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Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 998	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:35:00 - [1] - Quote TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate?
Krightun Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:39:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?..
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1000	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:42:00 - [3] - Quote Krightun wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?.. No delay as far as I know of. People are using it like a full auto AR. Sometimes I could swear I'm in a 1v1 vs a duvolle, but its actually a TAC AR.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 40	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:43:00 - [4] - Quote waa
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:44:00 - [5] - Quote Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods... Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 44	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:44:00 - [6] - Quote Krightun wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?.. Indeed, its a semi auto rifle The problem is that with a controller with a turbo function it can be fired much faster than normally possible How they dont have something to stop that in place already is beyond me, hell MGS1 knew when you tried to use a turbo controller and that games 15 years old and 2 console generations ago
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries 144	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:47:00 - [7] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods... Or getiing headshots and causing more damage.
KalOfTheRathi Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire 434	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:48:00 - [8] - Quote I can see your point however the descriptions give these fantastical numbers for pistols. 785RPM is a lot of bullets.
Krightun Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:48:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Krightun wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?.. No delay as far as I know of. People are using it like a full auto AR. Sometimes I could swear I'm in a 1v1 vs a duvolle, but its actually a TAC AR. hmm I know some people can click really fast with mouse. There's also the controlller thing but I Thought that was fixed before.. you can test your - CLICKING - per minute. I Don't know if you can test the controller R1 pressing speed. I think it'd be easyer and faster with the mouse. I Wonder if there is a way to change it so the modded controllers can't even play DUST 514. [ Clicks per minute tester - just a quick find on google search )
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2931	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:52:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Krightun wrote: Cat Merc wrote: TAC AR once again is used like a full auto AR. Sigh You never learn do you CCP? Can you please put a limit on the fire rate? question: THE TAC RIFLE shoots every time you press / click fire right? there's not delay ..or if there is it's very short?.. No delay as far as I know of. People are using it like a full auto AR. Sometimes I could swear I'm in a 1v1 vs a duvolle, but its actually a TAC AR. Tac AR in the right hands (or with a modded controller) can get higher RoF than a standard AR. Nerf RoF, not damage.

Krightun Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2013.05.11 10:53:00 - [11] - Quote I just got 124 clicks per minute. on that link i put up. Lets see if you can beat me. MICE ONLY ..oh and you have to use your shooting finger.. update: 131
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1000	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:02:00 - [12] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods... Or getiing headshots and causing more damage. It says on the death screen what they're using genius.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:05:00 - [13] - Quote The ROF on the GLU-5 is 789.5 RPM; that's higher than the GEK's 750 RPM! Lowering ROF to between 120 and 240 rpm would solve the issue of modded controllers. Just for frame of reference, that's 13 taps per second. This is quasi impossible without a turbo controller, even if you used two fingers you'd probably top out at 200 clicks per minute.
General Hornet Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 65	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:06:00 - [14] - Quote Sigh Smh you don't need a modded controller to tap the hell out of a trigger extra fast for rapid fire. Its actually easier to tap extremely.extremely fast yourself because you have more control.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement 51	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:08:00 - [15] - Quote Oswald put 3 bullets into Kennedy in 5.6 seconds with a bolt action rifle. Pretty sure clicking a button real fast is much easier. Anyway watch this guys videos....and discover how bad you are at FPS. http://www.youtube.com/user/FRANKIEonPCin1080p
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1001	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:10:00 - [16] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: The ROF on the GLU-5 is 789.5 RPM; that's higher than the GEK's 750 RPM! Lowering ROF to between 120 and 240 rpm would solve the issue of modded controllers. Just for frame of reference, that's 13 taps per second. This is quasi impossible without a turbo controller, even if you used two fingers you'd probably top out at 200 clicks per minute. Never asked for a damage decrease. Decreasing the ROF would be good. I would put it at 100, that means 1.6 taps per second. I think the idea behind the TAC AR is to have a battle rifle like weapon. Battle rifles are shot at about this rate. This will also make it useless at close range, just like its supposed to be IMHO.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:17:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: J-Lewis wrote: The ROF on the GLU-5 is 789.5 RPM; that's higher than the GEK's 750 RPM! Lowering ROF to between 120 and 240 rpm would solve the issue of modded controllers. Just for frame of reference, that's 13 taps per second. This is quasi impossible without a turbo controller, even if you used two fingers you'd probably top out at 200 clicks per minute. Never asked for a damage decrease. Decreasing the ROF would be good. I would put it at 100, that means 1.6 taps per second. I think the idea behind the TAC AR is to have a battle rifle like weapon. Battle rifles are shot at about this rate. This will also make it useless at close range, just like its supposed to be IMHO. TBH just over 3 shots a second (200 RPM; 3.3 RPS) would be fine. You don't learn how painful ~100 RPM is before you've used a breach scrambler pistol; those things are so slow you're dead before your 2nd or 3rd shot; yet they're meant for close combat.
