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Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:19:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:My first big question; is to those who were at fanfest; was Uprising THIS AWFUL ?????????
As from the tourny we all watched, gameplay looked much better, smoother and everything. So, CCP, WTF DID YOU DO !!!!!
At this point, i'd say scrap all of Uprising and give us Chromo back for another 1-3 months till you figure out how to put out an adequate new build. Uprising has been the worst build by far no comparison (as ive been here since early Replication build); and there isn't anything to give this build a gleam of hope to get better.
Lets look at the pos & neg :
POS: +6 man squads +no UVTs +game looks graphically a bit nicer
Neg: -game is ISK sink -game is SP sink -movement is sluggish -weapons are worthless -SP gain is atrocious -ambush isn't worth playing -skirmish isn't worth playing -starting players are F"d beyond any help -skilling into anything of need is a massive SP sink (there is grind, then there is worthless WTF are you thinking) -Nanohives are worthless till lv4 or 5 -spawn system is still pathetic -Still no balance b/t suits, weapons, vehicles; or anything
Should i keep going? Seriously CCP, did you hand off Uprising to a bunch of people with Down syndrome to make and test (as your in house testing group should be FIRED ASAP). There isn't anything remotely acceptable that was given to us. I know i may get banned for this; but CCP, you need a wakeup call from the community and not have anything sugarcoated.
I do give credit to CCP Eterne for making a post; but hopefully something comes of it; otherwise see player counts drop even more then they have the last few months.
Fix it. |
Brush Master
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
429
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:50:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hey guys, the sentiment is not going unnoted. I have sent this thread and other similar ones off to people. Hopefully we can get a more detailed breakdown of stuff for you, both in the near and distant future.
Good to hear. More information and access to a beta server sounds like some good steps for the future. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
263
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:52:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Hey guys, the sentiment is not going unnoted. I have sent this thread and other similar ones off to people. Hopefully we can get a more detailed breakdown of stuff for you, both in the near and distant future.
hey man, people are not rendered at distance, nanite injectors dont work. also its frustrating to see someone and not be able to hit them with no other weapon other than a sniper rifle, but then you use the sniper rifle and people far away are not rendered :( :( :( :( :( |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
263
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:53:00 -
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CCP Eterne save the game |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
867
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Posted - 2013.05.07 20:56:00 -
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Berserker007 wrote:My first big question; is to those who were at fanfest; was Uprising THIS AWFUL ?????????
As from the tourny we all watched, gameplay looked much better, smoother and everything. So, CCP, WTF DID YOU DO !!!!!
At this point, i'd say scrap all of Uprising and give us Chromo back for another 1-3 months till you figure out how to put out an adequate new build. Uprising has been the worst build by far no comparison (as ive been here since early Replication build); and there isn't anything to give this build a gleam of hope to get better.
Lets look at the pos & neg :
POS: +6 man squads +no UVTs +game looks graphically a bit nicer
Neg: -game is ISK sink -game is SP sink -movement is sluggish -weapons are worthless -SP gain is atrocious -ambush isn't worth playing -skirmish isn't worth playing -starting players are F"d beyond any help -skilling into anything of need is a massive SP sink (there is grind, then there is worthless WTF are you thinking) -Nanohives are worthless till lv4 or 5 -spawn system is still pathetic -Still no balance b/t suits, weapons, vehicles; or anything
Should i keep going? Seriously CCP, did you hand off Uprising to a bunch of people with Down syndrome to make and test (as your in house testing group should be FIRED ASAP). There isn't anything remotely acceptable that was given to us. I know i may get banned for this; but CCP, you need a wakeup call from the community and not have anything sugarcoated.
I do give credit to CCP Eterne for making a post; but hopefully something comes of it; otherwise see player counts drop even more then they have the last few months.
Is this the mild spoken Berserker I know? |
Turan chiron
Raymond James Corp
3
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:06:00 -
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I say fix the dropped matches and the weapon ranges and market the damn game. It's a free to play game from a company that has a long history of making their game better, for the most part lol. Get more players and the progression will be easier for new players. Also when planetary conquest comes I really hope there will be a way for corps to hire mercs to defend. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1474
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:08:00 -
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Moving forward I would like to make a personal belief I have extremely clear. This hasn't been the case, but I want to kill off in the crib the concept of having the CPM being involved in specific balance issue where the community isn't being involved as well.
