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Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 105	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:20:00 - [1] - Quote Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying. Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf. So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively. Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 196	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote I'm a logi player since day 1. I would support a removal of high/low slots and light to sidearm. The reason is because the logi suit isn't specialized, it's basically an open suit to do a little bit of everything in. This is not how I envisioned Dust 514 when they were pitching it to me, where to specialize in something you have to give something else up. To have all these equipment slots we should have to give up our effectiveness in combat. I'm not saying make us ineffective, just less so than an assault. We shouldn't be able to do more damage then them nor have more armor/shields. In contrast, they should never be able to have more than 1 equipment slot. The only exception I see to this is the mass driver. Perhaps they can put a waiver in for logis to use the mass driver despite it being a light weapon, but that may be too confusing to players.
ZDub 303 Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group 77	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:38:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke..
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 164	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:40:00 - [4] - Quote I would support the swapping of the Light Weapon slot for a Sidearm slot. Anything more than that would be too much IMHO.
Delirium Inferno Edoras Corporation 196	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:41:00 - [5] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. Wrong. Assaults will only ever have 1 equipment slot, that isn't going to cut it when things get tense. There will still be a demand for logis. Right now a corporation could go into Planetary Conquest with everyone playing logistics and sweep the floor. That's when you know something is wrong. Fixing the Caldari bonus alone won't change that.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 112	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:42:00 - [6] - Quote I prefer my minmater assault suit.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 393	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying. Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf. So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively. Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on. Logi is balanced. It is slower than assault, has less hp stock, and already gives up the sidearm. Get over it assault guys. I'm not sure I think the shield bonus is , but that's about it.
Mary Sedillo XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 55	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:54:00 - [8] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. Logi class =/= Assault class. Your ROLE IS TO SUPPORT. Not to be the front gunner. Enough said.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 247	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:55:00 - [9] - Quote Logi being the only suit able to use medium slots which affect how the logi works as a support class. Repair Triage enhancers Shield Booster Systems for allies Nanite Boosters etc so logis can tank the way they like but not over do it, they can equip the hack and damage mods while being balanced, and tailor their suit to a specific role like better heals or other scanning jobs. E.g- Caldari Logi Suits now has 3 Highs, 3 Lows, 3 Mediums
arimal lavaren L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 246	Posted - 2013.05.10 23:57:00 - [10] - Quote The caldari logistics bonus could be toned down or changed, but I've yet to see any reason why the whole class of suits should be hit with the nerf bat.

Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 168	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:00:00 - [11] - Quote Q- "What would you, as a logi, be willing to give up in order to balance your suit?" A- "The Logi dropsuit..." I can see a big nerf coming to the Caldary Logi Suit... so i already switched back to the Assault one. I just need a Repair tool, and i can do half the job all the same... not revive for team mates.. but hey, i can repair their suits when they still alive.
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 294	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:01:00 - [12] - Quote arimal lavaren wrote: The caldari logistics bonus could be toned down or changed, but I've yet to see any reason why the whole class of suits should be hit with the nerf bat. This, change it to 2-3% percent instead of 5 and everything will be fine.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 393	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:05:00 - [13] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. Logi class =/= Assault class. Your ROLE IS TO SUPPORT. Not to be the front gunner. Enough said. So the assault is the only class that gets to shoot guns? Got it. How idiotic. Dust isn't designed to be a tight role based system, that's why we have modular suits. No one here cares what you think the Logi role ought to be. Dust is meant to be a sandbox. You need to come up with a better argument than "wah, they can do what I do too, neeerrrf" Please go back to your no thought shooter, no matter what it may be, and stop trying to dumb down dust
P14GU3 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 51	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote Decreased cpu/pg in exchange for a role bonus to decrease cpu/pg cost on equipment. The logi role bonus doesn't fit well with the lore and it makes the suit kinda OP. When I saw caldari got a bonus to shield AND armor I was like "WTF!" I almost chose it as my suit but I went gallente instead, because it has an equiptment bonus, which is suited for my playstyle, logistics..
NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:17:00 - [15] - Quote I would sacrifice base health, and speed. Then after that my light weapon slot, shortly following by one high, or low slot depending on race. Then, if it really comes to it my grenade slot. THEN I would start giving up more high and low, till I have nothing but my equipment slots.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 37	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:20:00 - [16] - Quote Delirium Inferno wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Nothing... absolutely nothing. Fix the caldari logi bonus and change the assault bonus to something more meaningful, that is ALL that is needed. I think CCP knows this too. If they kitten over the logi class by removing slots or our weapon, its gonna be the end of the logi class for sure.. and the only viable suit will be the assault suit. Sidearm as primary... what a joke.. Wrong. Assaults will only ever have 1 equipment slot, that isn't going to cut it when things get tense. There will still be a demand for logis. Right now a corporation could go into Planetary Conquest with everyone playing logistics and sweep the floor. That's when you know something is wrong. Fixing the Caldari bonus alone won't change that. Right NOW they could with the caldari logi dropsuit mainly because of the way way OP bonus it gets plus it's massive amount of slots. Removing that bonus exchanging it with something more suitable like 5%-10% shield recharge per level and removing one low slot on it would definitely put it back in line with the other logis. The self repairing bonus actually makes a LOT !! of sense. When it comes to assaults their bonuses are just way broken. They don't in any way enhance the assault gameplay. ASSAULT BONUSES. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that is what needs a major rework to push logis back in line. ..... mmm and then reworking scout and heavy bonuses to would definitel also be a good idea PS: give scouts their second equipment back, they didn't abuse it.
Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 107	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:20:00 - [17] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Now please, before anything. I do NOT support a logi nerf. I'm a assault player and I have as much a problemkilling logis as any other class. The hp regain can be annoying AT MOST. Thats it, slightly annoying. Problem is, I seem to be the minority so you guys may get a nerf. So before it happens, lets collect some data on how we can fix the "problem" with logi suits proactively. Lets get a discussion going and hit this one head on. Logi is balanced. It is slower than assault, has less hp stock, and already gives up the sidearm. Get over it assault guys. I'm not sure I think the shield bonus is , but that's about it. I'm not looking for a nerf.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 639	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:22:00 - [18] - Quote I shouldn't have to give up anything, I already had to give up ~1.8 million SP and unlock an assault VK.0 I'm probably never going to use just to get into the damn suit. Want to know what the better question is? What would you need changed in your own respective class suits and weapons to make you want to go back to them?
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 168	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:23:00 - [19] - Quote NewOldMan wrote: I would sacrifice base health, and speed. Then after that my light weapon slot, shortly following by one high, or low slot depending on race. Then, if it really comes to it my grenade slot. THEN I would start giving up more high and low, till I have nothing but my equipment slots. Really ? so i guess you never try to clear the area before you revive people ? Not point on reviving someone, if they just going to get kill immediately ... I need a good weapon and good shields to do a " Good " Logi job... other hows, i'm more useful as a Repair / Assault class.
NewOldMan KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 30	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:30:00 - [20] - Quote Panther Alpha wrote: Really ? so i guess you never try to clear the area before you revive people ? Not point on reviving someone, if they just going to get kill immediately ... I need a good weapon and good shields to do a " Good " Logi job... other hows, i'm more useful as a Repair / Assault class. I'm sorry, I didn't realize sidearms weren't good weapons, and if you were really doing your job they wouldn't go down in the first place. Also I guess you've never took a bullet for someone in this game, because when I rez people I stand in between them and the enemy with a repper on them all out. Theres also the fact that proto injectors brings them back to at least half health (depending on form of tank) and thats more than enough to get out of the area.

Cody Sietz The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 107	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:31:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I shouldn't have to give up anything, I already had to give up ~1.8 million SP and unlock an assault VK.0 I'm probably never going to use just to get into the damn suit. Want to know what the better question is? What would you need changed in your own respective class suits and weapons to make you want to go back to them? I'd give up the assault bonuses on my gallente for...pretty much anything. Including a increase to armour repair modules.
Panther Alpha WarRavens Orion Empire 168	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:34:00 - [22] - Quote NewOldMan wrote: Panther Alpha wrote: Really ? so i guess you never try to clear the area before you revive people ? Not point on reviving someone, if they just going to get kill immediately ... I need a good weapon and good shields to do a " Good " Logi job... other hows, i'm more useful as a Repair / Assault class. I'm sorry, I didn't realize sidearms weren't good weapons, and if you were really doing your job they wouldn't go down in the first place. Also I guess you've never took a bullet for someone in this game, because when I rez people I stand in between them and the enemy with a repper on them all out. Theres also the fact that proto injectors brings them back to at least half health (depending on form of tank) and thats more than enough to get out of the area. Obviously we have different ideas of what makes a " Good " Logi....That is why i wasn't a Logi in the previous build... and why i was trying in this one.. obviously no longer.