Rurouni Kenshin Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:22:00 - [18] - Quote I've tried it with a mouse, you cannot click as fast as you can with a Controller without messing your aiming since rapid clicks will surely vibrate the mouse pointer which is not good for 30 bullets. EDIT: So if you hear a TAC AR shooting at a continious even speed, that doesn't seem to miss. Surely it's a controller not a mouse. most likely modded.
Rurouni Kenshin Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:24:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: J-Lewis wrote: The ROF on the GLU-5 is 789.5 RPM; that's higher than the GEK's 750 RPM! Lowering ROF to between 120 and 240 rpm would solve the issue of modded controllers. Just for frame of reference, that's 13 taps per second. This is quasi impossible without a turbo controller, even if you used two fingers you'd probably top out at 200 clicks per minute. Never asked for a damage decrease. Decreasing the ROF would be good. I would put it at 100, that means 1.6 taps per second. I think the idea behind the TAC AR is to have a battle rifle like weapon. Battle rifles are shot at about this rate. This will also make it useless at close range, just like its supposed to be IMHO. I agree. Decrease ROF to make it usesless close range but decrease Scope Recoil to promote long range use instead of it being total trash.
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 45	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:25:00 - [20] - Quote Rurouni Kenshin wrote: I've tried it with a mouse, you cannot click as fast as you can with a Controller without messing your aiming since rapid clicks will surely vibrate the mouse pointer which is not good for 30 bullets. EDIT: So if you hear a TAC AR shooting at a continious even speed, that doesn't seem to miss. Surely it's a controller not a mouse. most likely modded. "Controllers need to be nerfed! Us KBM players aims go slightly off when we rapid fire a tac ar and the controller is OP!

Rurouni Kenshin Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:41:00 - [21] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Rurouni Kenshin wrote: I've tried it with a mouse, you cannot click as fast as you can with a Controller without messing your aiming since rapid clicks will surely vibrate the mouse pointer which is not good for 30 bullets. EDIT: So if you hear a TAC AR shooting at a continious even speed, that doesn't seem to miss. Surely it's a controller not a mouse. most likely modded. "Controllers need to be nerfed! Us KBM players aims go slightly off when we rapid fire a tac ar and the controller is OP! I meant no such thing. Fix(not nerf) the TAC AR. Leave controllers/KBM as is.
