob says "USE COVER" The TAC AR is being used as a CQC weapon and is excellent at that. Your argument is invalid. Because you titled this thread "mod controllers are running rampant" Everything you say is invalid. You are welcome to try and play against a squad of people using modded controllers. See if your fingers can even get close to that speed. Name me a squad of mod controller users and i'll be sure to seek them out and play against them today.
I don't ever remember names.
I just find it pointless to do so, as you will rarely meet again.
Just play around, you are bound to find them. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:39:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Modded controllers aren't running rampant... but I get your intention to draw attention to a problem. There is a problem, ROF is too fast. Needs to be dropped down to 300ish.
As to the ideas to get rid of the scope or nerf damage... those are just STUPID. The whole point is to have a high dmg, high range AR. One that probably shouldn't be too good in CQC. The only way to "fix" the weapon, w/o breaking it INTENDED function, is to drop the ROF.
Exactly |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
178
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Posted - 2013.05.11 16:59:00 -
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I have yet to run into someone with a modded controler... |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
88
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:21:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Oswald put 3 bullets into Kennedy in 5.6 seconds with a bolt action rifle. Pretty sure clicking a button real fast is much easier. Anyway watch this guys videos....and discover how bad you are at FPS. http://www.youtube.com/user/FRANKIEonPCin1080p
nobody believes that lol |
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GOONS Rule
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.05.16 13:47:00 -
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without kill cams how can you be sure you have NEVER seen one? |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
449
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:30:00 -
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Actually someone noted this the other day. For those who can program their mouse/keyboard for different controls on this game. If they can program it then they can have the mouse wheel as the fire button and that would act similarly to a modded controller......already still not sure how much that help since the faster you fire the more you have issues with recoil. |
Cybus Trama'dol
EYE Security Task Force and Resources Acquisition
52
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:36:00 -
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mikegunnz wrote:Modded controllers aren't running rampant... but I get your intention to draw attention to a problem. There is a problem, ROF is too fast. Needs to be dropped down to 300ish.
As to the ideas to get rid of the scope or nerf damage... those are just STUPID. The whole point is to have a high dmg, high range AR. One that probably shouldn't be too good in CQC. The only way to "fix" the weapon, w/o breaking it INTENDED function, is to drop the ROF.
Reducing the clip size to 10 to force more reloads and making the hipfire spread worse would also stop the "fully automatic TAR" people would have to think about and pick their shots rather than relying on spam.... Or they could still spam at 700 RPM but they would be out of bullets in a about 2 seconds. This would bring balance to the force. The TAR would still remain a high damage accurate weapon IF you are accurate
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
133
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:38:00 -
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TODDSTER024 wrote:Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.
no need to prove it, add the delay and let's move on |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1601
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:51:00 -
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The main problem with this weapon is the ROF. Modded controllers are a side effect of this.
People don't have to use modded controllers to take advantage of this weapon though. I've actually tested this out. Not in a pub, in the MCC.
I dusted off my old custom made modded controller http://i.imgur.com/v9Oa1gN.png and gave it a go. I can achieve 9 different speeds on my controller, and the weapon effectively picked up 4. Any faster and the gun fired out of rhythm.
what I noticed however, is that the 2nd slowest speed was the best. It basically emulated what someone finger would do, except I did it easier. I could burst fire, or spray and pray from the hip.
This same effect can be achieved when someone maps their trigger to the mouse scroll wheel. Sure there's less precision, but in a cqc fight, it's all about spamming the trigger anyhow.
Now, I used the tact. without the modded controller in pubs, and I honestly didn't find the gun hard to use eitherway 
I have a decent trigger finger and aim thanks to me using semi auto sniper rifles in BF3. I tested modded controllers there as well, and it's almost useless in BF3...ROF is capped, TO A POINT. Not impossible to use a modded controller, but the gun fires smoother without one.
Bottom line to this whole argument is this, yes modded controllers are a viable means to use this gun. Is it the BEST way to use it? Not really. Is it the EASIEST way of using the gun? Yes.
How can CCP fix this? Lowering the ROF. Simple. |
PADDEhatpigen
BurgezzE.T.F
Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.05.16 14:58:00 -
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The only thing i can say is that a modded controller did NOT work on tactical assault rifles in Cromosone. ( I tested it back then)
i dont know why it did NOT work but i think it had something to do with kickback of the rifle. ( the kickback the rifle gives when you fire it was to great to get a fast ROF )
I have no idea if it works now, my son has the modded controller at his moms right now  so i cant test it right now
i am pretty sure it does work now, i to se players shooting way to fast for normal fingers, hehe
i hope my son comes to visit soon so i can test this OP way to use this weapon....
