And as you two "bro fist" I'm running both of you over in a MLT LAV.

And as you two "bro fist" I'm running both of you over in a MLT LAV.

Yeah, heavies should be killing anyone that isn't also a heavy, screw those logistics guys, right?

Sign me under Sloth9230, but only while I'm in a heavy suit

Like the HAV truce, I'm proposing a heavy truce. I once enjoyed facing other heavies, but as a sign of protest, let's not shoot each other.

Give a red dot heavy a bro fist, and continue on your way.

Of course, if a heavy fires on you, don't just stand there and take it lol

Signed the Truce:

Polish Hammer

100 proof

Hollow M Ling

Lance 2ballzStrong

No truce until heavies admit that it's the scouts that give them trouble and not infantry! give the scouts their due!

Like the HAV truce, I'm proposing a heavy truce. I once enjoyed facing other heavies, but as a sign of protest, let's not shoot each other.

Give a red dot heavy a bro fist, and continue on your way.

Of course, if a heavy fires on you, don't just stand there and take it lol

Signed the Truce:

Polish Hammer

100 proof

Hollow M Ling

Lance 2ballzStrong

Sloth9230

I refuse and will enjoy gunning you all down ;)

Gotta enjoy being somewhat effective while I can! <3

I'm sorry but I can't do this

Being effective... you mean now in this build? Yea!

We gotta see how effective we are in Uprising

team mates.

The truce would help HAV tankers out - they're expensive fortresses that pwn one another for us infantry. But heavies? You'll not have it so easy being none agressive to a heavy who'll potentially own your team mates.

... sounds great for a pub actually...

Like the HAV truce, I'm proposing a heavy truce. I once enjoyed facing other heavies, but as a sign of protest, let's not shoot each other.

Give a red dot heavy a bro fist, and continue on your way.

Of course, if a heavy fires on you, don't just stand there and take it lol

Please note: I don't expect this to actually happen... as I said below, it's more of a sign of comradery, cuz I give heavies going into Uprising props for sticking with the class.

I'm sure we all want to protest the class getting the shaft, but we all like facing other heavies. Sign the Truce as a sign of protest

Signed the Truce:

Polish Hammer

100 proof

Hollow M Ling

Lance 2ballzStrong

Sloth9230

Maraud''er

DeadlyAztec11

Boomer Dues Mortis


Angry over Something (#umadbroyolo)

Icy Tiger

Bojo The Mighty

i regret to say that i am not going heavy. As much as i loved the class and chasing ppl down, shooting them in the back as they run in fear and walking over who stay i want to win at the game. Not going assult cuz its OP but not ethire of the classes. I wish you luck my heavy bretheren! KILL ALL OF THEM!!! <3 <3

butbutbutbutbutbut


....YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!

Yea we're sad Maple won't be heavy with us... he's moved on to a better place

I have to think about this, if every heavies do it, then fair to say i will, i let you know

Sign to protest the HMG over nerf.

Sign to protest the HMG over nerf.

Sorry, not signing this either. CCP has numbers of where and what weapon kills what suit where carrying what and decided the information lead to this. I'm going to see where it goes with everything else before hopping aboard this train.

I have high hopes LLAV's fix on healing is going to turn us into slayers of fear like in the past.

DSTDH.

At least if this nerf is as bad as it sounds, then the only way to go is up.

You can't take away range, and take away dmg the same time and call that balance.

*Two weeks later*

CCP guy 1: Everyone on the forums keeps saying HMGs suck now
CCP guy 2: Do you think it was the range or damage nerf?
CCP guy 1: I don't know
CCP guy 2: What do you mean you "don't know"?
CCP guy 1: Well, we nerfed both at the same time... so we didn't get to see what would happen if we only nerfed one
CCP guy 2: So how do we fix this then?
CCP guy 3: increase ROF?
*gets backhanded*
CCP guy 4: Ehh, they're just heavies, who cares.