Delta 749 Maverick Security Consulting 46	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:43:00 - [22] - Quote Rurouni Kenshin wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Rurouni Kenshin wrote: I've tried it with a mouse, you cannot click as fast as you can with a Controller without messing your aiming since rapid clicks will surely vibrate the mouse pointer which is not good for 30 bullets. EDIT: So if you hear a TAC AR shooting at a continious even speed, that doesn't seem to miss. Surely it's a controller not a mouse. most likely modded. "Controllers need to be nerfed! Us KBM players aims go slightly off when we rapid fire a tac ar and the controller is OP! I meant no such thing. Fix(not nerf) the TAC AR. Leave controllers/KBM as is. Oh no I didnt mean you, I was just making a joke about how the community tends to react to things
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 478	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:54:00 - [23] - Quote Most modded controller fire about 900 rpm, this gets down sampled to 450 since 1/2 the button presses are ignored since they exceed the rate of fire. I tested firing about 430 rpm with Dualshock, looked the same visually as snakeeye turbo 450rpm. I found it more effective to use finger since you can tap at slower rate of about 250rpm and step it up when tracers are on target. The junk turbo controller also had junk aiming sticks. Mouse rapid fire is done by binding mouse wheel to fire button, one turn could be whole magazine. Best way to tell if rapid button presses are from machine or finger is to check the spacing between consecutive pushes. If two consecutive pushes have same spacing and same time held it is probably a circuit doing it, human would have slight variations. If this was checked and perfect match resulted in no shot fired, a modded controllers turbo would fire a single shot till the button was released. A player with fast finger could still fire at top speed, odds of perfect match of both spacing and duration of press is very low and would only drop a single shot. It could still be a balance issue if fast trigger players are doing it with fingers, rather then nerf to rof, add over heat. If rapid fire is sustained tac ar overheats, but current rof is feasible for short time. Rof su dps of about 1/2 standard ar should be sustainable. The need to manage heat build up alone would discourage many modded controller users and get some fast finger people that don't pay attention to it. Some people can fire at these rates, paintball power feeds are only needed if exceeding 8rpm, and this is often done. Many professional paintball players can fire at 15rpm. Pre-WWI rifle drill, the mad minute, bolt action rifle fired at 12" target at 270m, many riflemen could exceed 30 hits in under a minute. This is with iron sights aiming between shots and reloading with 5 round clips. Record was 38 hits.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.11 11:59:00 - [24] - Quote 1.6 clicks per second?! 96 rpm?! It'll take 18.75 seconds to empty my clip?! Are you f'n serious? Why are we non modders getting punished for being able to fire fast and be accurate? Also, I haven't ran into a Tac user with a modded controller -- it's obvious with the sound it produces. Just remove the 10% damage buff on it.
Rurouni Kenshin Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:01:00 - [25] - Quote Mapping the Mouse wheel to do a click ... hmmmmmm ... sounds like something only possible on a PC not on a PS3.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1003	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:11:00 - [26] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: 1.6 clicks per second?! 96 rpm?! It'll take 18.75 seconds to empty my clip?! Are you f'n serious? Why are we non modders getting punished for being able to fire fast and be accurate? Also, I haven't ran into a Tac user with a modded controller -- it's obvious with the sound it produces. Just remove the 10% damage buff on it. Its supposed to do long range, accurate damage. Kinda like a battle rifle.
Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:17:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Chilled Pill wrote: 1.6 clicks per second?! 96 rpm?! It'll take 18.75 seconds to empty my clip?! Are you f'n serious? Why are we non modders getting punished for being able to fire fast and be accurate? Also, I haven't ran into a Tac user with a modded controller -- it's obvious with the sound it produces. Just remove the 10% damage buff on it. Its supposed to do long range, accurate damage. Kinda like a battle rifle. The tac sniper rifle, maybe even the regular sniper rifle, fires faster than that. You're just being ridiculous.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 233	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:23:00 - [28] - Quote The sniper rifle has a very small clip loadout.
Ted Nugget SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 103	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:33:00 - [29] - Quote TODDSTER024 wrote: Can you prove it? Maybe they are stacking complex damage mods... Or getiing headshots and causing more damage. The rifle is being fired like a fully auto heavy machine gun. That is proof in itself
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 1003	Posted - 2013.05.11 12:34:00 - [30] - Quote Chilled Pill wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Chilled Pill wrote: 1.6 clicks per second?! 96 rpm?! It'll take 18.75 seconds to empty my clip?! Are you f'n serious? Why are we non modders getting punished for being able to fire fast and be accurate? Also, I haven't ran into a Tac user with a modded controller -- it's obvious with the sound it produces. Just remove the 10% damage buff on it. Its supposed to do long range, accurate damage. Kinda like a battle rifle. The tac sniper rifle, maybe even the regular sniper rifle, fires faster than that. You're just being ridiculous. You're joking? You may go now and check what's the RPM on the TAC SR. Also, the TAC AR got a higher clip size. Like 7 times more than the SR.



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