Nothing... absolutely nothing.

Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too.

If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit.

Sidearm as primary... what a joke..

Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying.

Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf.

So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively.

Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on.

Nothing... absolutely nothing.

Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too.

If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit.

Sidearm as primary... what a joke..

The caldari logistics bonus could be toned down or changed, but I've yet to see any reason why the whole class of suits should be hit with the nerf bat.

Logi class =/= Assault class. Your ROLE IS TO SUPPORT. Not to be the front gunner. Enough said.

Wrong. Assaults will only ever have 1 equipment slot, that isn't going to cut it when things get tense. There will still be a demand for logis.


Right now a corporation could go into Planetary Conquest with everyone playing logistics and sweep the floor. That's when you know something is wrong. Fixing the Caldari bonus alone won't change that.

Logi is balanced. It is slower than assault, has less hp stock, and already gives up the sidearm.

Get over it assault guys. I'm not sure I think the shield bonus is , but that's about it.

I would sacrifice base health, and speed.


Then after that my light weapon slot, shortly following by one high, or low slot depending on race.

Then, if it really comes to it my grenade slot. THEN I would start giving up more high and low, till I have nothing but my equipment slots.

Really ? so i guess you never try to clear the area before you revive people ? Not point on reviving someone, if they just going to get kill immediately ...

I need a good weapon and good shields to do a " Good " Logi job... other hows, i'm more useful as a Repair / Assault class.

I shouldn't have to give up anything, I already had to give up ~1.8 million SP and unlock an assault VK.0 I'm probably never going to use just to get into the damn suit. Want to know what the better question is? What would you need changed in your own respective class suits and weapons to make you want to go back to them?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize sidearms weren't good weapons, and if you were really doing your job they wouldn't go down in the first place. Also I guess you've never took a bullet for someone in this game, because when I rez people I stand in between them and the enemy with a repper on them all out. Theres also the fact that proto injectors brings them back to at least half health (depending on form of tank) and thats more than enough to get out of the area.

first don't change the weapon from a light to a side arm that's going to devalue the suit if they cant properly defend them selfs, and then people will simply opted for doing half a logis role as a assault with one equipment.

second knock off some slots a suit designed around using its equipment doesn't need that many slots to do its job.

third buff nanohives and fix injectors

remove any bonuses to tank and change them to something more in line with the logicitics role

DONT touch their PG/CPU or Armor/Shieldfor the love of god CCP just reduce the number of slots and change the bonuses around, dont do anything else. don't get creative or get any more bright ideas make one change at a time and see how that works, for once.

Absolutely nothing. The logi isnt the problem. The logi is a specialty suit that has no basic frame,

Watch this dev diary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=2

Granted its not current to what the current build is. But its shows you that its not the logi suit thats the issue but the other suits not really doing what they should be.

Dont incentivize ppl into assault suits by making logis less desirable. Make assaults more desirable(scouts and heavies ppl dont go into like they do into logi, otherwise id say buff them too).


But the reality is logi are meant to be very versatile, what makes them so good is there isnt a better rock or scissor in place to keep them in check.



Oh and just so im clear.


Logi-MD last build rocking triage and gauged nanohives, with REs or injector. With multiple variants including a hack fit, a tank fit and a heavy support fit.


This build

Gallente Logi, with multiple equipment variation fittings.

The only thing OP about logis is the caldari one, what with its extra low slot for LOL's and insane shield bonus. Don't force logi into sidearms only.

Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it

Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance

Damnit! CCP, make changes so I can stop agreeing with him. This is twice in a row. It's getting scary

Nothing... absolutely nothing.

Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too.

If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit.

Sidearm as primary... what a joke..

Nothing... absolutely nothing.

Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too.

If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit.

Sidearm as primary... what a joke..

So the assault is the only class that gets to shoot guns? Got it. How idiotic. Dust isn't designed to be a tight role based system, that's why we have modular suits.

No one here cares what you think the Logi role ought to be. Dust is meant to be a sandbox. You need to come up with a better argument than "wah, they can do what I do too, neeerrrf"

Please go back to your no thought shooter, no matter what it may be, and stop trying to dumb down dust

OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780
Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU?

So why not just the Caldari suit? Do you know that it is indeed pretty damn strong?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780
Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU?

I can't, but we need people to get a solid consensus going.

This way, if a change is Implemented, you guys can at least direct where it goes.

As I use the Amarr logi, I think I could give up some base hp, maybe have a look at my shield recharge times and I would welcome the suggested role bonus to equipment PG/CPU usage.

What comes to grenades, I use AV and Fluxes so assault guys can do the messy killing with their locuses

Amarr has higher hp because they less slots.

I don't get it... Logis only have one weapon slot, and many of you guys wanna change that to a sidearm slot only. Seriously...