CCP should always look to the community first when it comes to balancing and tweaking specific items, weapons, suits, etc. Some of the issues right now, if the community was given access to specific and IN DEPTH stats beforehand, would have been easily spotted before the build was locked in. I do not have confidence in 6 people being who CCP runs to first when there are major issues with specifics and would like suggestions for balance passes. CCP should come to the community first in a clear and concise way. Honesty and upfront communication must be the norm.
The community needs a full stats dump for all of the assets currently in the game. This needs to include all the details, suit slots, rate of fire, cpu requirements, damage, basic optimal range before falloff, damage bonuses for headshots, effectiveness against shields/armor, all of it. The community needs to be given a chance to make things right. The CPM can help advocate for the community, but it needs to be the community being involved directly with CCP. I agree with my CPM mate Kane regarding the fact that any modification brought to Dust in terms of balance, even if so little, needs to be out to the public PRIOR to any actual modification. Reasons have to be given on why it is done, feedback has to be taken regarding of it is a good idea or not, if it is done in the right scale etc... There is nothing wrong with transparency. And like Kane said, none of us in the CPM wants to decide for all of you.
This is not entirely true and you know it. |
Free Beers
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:09:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Berserker007 wrote:My first big question; is to those who were at fanfest; was Uprising THIS AWFUL ?????????
As from the tourny we all watched, gameplay looked much better, smoother and everything. So, CCP, WTF DID YOU DO !!!!!
At this point, i'd say scrap all of Uprising and give us Chromo back for another 1-3 months till you figure out how to put out an adequate new build. Uprising has been the worst build by far no comparison (as ive been here since early Replication build); and there isn't anything to give this build a gleam of hope to get better.
Lets look at the pos & neg :
POS: +6 man squads +no UVTs +game looks graphically a bit nicer
Neg: -game is ISK sink -game is SP sink -movement is sluggish -weapons are worthless -SP gain is atrocious -ambush isn't worth playing -skirmish isn't worth playing -starting players are F"d beyond any help -skilling into anything of need is a massive SP sink (there is grind, then there is worthless WTF are you thinking) -Nanohives are worthless till lv4 or 5 -spawn system is still pathetic -Still no balance b/t suits, weapons, vehicles; or anything
Should i keep going? Seriously CCP, did you hand off Uprising to a bunch of people with Down syndrome to make and test (as your in house testing group should be FIRED ASAP). There isn't anything remotely acceptable that was given to us. I know i may get banned for this; but CCP, you need a wakeup call from the community and not have anything sugarcoated.
I do give credit to CCP Eterne for making a post; but hopefully something comes of it; otherwise see player counts drop even more then they have the last few months. Is this the mild spoken Berserker I know?
I dont think I ever heard zerk even raise his voice. This sums up uprising |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1474
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:11:00 -
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Summer-Wolf wrote:Im sorry, as much as the message is nice Kain, all of you from the CPM pretty much praised the new updates and gave us much hope.
Now you are saying you are taking the community side?
And CCP, I have been with you since the beginning of this beta, spent a fair amount of money supporting you, but I wish I could get my money fully refunded now. This type of changes is simply too much. You made it even more unfair for new players to catch up to the pro players. And of course, mistakes cannot be changed.
Ill just leave my account in passive SP for a long time most likely, might fire it up a bit next week for new weapons. I think a lot of us are done with this game.
Full launch?! What the hell is that honestly, anyone can download this game for months now. This is a joke.
This is not the build they played at fanfest. CCP lied to them too. |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
282
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:18:00 -
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Kira Lannister wrote:Berserker007 wrote:My first big question; is to those who were at fanfest; was Uprising THIS AWFUL ?????????
As from the tourny we all watched, gameplay looked much better, smoother and everything. So, CCP, WTF DID YOU DO !!!!!
At this point, i'd say scrap all of Uprising and give us Chromo back for another 1-3 months till you figure out how to put out an adequate new build. Uprising has been the worst build by far no comparison (as ive been here since early Replication build); and there isn't anything to give this build a gleam of hope to get better.
Lets look at the pos & neg :
POS: +6 man squads +no UVTs +game looks graphically a bit nicer
Neg: -game is ISK sink -game is SP sink -movement is sluggish -weapons are worthless -SP gain is atrocious -ambush isn't worth playing -skirmish isn't worth playing -starting players are F"d beyond any help -skilling into anything of need is a massive SP sink (there is grind, then there is worthless WTF are you thinking) -Nanohives are worthless till lv4 or 5 -spawn system is still pathetic -Still no balance b/t suits, weapons, vehicles; or anything
Should i keep going? Seriously CCP, did you hand off Uprising to a bunch of people with Down syndrome to make and test (as your in house testing group should be FIRED ASAP). There isn't anything remotely acceptable that was given to us. I know i may get banned for this; but CCP, you need a wakeup call from the community and not have anything sugarcoated.