Ops Fox ZionTCD Unclaimed. 258	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:41:00 - [23] - Quote first don't change the weapon from a light to a side arm that's going to devalue the suit if they cant properly defend them selfs, and then people will simply opted for doing half a logis role as a assault with one equipment. second knock off some slots a suit designed around using its equipment doesn't need that many slots to do its job. third buff nanohives and fix injectors remove any bonuses to tank and change them to something more in line with the logicitics role DONT touch their PG/CPU or Armor/Shieldfor the love of god CCP just reduce the number of slots and change the bonuses around, dont do anything else. don't get creative or get any more bright ideas make one change at a time and see how that works, for once.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 639	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:43:00 - [24] - Quote Ops Fox wrote: first don't change the weapon from a light to a side arm that's going to devalue the suit if they cant properly defend them selfs, and then people will simply opted for doing half a logis role as a assault with one equipment. second knock off some slots a suit designed around using its equipment doesn't need that many slots to do its job. third buff nanohives and fix injectors remove any bonuses to tank and change them to something more in line with the logicitics role DONT touch their PG/CPU or Armor/Shieldfor the love of god CCP just reduce the number of slots and change the bonuses around, dont do anything else. don't get creative or get any more bright ideas make one change at a time and see how that works, for once. OMG, this!
Keyser Soze VerbalKint IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 297	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:46:00 - [25] - Quote Absolutely nothing. The logi isnt the problem. The logi is a specialty suit that has no basic frame, Watch this dev diary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=2 Granted its not current to what the current build is. But its shows you that its not the logi suit thats the issue but the other suits not really doing what they should be. Dont incentivize ppl into assault suits by making logis less desirable. Make assaults more desirable(scouts and heavies ppl dont go into like they do into logi, otherwise id say buff them too). But the reality is logi are meant to be very versatile, what makes them so good is there isnt a better rock or scissor in place to keep them in check.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 153	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:52:00 - [26] - Quote i Don't support side arm only. i would however be fine with a slot reduction. STD gallente logi: 0 high 2 low 3 equip 1 light weapon 1 grenade this suit is fine^ the proto however is mental 3 high slots? why? we don't have jammers or webs yet they're just tank/DAM slots and really unnecessary. 5 lows? this isn't an assault suit drop it to 4. i'll probably get a lot of hate for this but logis would need ehp on par with heavies for sidearm only to be okay edit: or there is the EvE tactic nerf the PG and CPU to limit the tank but give it huge role bonuses to the PG/CPU usage of logistics modules(uplinks,needles,rep tools)
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 639	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:53:00 - [27] - Quote Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote: Absolutely nothing. The logi isnt the problem. The logi is a specialty suit that has no basic frame, Watch this dev diary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaO2P41Op78&list=SPFC7B99173F4DC31F&index=2 Granted its not current to what the current build is. But its shows you that its not the logi suit thats the issue but the other suits not really doing what they should be. Dont incentivize ppl into assault suits by making logis less desirable. Make assaults more desirable(scouts and heavies ppl dont go into like they do into logi, otherwise id say buff them too). But the reality is logi are meant to be very versatile, what makes them so good is there isnt a better rock or scissor in place to keep them in check. Oh and just so im clear. Logi-MD last build rocking triage and gauged nanohives, with REs or injector. With multiple variants including a hack fit, a tank fit and a heavy support fit. This build Gallente Logi, with multiple equipment variation fittings. Damnit! CCP, make changes so I can stop agreeing with him. This is twice in a row. It's getting scary
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 31	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:55:00 - [28] - Quote Can someone PLEASE explain why the ENTIRE class has to be nerfed when the problem is the caldari suit?
Phoenix Arakyd Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 65	Posted - 2013.05.11 00:55:00 - [29] - Quote The only thing OP about logis is the caldari one, what with its extra low slot for LOL's and insane shield bonus. Don't force logi into sidearms only.
Adewale Gbaski The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION 2	Posted - 2013.05.11 02:10:00 - [30] - Quote Since we're suggesting equally stupid suggestions like total nerfs of a class, I say we just give logis the only equipment slots in the game.Thats a horrible idea but a few of you might like it Come on people we need to stop complaining about the things killing us.Sure some things are OP but you don't fix that by destroying an entire piece of the game you tweak it a bit if anything and on a specific case by case basis.At the end if Chromosome everything was almost perfectly balanced, but at the beginning of Uprising Heavies were destroyed .Fine they were nerfed , but at that time they could easily be brought back , but with everyone crying nerf and OP you guys are destroying the game.Just look at how crappy and unbalanced things are now.All thats left untouched are the assault suits and ARs and that is a huge imbalance



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