My virginity

first don't change the weapon from a light to a side arm that's going to devalue the suit if they cant properly defend them selfs, and then people will simply opted for doing half a logis role as a assault with one equipment.

second knock off some slots a suit designed around using its equipment doesn't need that many slots to do its job.

third buff nanohives and fix injectors

remove any bonuses to tank and change them to something more in line with the logicitics role

DONT touch their PG/CPU or Armor/Shieldfor the love of god CCP just reduce the number of slots and change the bonuses around, dont do anything else. don't get creative or get any more bright ideas make one change at a time and see how that works, for once.

Just add so that shield extenders will have some drawback (increases profile) and/or stacking penalty. I think CCP want to do this in the future. Then people cannot abuse shield extenders together with the shield bonus on the caldari logistics dropsuit. I guess this is the "fix" we will see to this problem.

Removing light weapon from logi is a ridiculous idea.

Armor plates = - 3/5/10% movement speed
Shield extenders = ?????

Shields need a larger scan signature and sufficiently larger hit-box for every extender you put on. The hit box can go back down to the suit's respective frame size when it depletes. That way, caldari logibees will be easy targets.

This I mean I have yet to see anyone complain the Gal/Min/Amarr logi's are overpowered. So its obvious which the problem is which I think its mainly due to people who used to be former assault VK1 shield stackers now switching to the logi version for the extra shields. I mean if I stack armour on my Gal logi no one seems to care because it has a downside whereas having the extra shields from extenders has no downside then couple that with the extra HP per level of logi and still no downsides and you get a suit with all ups and no downs.

So my solution is change the Cal logi bonus to some kind of support bonus lengthen the shield regeneration time for the logi suits a little and add some kind of downside to shield extenders.

I think we need a "Should we adjust the the CALDARI logi and assaults bonusses?"-thread

i guess you never try to clear the area before you revive people ? Not point on reviving someone, if they just going to get kill immediately ...

I need a good weapon and good shields to do a " Good " Logi job... other hows, i'm more useful as a Repair / Assault class.

The logi class can stay as it is, but give it a +25% malus to CPU and PG requirement of weapons.

That means a logi can absolutely fit an advanced light weapon, but it severely impacts his ability to fit a tank or equipment. A logi suit would then generally have to chose between a lower tier light weapon or a higher tier sidearm to make his fittings work.

Riiiight, and the other racial suits can continue to suck? Caldari assaults must really like that reload bonus, huh?

I shouldn't have to give up anything, I already had to give up ~1.8 million SP and unlock an assault VK.0 I'm probably never going to use just to get into the damn suit. Want to know what the better question is? What would you need changed in your own respective class suits and weapons to make you want to go back to them?

I don't get the idea behind logi's just having sidearms. How can I get the range? I run Caldari logi, but I'm only in a type one. If I could I would go Galente in a heartbeat. I like the slots because I can put biotics in my lows. Honestly I've yet to run into a logisault yet. Instead of crying nerf, other suits should be buffed & give better bonuses.

Assaults, specialise in killing, yes? Give them a damage bonus! Maybe 2% per racial level? That way proto's get a inbuilt complex damage mod that doesn't need fitting, logi's get an inbuilt complex repper at level 5, so why not?

Heavies, meant to take a beating like no other. Slam them a damage reduction bonus! That makes them walking tanks, as intended. Not just a fatsuit to hold a heavy weapon. I'm sure the fatties would appriciate a 3% bonus per level.

Scouts, I'm. Not sure of to be honest. Anyone got input on this?

Nothing... absolutely nothing.

Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too.

If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit.

Sidearm as primary... what a joke..

Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it

Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance

Anyway, I digress. Logis need only to have their high and low slots decreased.

Wrong. Assaults will only ever have 1 equipment slot, that isn't going to cut it when things get tense. There will still be a demand for logis.


Right now a corporation could go into Planetary Conquest with everyone playing logistics and sweep the floor. That's when you know something is wrong. Fixing the Caldari bonus alone won't change that.

Logi being the only suit able to use medium slots which affect how the logi works as a support class.

Repair Triage enhancers
Shield Booster Systems for allies
Nanite Boosters

etc so logis can tank the way they like but not over do it, they can equip the hack and damage mods while being balanced, and tailor their suit to a specific role like better heals or other scanning jobs.

E.g- Caldari Logi Suits now has 3 Highs, 3 Lows, 3 Mediums

u guys are still trying to get logis nerfed? ccp must be contemplating eating a bullet. what next? SMGs? Re nerf nova knives? theres not much left for u to ruin. lets nerf the MCC so skirm dont take so long. lets nerf scouts speed. lets nerf the repair gun so it has to be touching the player healed. we shud nerf melee so it actually hurts ur elbow. we cud nerf the assaulty suit so it only has one arm(.Lets see em reload then). this is the reason uprising sucks so bad. sissies afraid of logis n lasers and mass drivers and forge guns and tanks and lavs and HMGs and....... hell why even play?