I do give credit to CCP Eterne for making a post; but hopefully something comes of it; otherwise see player counts drop even more then they have the last few months. Is this the mild spoken Berserker I know?
lol, yeah. I mean i normally keep a low profile, but in reading comments here and other topics i felt like the quite guy finally had to say something. People are being to "nice" to CCP or being a fanboy. I can say i've waited almost 3yrs for this game, and have played Dust for 11months straight. I gave up BF3 for it; and only take breaks to play BL2 if/when i hit mycap.
CCP needs a kick in the a$$ as a wake-up call that what was given to us should be unacceptable by ANY developers standard. We have the CPM (any of which i hold in high regards), yet b/c we dont know when or what they talk about or how often, the community is more like Oliver asking "can we i have some more".
One thing i agree w/ Zitro on is that CCP needs to pick a few people that are "the elite" in their role to help in the balancing aspect of the game; as whoever is in charge of that is horrible (like i said im not pulling punches). Whoever it is ranks as bad as the people from Zipper who intro'd random bullet spread.
So yeah; if CCP actually wants Uprising to be a success (and the game), actually let the community help; as im sure most of us at this point could balance this game better then anyone on your payroll. All you'd need to do is code/program, then say "yes sir" as we tell you what is needed |
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Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
282
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:21:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Berserker007 wrote:My first big question; is to those who were at fanfest; was Uprising THIS AWFUL ?????????
As from the tourny we all watched, gameplay looked much better, smoother and everything. So, CCP, WTF DID YOU DO !!!!!
At this point, i'd say scrap all of Uprising and give us Chromo back for another 1-3 months till you figure out how to put out an adequate new build. Uprising has been the worst build by far no comparison (as ive been here since early Replication build); and there isn't anything to give this build a gleam of hope to get better.
Lets look at the pos & neg :
POS: +6 man squads +no UVTs +game looks graphically a bit nicer
Neg: -game is ISK sink -game is SP sink -movement is sluggish -weapons are worthless -SP gain is atrocious -ambush isn't worth playing -skirmish isn't worth playing -starting players are F"d beyond any help -skilling into anything of need is a massive SP sink (there is grind, then there is worthless WTF are you thinking) -Nanohives are worthless till lv4 or 5 -spawn system is still pathetic -Still no balance b/t suits, weapons, vehicles; or anything
Should i keep going? Seriously CCP, did you hand off Uprising to a bunch of people with Down syndrome to make and test (as your in house testing group should be FIRED ASAP). There isn't anything remotely acceptable that was given to us. I know i may get banned for this; but CCP, you need a wakeup call from the community and not have anything sugarcoated.
I do give credit to CCP Eterne for making a post; but hopefully something comes of it; otherwise see player counts drop even more then they have the last few months. Is this the mild spoken Berserker I know? I dont think I ever heard zerk even raise his voice. This sums up uprising
yeah, i may complain about things like anyone else; but if i put out this content on a game id be ashamed of myself |
General Hornet
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
52
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:23:00 -
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Some people are saying the CPU and PG increase was a ploy to force people who want to remain competitive to spend money buying aurum so they can skill into mods sooner. Its actually a brilliant idea on ccps behalf if true. Several veteran players broke the 10 mill SP mark but there was allot of players playing catch up in 6 7 8 9 mill sp range. Guys have spent money before to buy aurum so they can equip somethings a bit sooner to put themselves on a more even playing field equipment wise to compete with the vets who have been going hard since day one. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
472
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:44:00 -
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While I'm not nearly as upset/disappointed with Uprising as a lot of people seem to be (overall it looks and feels much better than Chromosome) I agree that this build is problematic. It feels like an imbalanced, buggy beta build. Which would be fine if it was pitched as a release candidate or something instead of coming out of beta.
It doesn't help that PC is being opened up at the same time as all of these drastic changes. I can't imagine how players would have responded to Uprising if PC wasn't pushed to the 14th. I'm worried what the response will be if the that build doesn't fix some of these issues and people have to start PC with broken nanite injectors and such.
