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I'm watching several of you to see how you step into this, you have the experience on the CSM but I haven't seen you fully engaged with Dust514 yet. Heinrich or Hans...TBD.

Yes it's very true that many of the fanbois/girl don't understand that their continual whitewash of CCP actions is actually very negative for the game, they reflexively "soothe" the community and it undermines their credibility time after time.

damn, out of feedback, and tired, so....trolling the trolls mode engaged

Please CCP Eterne we need a test server. While providing data on suits/guns/gear is helpful how the game actually plays is whats really important.

You have what it takes to be a goodposter Tiberius....don't stoop. Keep in mind there is a difference between trolling the trolls, and tossing them into the dumpster entirely using facts and truth.

All you had to do was:
Update graphics/UI
Remove sharpshooter - would have fixed the HMG without further touching its range/dmg
Fix iron sights
Not mess with nanite injectors/calling for help.

Instead, it appears you dev'd with a wrecking ball instead of a surgeon's scalpel.

Whoever decided this mess is launch ready should be fired.

Our concerns right now go far beyond making sure CCP notices this thread or that thread. Even amongst the trolling which only makes sorting through the information a more difficult chore, there is no shortage of expert advice amongst those of you in the community documenting the changes, discussing the problems with them, and posting effective solutions. The problem as I see it is that the expert advice is not being utilized efficiently (or at all in some cases) and a feedback loop has emerged where frustrated players post up solutions, see no result, get more frustrated, post twice as hard, and then get twice as frustrated.

This has of course come to a head with the deployment of Uprising, resulting in forums that have been unusable for days. I personally believe that this is a natural consequence of making noticeable and frustrating changes to the game without proper documentation, and without cluing the community into the reason why any of these changes were made in the first place. This is a perfect storm of the following:

1.) Seemingly arbitrary balancing changes made without advance notification to the community.
2.) Some balancing changes (like weapon ranges) completely alter the feel of combat and create negative side effects
3.) Lack of supporting explanation of said balancing changes
4.) Wasted player effort on trying to compile data that should be made public anyways, and weeks in advance
5.) Wasted player effort on trying to assess WHY a change was made, when the developers could just tell us.
6.) Forums that are inefficient at best and unusable at worst because discussions are not contained to concrete threads initiated by the developers responsible for the balancing changes.

Regardless of Telcontar's laughable claim that we are some spineless entity who exists to assist CCP with PR and who refuses to say anything critical to CCP, neither I nor the rest of the CPM will be standing idly while these issues continue to threaten the potential that Uprising has, which many of us saw at Fanfest. The reward for us sitting around parroting CCP's statements or whitewashing problems is a fundamentally worse product, and CCP gets no benefit for their investment by having us pretend everything is peachy.

With the "CPM SUX" abloobloo out of the way, we'll return to the subject at hand - there are indeed noticeable difference between the two builds, latency is clearly not the same as when it operated on private servers, and most of you are plenty familiar with the bug affecting KB/Mouse controls. On top of that, weapon and suit performance appears to be different as well. CCP was honest with attendees that the builds were not exactly the same, but we still deserved more information about what was changed and why.

None of these are insurmountable problems, and if enough effort is made to fix these issues in the immediate future, Uprising will still be a step forward for the game as a whole. What it does mean is that we need to get into the nuts and bolts of balancing with an unprecedented level of transparency, as Dust 514 deserves to be a hardcore FPS with rock solid core gunplay. I personally believe that having a stable, balanced core with excellent latency, hit detection, polished weapons, and logical suit bonuses with a satisfying pace of progression should be CCP's #1 priority. FW, PC, none of these exciting game modes will be fulfilling if the game is frustrating at its core.

The CPM's top priority at the moment is finding out what can be fixed between now and May 14, as well as correcting the communication patterns that have created the current forum culture and justifiable unrest. Be assured we will be doing as much as possible to ensure that we secure this dialogue surrounding core gameplay with the level of transparency that you deserve.

Just as those of us on the CSM successfully transformed the way that the we interacted with the development teams last year and secured our status as a stakeholder, I am confident the CPM will successfully change the way that CCP interacts with the community in the days ahead as well. In the meantime the naysaying bullshit will continue (as CSM7 endured all last year until everyone saw Retribution's subscriber numbers and the Odyssey feature list), but the claims that the CPM can't make a difference have already been torpedoed once, and I'm happy to dumpster them again and again as often as I'm given the opportunity.

Thank you all for your patience and hard work in the meantime. I welcome you to get into contact with us personally with your concerns and suggestions, you have created far too many threads for us to grace them all with our presence.

Moving forward I would like to make a personal belief I have extremely clear. This hasn't been the case, but I want to kill off in the crib the concept of having the CPM being involved in specific balance issues where the community isn't being involved as well.

CCP should always look to the community first when it comes to balancing and tweaking specific items, weapons, suits, etc. Some of the issues right now, if the community was given access to specific and IN DEPTH stats beforehand, would have been easily spotted before the build was locked in. I do not have confidence in 6 people being who CCP runs to first when there are major issues with specifics and would like suggestions for balance passes. CCP should come to the community first in a clear and concise way. Honesty and upfront communication must be the norm.

The community needs a full stats dump for all of the assets currently in the game. This needs to include all the details, suit slots, rate of fire, cpu requirements, damage, basic optimal range before falloff, damage bonuses for headshots, effectiveness against shields/armor, all of it. The community needs to be given a chance to make things right. The CPM can help advocate for the community, but it needs to be the community being involved directly with CCP.

quick question, has anyone even bothered to SAVE sp for the new weapons?

quick question, has anyone even bothered to SAVE sp for the new weapons?

Not all. You're actively trying to hinder progress by discouraging others from helping out and working with the CPM by lying and misinformation. It is actually my pleasure to put a bullet through your bullshit.



Thank you for proving my point, you're as predictable as clockwork.

It's my belief that if the ENTIRE patch notes and item list were put out before hand (as well as optimal ranges for weapons)
This could of easily been avoided, as everyone would of been voicing their opinions as to what needs to go where.

The biggest fail of this build to me was the lack of communication, I mean for months all we got were small teasers as to how the skill system would be updated and how we would be getting a respec. Nothing to how Mass Driver blast radius would be nerfed (not even in the patch notes) Or how the logistics suit takes a lot more sp to spec into. The Heavy nerf is probably the biggest example.

Things like these could of been avoided. Months ago I could of known there wouldn't be any basic frame logis, and I could of asked someone about it. Now I just get to make a forum post and hope that it will make it in the next build in 4 months.

It's like talking to a wall, and hoping someone is on the other side to hear your cries for help.

spec'd into scrambler rifle lvl 5 prof. lvl 3 and flaylock lvl 3

using exile AR until the 14th

Bold move to spec so heavily into something that you haven't tested yet. In an attempt to avoid any possible future qq from the regular fanboys/girls, I'm willing to bet that CCP has already hit all "soonTM" weapons with the nerf-hammer to "lolbalance" them ... somehow.

One little point related to yours - I'd like to know why weapon stats are being hidden from us? The range and falloff of all weapons are listed in EVE, what is the motivation for concealing a weapon's range and falloff from DUST players? Doesn't make much sense to me.

From what I've been able to gather it isn't malicious intent. Whatever technical hurdles there may be though, you all deserve as must data about the things you are going to invest your time and money into when it comes to your SP, ISK, and AUR. With the dramatic changes in ranges it only makes sense that you all be given a comparison to Chromosome ranges and Uprising changes.

we didn't, so we guessed as we specced, got screwed when we realised that things were WAY off, and started yelling in the forums