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Operative 1171 Aajli
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
10
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:01:00 -
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Seems to work fine without any special help to me with a TAC. Like my trusty M-16 used to do. I pull the trigger and it fires one time. I save ammo and put the shot where it counts rather than spraying around like a SAW hoping half the rounds hit. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1601
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Posted - 2013.05.16 15:03:00 -
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PADDEhatpigen wrote:The only thing i can say is that a modded controller did NOT work on tactical assault rifles in Cromosone. ( I tested it back then) i dont know why it did NOT work but i think it had something to do with kickback of the rifle. ( the kickback the rifle gives when you fire it was to great to get a fast ROF ) I have no idea if it works now, my son has the modded controller at his moms right now so i cant test it right now i am pretty sure it does work now, i to se players shooting way to fast for normal fingers, hehe i hope my son comes to visit soon so i can test this OP way to use this weapon....
you'll see that it's not all that people claim it to be. |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 00:57:00 -
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I don't think you should Nerf ROF on a semi auto gun. Just increase recoil significantly after the 3rd shot. That'll force burst fire and calculated shots while leaving it viable for cqc. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:18:00 -
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Imp Smash wrote:I don't think you should Nerf ROF on a semi auto gun. Just increase recoil significantly after the 3rd shot. That'll force burst fire and calculated shots while leaving it viable for cqc.
It's not a CQC weapon. It's designed to be used at medium-long range.
Also, the Tac rifle used to have more recoil, but then everyone complained that it was useless. We'll just be back to having threadnaughts about unfair nerfs again. |
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DigiOps
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:20:00 -
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KB/M? |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
32
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Posted - 2013.05.17 01:41:00 -
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Most people who complain about tac ars using modded controllers are wrong . Of course there there are some but your not getting modded controller-ed from over 10 feet. It's not hard to tap a trigger on a mouse or controller. |
Joeman505
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 02:04:00 -
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OP clearly never played NES track and field. Get on my level son, I've played more games that required ridiculous button tapping than you've had birthdays.
This thread is now about games that hurt your hands.
I'll start with Mega Man |
Commander Tuna
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.17 03:21:00 -
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Joeman505 wrote:OP clearly never played NES track and field. Get on my level son, I've played more games that required ridiculous button tapping than you've had birthdays.
This thread is now about games that hurt your hands.
I'll start with Mega Man
Metal gear solid torture scene. |
Imp Smash
On The Brink
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.05.17 04:35:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Imp Smash wrote:I don't think you should Nerf ROF on a semi auto gun. Just increase recoil significantly after the 3rd shot. That'll force burst fire and calculated shots while leaving it viable for cqc. It's not a CQC weapon. It's designed to be used at medium-long range. Also, the Tac rifle used to have more recoil, but then everyone complained that it was useless. We'll just be back to having threadnaughts about unfair nerfs again.
I know it's not a cqc weapon. But it shouldn't be useless at cqc. Just somewhat disadvantaged. As it stands its still very good at cqc and the best med-long range weapon in the game. I also felt the recoil last build was excessive. In between then and now would be more fair. An ROF Nerf would unfairly punish fast shooters.
Just my 2 isk. |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
222
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Posted - 2013.05.17 04:59:00 -
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Oh wait, but sometimes I can reach the Tac AR's top RPM... does that mean I somehow modded my fingers during my sleep?  |
Stile451
Red Star.
EoN.
80
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:03:00 -
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I have come across a few modded controllers(very easy to identify by the consistent evenly spaced shots). They don't seem to be a problem in this game though. I've only ever been killed by one once.
A lot of players have fast fingers though. |
crazy space 1
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1175
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:07:00 -
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Krightun wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR.
Sigh
You never learn do you CCP?
Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?..
None, not really |
Frontline Medic
On-Sight-Response
19
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Posted - 2013.05.17 08:12:00 -
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use of modded controller before posts like this,none,after,over 9000,thanks for planting idea op. |
bcs1a
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2013.05.18 02:59:00 -
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TODDSTER024 wrote:Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods...
Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.
I don't know what proof anyone could want, but if you get killed by something that resembles a laser beam and it's a projectile weapon, something is wrong.
and before anyone starts trying to come up with excuses, I'm talking one v one open ground and the kill is from the guy i thought had a laser rifle...
o/
Bill
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