I'm guessing a large factor here was the EVE 10th anniversary and CCP wanting Uprising to be a celebratory/surprise event. Lots of secrets revealed. Sadly this seems to have backfired a bit. |
Ops Fox
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
238
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:47:00 -
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While no Dev will actually take the time to read this far into a "You screwed up again CCP" thread. I got to voice my support for showing us stat changes before hand as well as being more open. The only time I see a dev blog is when they are talking about some event or "introducing" a person they decided to represent the entire community. CCP given very little attention to the community or feedback to the community on updates and alot of people our tired of that.
There is no point in making a list of while this build sucks as bad as the last. CCP has failed two other times during beta even after thousands of people told them what was messed up. combined with their slow update speed during the beta it was pretty clear they are not listening to us, so I might as well not even say anything. |
Evil-Stuffed-Animal
Ahrendee Mercenaries
19
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Posted - 2013.05.07 21:52:00 -
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CCP be honest with us for a sec.
You guys let the "new hires" develop and code this build, right?
Shame, cuz I could have screwed it up this bad for a lot less money. Almost everyone at fanfest must be on the payroll as well because I don't recall reading anything hinting towards the epicness of "FAIL" that many Dusters are experiencing today. lol.
Beserk has his inner "Woo Sah" spec'd to Prof lvl 5 so he's not yelling even when he does yell. |
Thor Odinson42
Planetary Response Organization
168
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:00:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:While no Dev will actually take the time to read this far into a "You screwed up again CCP" thread. I got to voice my support for showing us stat changes before hand as well as being more open. The only time I see a dev blog is when they are talking about some event or "introducing" a person they decided to represent the entire community. CCP given very little attention to the community or feedback to the community on updates and alot of people our tired of that.
There is no point in making a list of while this build sucks as bad as the last. CCP has failed two other times during beta even after thousands of people told them what was messed up. combined with their slow update speed during the beta it was pretty clear they are not listening to us, so I might as well not even say anything. When the game fails they'll wonder why and this right here is the key.
As unhappy as this build has made me, it doesn't compare to the 15,000 times that I refreshed the Announcement forum to see if they finally released the respec/skill DEV blog. I tried to get into the IRC today and just stopped. Why would they choose to use that crap when they can use the forums? At this point I think the last thing on their minds should be security. I don't think any game companies are trying to steal their ideas. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
574
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:26:00 -
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lol, i do believe thor got it right, no one wants to steal CCP's garbage, the player count is a great way of seeing how alive (oops, i meant dead) the game REALLY is. if people that tried it loved it, we would have hundreds of thousands.....not barely 5000 |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:50:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Summer-Wolf wrote:Im sorry, as much as the message is nice Kain, all of you from the CPM pretty much praised the new updates and gave us much hope.
Now you are saying you are taking the community side?
And CCP, I have been with you since the beginning of this beta, spent a fair amount of money supporting you, but I wish I could get my money fully refunded now. This type of changes is simply too much. You made it even more unfair for new players to catch up to the pro players. And of course, mistakes cannot be changed.
Ill just leave my account in passive SP for a long time most likely, might fire it up a bit next week for new weapons. I think a lot of us are done with this game.
Full launch?! What the hell is that honestly, anyone can download this game for months now. This is a joke. This is not the build they played at fanfest. CCP lied to them too.
whoa really? how do you know this, if you dont mind me asking :|
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SoTa of PoP
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:51:00 -
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General Tiberius1 wrote:lol, i do believe thor got it right, no one wants to steal CCP's garbage, the player count is a great way of seeing how alive (oops, i meant dead) the game REALLY is. if people that tried it loved it, we would have hundreds of thousands.....not barely 5000 Pretty sure there were more members in ZTCD when I was in it then the entire current memberbase.
ZionShad is looking like a hero right now too.
EVERYTHINGS CHANGING :( |
Lockout Tagout
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:58:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Summer-Wolf wrote:Im sorry, as much as the message is nice Kain, all of you from the CPM pretty much praised the new updates and gave us much hope.
Now you are saying you are taking the community side?
And CCP, I have been with you since the beginning of this beta, spent a fair amount of money supporting you, but I wish I could get my money fully refunded now. This type of changes is simply too much. You made it even more unfair for new players to catch up to the pro players. And of course, mistakes cannot be changed.
Ill just leave my account in passive SP for a long time most likely, might fire it up a bit next week for new weapons. I think a lot of us are done with this game.