Sorry if this point has already been made but I was getting too angry to read any furher through this thread but here goes.

I ran logi in the last build and continued in this much to my regret, first off the logi I'm using "Gallente" is anything but overpowered, why?

1) Yes I can fit lots of armour and other mods but I die faster than anyone else in my squad because the enemy focuses on me 1st leaving me needing to rejoin squad in a slow suit and usually out in the open. I dont know about the experience of other logis but I feel like something of a bullet magnet in so much as if I step into the open I get hit from somewhere instantly.

2) As a pure logi my k/d ratio is around 0.79 from last build this one its around 0.4, the isk rewards for me have dropped from around 200k isk per battle on average, with an advanced logi suit, 2 enhanced armour plates and 1 enhanced repper, any advanced weapon only if I fit enhanced light damage me mods ( essential if i stand any chance of defending myself) and all support eqpmt is militia blueprints it costs me 40k per death so any more than 3 and im bleeding isk. At the minute I die between 4-8 times per match either through gimped spawns or just getting nailed trying to get back to my squad with no speed to speak of.

3) I believe the hitbox on the logi to be around the same as a heavy so im kinda like a militia heavy but had to spend big on mods to get there, oh and im bright yellow, with no sidearm to switch to when I empty the clip so am forced to wait for reload.

So able to do a lot in terms of fitting yes but this is expensive, the role means you die a lot, this means something has to give but I dont think gimping the logi any more will help anyone. Anyone who wants the logi nerfed obviously never runs consistently with one or has run as one. Im not saying they're aren't some very good fps'ers using the logi suit cos if you can run it well, I would put it just behind a HAV for WP earning potential but the same goes for potential isk losses and frailties without good squad support.

Anyone skilling into CALDARI Logi right now should be comfortable with playing an equipment and support role. If you aren't, and you're just picking it because a forum post outed it as the flavour of the month, you'd better brace for disappointment and start learning the lesson most Eve players learnt the hard way a decade ago. Pick the general role you want to play, and don't get hung up on the hard figures, because they will change a lot to put the class where it needs to be as the game evolves.

Would be nice to have more equipment slots in exchange of some high/low slots, while keeping the ability to use light weapons. Bonuses focusing more on support role would also help a lot.

Protos aside, I hope CCP take a look at ADV tier as well, because Amarr Logi ADV is very disappointing, as it has only 2 equipment slots and no side arm. I would happily trade 1 low for an extra equipment slot. Running proto full time to have the basic 3 equipment slots is a no go for most players I guess.

So for example you are saying: Medics on the Frontline should only be given minimal survive-ability. In modern military's would you expect them to send them medics in with a pistol and say good luck keep our guys alive. Military medics are sometimes the best equipped soldiers on the battlefield because they can't save someone if they can't protect themselves.

Nice information but personally I believe the only suit that really got stuffed was the amarr medium frames because every other frame has 7 module slots as opposed to amarrs having 6 again I don't understand the thinking behind it considering the amarrs racial benefits are the worst of all

a lot of people I know say they like the extra repair both in usefulness and lore.

I thought a logi was a combat medic! Combat being the first roll he should play until he fire fight is over. If you survive then its your job to resupply, pick up or repair your squad mates. At least that's how I roll

That's not exactly true, we have war laws the protect medics so long as they properly identify themselves. They also mostly only carry sidearms, in case they run into someone who doesn't respect those laws.

That said, "shoot the medic" always applies in Dust.

Medics are my primary targets, cause if they survive then the squad gets revived.

That's not exactly true, we have war laws the protect medics so long as they properly identify themselves. They also mostly only carry sidearms, in case they run into someone who doesn't respect those laws.

That said, "shoot the medic" always applies in Dust.

However, the enemies faced by professional armies in more recent conflicts are often insurgents who either do not recognize the Geneva Convention, or do not care, and readily engage all personnel, irrespective of noncombatant status. For this reason, most modern combat medics are armed combatants who do not wear distinguishing markings.[7] Combat Medics in the United States Army and United States Navy Hospital Corpsman are virtually indistinguishable from regular combat troops, except for the extra medical equipment they carry.

With a combat unit, they function as a member of an infantry platoon up until the point that one of their comrades is wounded. Therefore, the Medic carries basically what a Rifleman or any other soldier carries. His Basic Equipment is usually:

An M4 rifle and in some units an M9 pistol.
A MOLLE Vest with a full "combat load," being (most often) 210 rounds for the M-4/M-16 rifle.
An IBA or Interceptor Body Armor, now being phased out in favor for the newer IOTV;
The Army Combat Uniform;
An ACH, or Advanced Combat Helmet.

I agree with this logic. The logi should be primaried, so already have a target on our backs already. The bright suits make it easy mode as it is more of a homing beacon now.

Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying.

Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf.

So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively.

Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on.