DUST Search - What would you, as a logi, be willing to give up in order to balance your suit?

Cosgar wrote:

Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:

Absolutely nothing. The logi isnt the problem. The logi is a specialty suit that has no basic frame,

Watch this dev diary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=2

Granted its not current to what the current build is. But its shows you that its not the logi suit thats the issue but the other suits not really doing what they should be.

Dont incentivize ppl into assault suits by making logis less desirable. Make assaults more desirable(scouts and heavies ppl dont go into like they do into logi, otherwise id say buff them too).

But the reality is logi are meant to be very versatile, what makes them so good is there isnt a better rock or scissor in place to keep them in check.

Oh and just so im clear.

Logi-MD last build rocking triage and gauged nanohives, with REs or injector. With multiple variants including a hack fit, a tank fit and a heavy support fit.

This build

Gallente Logi, with multiple equipment variation fittings.

Damnit! CCP, make changes so I can stop agreeing with him. This is twice in a row. It's getting scary Shocked

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Adewale Gbaski The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:13:00 - [31] - Quote Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance
Adewale Gbaski The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:14:00 - [32] - Quote ^accidental double post sorry
Chankk Saotome SyNergy Gaming EoN. 257	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:17:00 - [33] - Quote See Here What would I give up? Nothing. That's counter-intuitive to progressive game design. What needs to happen is to give other specialization classes a boost and incentive.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 300	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:18:00 - [34] - Quote Nothing Phoenix Arakyd wrote: The only thing OP about logis is the caldari one, what with its extra low slot for LOL's and insane shield bonus. Don't force logi into sidearms only. Exactly this Only the Caldari suit needs to be looked at https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&find=unread Suck it QQers
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 768	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:24:00 - [35] - Quote The Logi isnt the issue, its that the support bonuses for Assaults are completely underwhelming. 99% of people do not give two flying kittens about reload speed and sidearm magazine bonuses. The reduction in resources for Gallente hybrid weapons is...ok, but really not all that great. The Amarr bonus is fine. This leaves little incentive to actually spec into Assaults when you can get a much better benefit from being a logi. In addition the flat +5% shield recharge for all assaults is idiotic as well if you're playing a suit which is supposed to be armor tanked. Role bonuses should be representative of the RACE as well as the ROLE, not flat bonuses that don't make sense. I hate the shameless plug here, but I feel its best for the game if these bonuses get overhauled. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68555 I go into detail for all suit bonuses, but I'll list the Assault Specifically here ASSAULT SUITS: Amarr -Increased Armor Plate Efficacy / Lvl Amarr Medium Suits -Increased Cooldown Rate of Laser Weapons / Lvl Amarr Assault Caldari -Increased Shield Extender Efficacy / Lvl Caldari Medium Suits -Increased Effective Range of Hybrid Weapons / Lvl Caldari Assault Gallente -Increased Armor Repair module Efficacy / Lvl Gallente Medium Suits -Increased Damage of Hybrid Weapons / Lvl Gallente Assault Minmatar -Increased Shield Recharge Rate / Lvl Minmatar Medium Suits -Increased Stamina and Recovery / Lvl Minmatar Assault
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 107	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:57:00 - [36] - Quote Adewale Gbaski wrote: Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance Thats what I'd like to avoid. Lets fine tune it before people complain about so hard CCP just swings the nerf hammer into oblivion(not that they do that.)
P14GU3 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2013.05.11 03:04:00 - [37] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Absolutely nothing. The logi isnt the problem. The logi is a specialty suit that has no basic frame, Watch this dev diary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=2 Granted its not current to what the current build is. But its shows you that its not the logi suit thats the issue but the other suits not really doing what they should be. Dont incentivize ppl into assault suits by making logis less desirable. Make assaults more desirable(scouts and heavies ppl dont go into like they do into logi, otherwise id say buff them too). But the reality is logi are meant to be very versatile, what makes them so good is there isnt a better rock or scissor in place to keep them in check. Oh and just so im clear. Logi-MD last build rocking triage and gauged nanohives, with REs or injector. With multiple variants including a hack fit, a tank fit and a heavy support fit. This build Gallente Logi, with multiple equipment variation fittings. Damnit! CCP, make changes so I can stop agreeing with him. This is twice in a row. It's getting scary Is it scary that I had the exact same thought??
WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 256	Posted - 2013.05.11 03:22:00 - [38] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. 100% this.
Adewale Gbaski The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:09:00 - [39] - Quote +1 Cody
Commander Tuna KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 14	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:17:00 - [40] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. +1

XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:19:00 - [41] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Mary Sedillo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. Logi class =/= Assault class. Your ROLE IS TO SUPPORT. Not to be the front gunner. Enough said. So the assault is the only class that gets to shoot guns? Got it. How idiotic. Dust isn't designed to be a tight role based system, that's why we have modular suits. No one here cares what you think the Logi role ought to be. Dust is meant to be a sandbox. You need to come up with a better argument than "wah, they can do what I do too, neeerrrf" Please go back to your no thought shooter, no matter what it may be, and stop trying to dumb down dust OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 309	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:43:00 - [42] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU?
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 51	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:45:00 - [43] - Quote These are major changes being suggested, so if they are added they will have to do another respec...
xxMemphis KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 15	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:46:00 - [44] - Quote I think they should nerf the logi so he can only use militia side arm, the take away all the mod slots but 1 high and 1 low...while we are at it make all assaults slower, take away all equipment slots they only use them for theirselves anyway....then make the scout slower and have even less armor. What a joke....if people spent half the time crying on here in game learning how to defeat someone maybe we would have less qq. In all seriousness the assault suits have higher base HP...yet no one complains about them. Maybe all the logis should group and start qq about the assault guys being just as high in HP as a logi and they are faster, look better, qq more....If CCP hits logis with a huge nerf because 1 suit is flawed then DUST will turn into a huge game of COD/BF3. If they do it they better do it quick to because taking away a weapon or forcing major changes like you are suggesting will have to result in another SP reset. And then guess what assault will be the next nerf because then you will have lots of slots and be OP......yeah bubble fight SOON!!!
XeroTheBigBoss Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 286	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:51:00 - [45] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU? So why not just the Caldari suit? Do you know that it is indeed pretty damn strong?
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 309	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:57:00 - [46] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU? So why not just the Caldari suit? Do you know that it is indeed pretty damn strong? It is, and it needs to be looked at because it's too strong ,but you somehow think that justifies nerfing the entire class?
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2013.05.11 04:57:00 - [47] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU? I can't, but we need people to get a solid consensus going. This way, if a change is Implemented, you guys can at least direct where it goes.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 57	Posted - 2013.05.11 05:00:00 - [48] - Quote I would give up some base HP, because right now i can hold my own against any ground troop. I should not the deadliest out a squad of heavies and assaults. just don't touch the slots or speed and you'll find the logis will probably still be happy.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 309	Posted - 2013.05.11 05:01:00 - [49] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: OMG STFU. You only chose Logi cause it's strong stop acting like you are good. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780 Go on, tell us how logis are stronger than assault suits? And I mean Logis, not just the caldari suit. If you can't find any good reason or numbers, then how about you just STFU? I can't, but we need people to get a solid consensus going. This way, if a change is Implemented, you guys can at least direct where it goes. Well, as an Amarr logi, I wouldn't give up anything, those Caldari douches need to get their bonus dropped to 2-3% instead of 5% though. They're giving logis a bad name. I would then give assault users a damage buff, so that dealing damage becomes their specialty. Just 2% per level though.
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 109	Posted - 2013.05.11 05:10:00 - [50] - Quote Would caldari logis be fine with giving bonuses so there brother logis could remain untouched?

Shyeer Alvarin Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 66	Posted - 2013.05.11 05:24:00 - [51] - Quote What would fix the "broken" Caldari Logistics? People that armor tank actually equipping, throwing, and using Flux grenades. We have a clear cut and obvious counter. Just because people don't want to adapt to a new situation doesn't mean we need to get beaten to death with the bloody nerf bat. Here's my two cents for the people yelling for Logi to get nerfed/changed. If your ass is down on the front line, that line is breaking, and the only thing keeping the team from losing is being able to HOLD THAT DAMN LINE, until we can save your suit and keep you on the field: do you want someone that can take a few hits, pick you up and get you repped, or someone that has to duck for cover the entire because his shields and armor are made of paper? People have the tools to deal with the problem themselves.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 585	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:03:00 - [52] - Quote My virginity
Bad Heal The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:18:00 - [53] - Quote Logo needs no nerf, period. The scout and assault classes need some help. More scan radius for scouts, larger clip sizes for assaults. A scout and assault have a hard choice. Logo suit scout or logo assault.
Hecarim Van Hohen The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:20:00 - [54] - Quote As I use the Amarr logi, I think I could give up some base hp, maybe have a look at my shield recharge times and I would welcome the suggested role bonus to equipment PG/CPU usage. What comes to grenades, I use AV and Fluxes so assault guys can do the messy killing with their locuses
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 35	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:22:00 - [55] - Quote Really? NO ONE is going to answer why the entire class has to be nerfed? Wow.
Bad Heal The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:24:00 - [56] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: As I use the Amarr logi, I think I could give up some base hp, maybe have a look at my shield recharge times and I would welcome the suggested role bonus to equipment PG/CPU usage. What comes to grenades, I use AV and Fluxes so assault guys can do the messy killing with their locuses Amarr has higher hp because they less slots.
Bad Heal The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 3	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:30:00 - [57] - Quote Has anyone even done the math on caldari suits CPU/pg. if they run high shields they will give up on other things, eq, low slots(for CPU chips and pg upgrades), weapon lvl, ect. It's a give and take and the logi class has been done very well. As I just said its the other roles that need to be buffed, they're lame and it shows that same time and thought was not given to them
Hecarim Van Hohen The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:45:00 - [58] - Quote Bad Heal wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: As I use the Amarr logi, I think I could give up some base hp, maybe have a look at my shield recharge times and I would welcome the suggested role bonus to equipment PG/CPU usage. What comes to grenades, I use AV and Fluxes so assault guys can do the messy killing with their locuses Amarr has higher hp because they less slots. That is true and on proto level we sacrifice equ slot for a sidearm. Amarr is balanced and fits the lore. Iwithdraw my suggestions and propose that the problem suit being looked at with open mind, no need to cut down the whole logi series.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 243	Posted - 2013.05.11 06:53:00 - [59] - Quote I don't get it... Logis only have one weapon slot, and many of you guys wanna change that to a sidearm slot only. Seriously...
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 311	Posted - 2013.05.11 07:10:00 - [60] - Quote Gauder Berwyck wrote: I don't get it... Logis only have one weapon slot, and many of you guys wanna change that to a sidearm slot only. Seriously... ignore them...



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