Full launch?! What the hell is that honestly, anyone can download this game for months now. This is a joke. This is not the build they played at fanfest. CCP lied to them too.
I want to hear this from an actual CPM or anyone that was at FF before I believe this. |
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Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
119
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:00:00 -
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KatanaPT wrote: This is not the build they played at fanfest. CCP lied to them too.
whoa really? how do you know this, if you dont mind me asking :| [/quote] My bet: He asked Regnum |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
343
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:06:00 -
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Judging by some of the comments in this thread i have to say this could go 2 ways good or bad , we could have people complaining and wanting the old ss skill to return the way it was and then if its get put back in people would complain about it and then we will be stuck in this endless cycle, i agree on free bears about the test server but it should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
815
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:10:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought
New players have as much right to make comment and post thoughts on balance. "I was here first" doesn't give any of us niche protection, nor should it.
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Nstomper
The Sangheli
343
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:12:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Nstomper wrote:should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought New players have as much right to make comment and post thoughts on balance. "I was here first" doesn't give any of us niche protection, nor should it. Ofcourse that would be the only thing you would right away pick out from my post stankfeet and if you read my comment i never said they didnt have the right to make comments and post thoughts on balances maybe you need to reread a few more time |
Taarec
Phoenix Reavers
7
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:19:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Nstomper wrote:should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought New players have as much right to make comment and post thoughts on balance. "I was here first" doesn't give any of us niche protection, nor should it.
No, but -usually- with age comes wisdom. |
Polish Hammer
Conspiratus Immortalis League of Infamy
363
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:29:00 -
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Mr Zitro wrote:The community deserves nothing!
Lovely. The exact attitude and selfish crap that won't get this game anywhere.
+1 Kain |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2758
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:35:00 -
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Taarec wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Nstomper wrote:should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought New players have as much right to make comment and post thoughts on balance. "I was here first" doesn't give any of us niche protection, nor should it. No, but -usually- with age comes wisdom. Pretty sure being a closed beta vet doesn't prove that you're old enough for that to apply. |
Taarec
Phoenix Reavers
7
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:36:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Taarec wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Nstomper wrote:should be limited to closed beta vets since we've been here forever just a thought New players have as much right to make comment and post thoughts on balance. "I was here first" doesn't give any of us niche protection, nor should it. No, but -usually- with age comes wisdom. Pretty sure being a closed beta vet doesn't prove that you're old enough for that to apply.
No, but you might have a greater understanding of game mechanics.
-might- |
Andrea Auroras
Forsaken Immortals
8
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:42:00 -
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Having an intresting chat in corp atm (mainly because we cba to play)
I have a corp of 50 and the general consensus is that we cba to play a game that isnt FUN. The fun has been sucked out of this game by QQers, whiners, moaners and ccp employees who seem to be the same guys who decided that mandatory captains cabin in eve was a great idea (btw i really enjoyed protesting in dodixie lol)
I was really wanting to spend time in this game, put the leg work in, build a corp etc but now my over-riding feeling is that it's not worth it. I really dont see myself putting in the same 8 years i put into eve online. Hell i cant even be bothered to cap out this week, whats the point?
You think the player base is bad now, just wait, if the major problems are not fixed by "release" the reviewers / metacritic / whoever are gonna rip this to shreds. And if most people are like me, we research our games b4 we put time/money into them.
Gaming is ment to be FUN, this |
Nstomper
The Sangheli
343
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Posted - 2013.05.07 23:45:00 -
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Andrea Auroras wrote:Having an intresting chat in corp atm (mainly because we cba to play) I have a corp of 50 and the general consensus is that we cba to play a game that isnt FUN. The fun has been sucked out of this game by QQers, whiners, moaners and ccp employees who seem to be the same guys who decided that mandatory captains cabin in eve was a great idea (btw i really enjoyed protesting in dodixie lol) I was really wanting to spend time in this game, put the leg work in, build a corp etc but now my over-riding feeling is that it's not worth it. I really dont see myself putting in the same 8 years i put into eve online. Hell i cant even be bothered to cap out this week, whats the point? You think the player base is bad now, just wait, if the major problems are not fixed by "release" the reviewers / metacritic / whoever are gonna rip this to shreds. And if most people are like me, we research our games b4 we put time/money into them. Gaming is ment to be FUN, this qqers , whiners , moaners is all we have atm, there are some that dont whwine and complain but sadly there are so little of us |
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