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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.10 23:20:00 -
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Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying.
Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf.
So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively.
Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:20:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying.
Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf.
So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively.
Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on. Logi is balanced. It is slower than assault, has less hp stock, and already gives up the sidearm. Get over it assault guys. I'm not sure I think the shield bonus is , but that's about it. I'm not looking for a nerf. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 00:31:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I shouldn't have to give up anything, I already had to give up ~1.8 million SP and unlock an assault VK.0 I'm probably never going to use just to get into the damn suit. Want to know what the better question is? What would you need changed in your own respective class suits and weapons to make you want to go back to them? I'd give up the assault bonuses on my gallente for...pretty much anything. Including a increase to armour repair modules. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:57:00 -
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Adewale Gbaski wrote:Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it
Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance Thats what I'd like to avoid. Lets fine tune it before people complain about so hard CCP just swings the nerf hammer into oblivion(not that they do that.) |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 04:57:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU? I can't, but we need people to get a solid consensus going.
This way, if a change is Implemented, you guys can at least direct where it goes. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.05.11 05:10:00 -
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Would caldari logis be fine with giving bonuses so there brother logis could remain untouched? |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 12:47:00 -
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Honestly, since they buffed the dmg we all do, its way easier to chew through logis. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.11 17:38:00 -
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Sparadok wrote:Sorry if this point has already been made but I was getting too angry to read any furher through this thread but here goes.
I ran logi in the last build and continued in this much to my regret, first off the logi I'm using "Gallente" is anything but overpowered, why?
1) Yes I can fit lots of armour and other mods but I die faster than anyone else in my squad because the enemy focuses on me 1st leaving me needing to rejoin squad in a slow suit and usually out in the open. I dont know about the experience of other logis but I feel like something of a bullet magnet in so much as if I step into the open I get hit from somewhere instantly.
2) As a pure logi my k/d ratio is around 0.79 from last build this one its around 0.4, the isk rewards for me have dropped from around 200k isk per battle on average, with an advanced logi suit, 2 enhanced armour plates and 1 enhanced repper, any advanced weapon only if I fit enhanced light damage me mods ( essential if i stand any chance of defending myself) and all support eqpmt is militia blueprints it costs me 40k per death so any more than 3 and im bleeding isk. At the minute I die between 4-8 times per match either through gimped spawns or just getting nailed trying to get back to my squad with no speed to speak of.
3) I believe the hitbox on the logi to be around the same as a heavy so im kinda like a militia heavy but had to spend big on mods to get there, oh and im bright yellow, with no sidearm to switch to when I empty the clip so am forced to wait for reload.
So able to do a lot in terms of fitting yes but this is expensive, the role means you die a lot, this means something has to give but I dont think gimping the logi any more will help anyone. Anyone who wants the logi nerfed obviously never runs consistently with one or has run as one. Im not saying they're aren't some very good fps'ers using the logi suit cos if you can run it well, I would put it just behind a HAV for WP earning potential but the same goes for potential isk losses and frailties without good squad support. Believe me, the last thing I want is a nerf for logis. I run with alot of good ones who keep my dumbass on alive on the field. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.12 14:34:00 -
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NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:So for example you are saying: Medics on the Frontline should only be given minimal survive-ability. In modern military's would you expect them to send them medics in with a pistol and say good luck keep our guys alive. Military medics are sometimes the best equipped soldiers on the battlefield because they can't save someone if they can't protect themselves.
That's not exactly true, we have war laws the protect medics so long as they properly identify themselves. They also mostly only carry sidearms, in case they run into someone who doesn't respect those laws. That said, "shoot the medic" always applies in Dust. Medics are my primary targets, cause if they survive then the squad gets revived. |
Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.13 03:22:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:NeoWraith Acedia wrote:Ronan Elsword wrote:So for example you are saying: Medics on the Frontline should only be given minimal survive-ability. In modern military's would you expect them to send them medics in with a pistol and say good luck keep our guys alive. Military medics are sometimes the best equipped soldiers on the battlefield because they can't save someone if they can't protect themselves.
That's not exactly true, we have war laws the protect medics so long as they properly identify themselves. They also mostly only carry sidearms, in case they run into someone who doesn't respect those laws. That said, "shoot the medic" always applies in Dust. Medics are my primary targets, cause if they survive then the squad gets revived. I agree with this logic. The logi should be primaried, so already have a target on our backs already. The bright suits make it easy mode as it is more of a homing beacon now. Wow, I get that now. They are giant glowing targets. |
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Cody Sietz
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.13 04:09:00 -
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Fred, I don't want a logi nerf.
I want the community to agree on what should be done. Fine tune the suit. |
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