Yeah, heavies should be killing anyone that isn't also a heavy, screw those logistics guys, right?

Every build has seen a heavy nerf... don't know when this "up" might come, if it ever

I think the statistics are terribly skewed by players running super cheap suits to maximize ISK gain. Of course heavies are going to shred these guys. It probably doesn't help that anytime you kill someone with a HMG they go cry on the forums about how they lost a 1v1 and they shouldn't have.

*Two weeks later*

CCP guy 1: Everyone on the forums keeps saying HMGs suck now
CCP guy 2: Do you think it was the range or damage nerf?
CCP guy 1: I don't know
CCP guy 2: What do you mean you "don't know"?
CCP guy 1: Well, we nerfed both at the same time... so we didn't get to see what would happen if we only nerfed one
CCP guy 2: So how do we fix this then?
CCP guy 3: increase ROF?
*gets backhanded*
CCP guy 4: Ehh, they're just heavies, who cares?

Ccp guy 1: wait so your telling me the heavy has more base health but does less dmg at less range? That doesnt sound too bad....
Ccp guy 2: well yes. We buffed the health by like 75 so now they can take more dmg.
Ccp guy 1: wait..... 75? Thats like.... 2 shots from a duvolle.... wtf is that supposed to do?
Ccp guy 2: like I said dont worry. The assault players fund this game.... beaides they will prob come onto the forums and QQ about heavies having too much health....
Ccp guy 1: do you think we should tell them about the spool time shdbxien ed ichdnsixjbd
Ccp guy 2: wtf happened?
Ccp guy 3: ccp guy 1 has been reprimanded... I smashed his face into the keyboard to remind him we only only release certain information....

Ok so I changed the OP. I honestly didn't expect people to sign a cease fire.

So I changed this to put your name down as a sign of protest over the HMG over nerf

We all like facing other heavies, so let's not change that. We're a dying breed already. For those still going as Heavy HMG in Uprising, I give you my respect.



Signed

Polish Hammer

100 proof

Hollow M Ling

Lance 2ballzStrong

Sloth9230

Maraud''er

DeadlyAztec11

Boomer Dues Mortis

Elijah Sol' Dzusaki

Exmaple Core

Ultimate Heavy

Emi Love

Disturbingly Bored

undeadsoldier90

Angry over Something (#umadbroyolo)

Icy Tiger

Bojo The Mighty

I'm liking this little skit...sounds like it's based on a true story

5-6 Heavies a game is dead breed huh?

Everybody get your swimming trunks on yet another Heavy cry thread!!! They were just content yesterday how they finally got their buff but wait of course that's not enough. They need more health more damage and jet packs with fireball breath that does 5k splash with 30M splash range. Lol let's swim in the heavy tears!

Would love to see these 5-6 heavies a game you speak of. Probably 2-3... if you're lucky, and probably terrible heavies too. Usually you see heavies in Type 2 suit also...so lol.

Lol, yes you are right only 2 heavies a game LMFAO get good fatboy.

Shall I continue? Lol

How about you get good enough to start in a 8v8 game for PFBHz against a good team?

I like how you're an avg player, yet act like you're the ****. Kid, you're nothing special. Don't come here be all arrogant cuz of the tag you have

Btw, telling people "get good" is a weak troll...even by DUST forum standard.

Gotta do what you gotta do what you gotta do.

In all seriousness though, in the heat of battle I don't think heavies would be able to distinguish anyway. This is more for lulz and comradery than anything.

The heavies going into Uprising I give them props.

Didn't read HAV truce - are you suggesting I not kill you guys come uprising? Because either way I'm always looking to improve my class - and that'll happen playing against the best. And the guys listed here are some of 'em, so I can't do it. You all need to die.

i regret to say that i am not going heavy. As much as i loved the class and chasing ppl down, shooting them in the back as they run in fear and walking over who stay i want to win at the game. Not going assult cuz its OP but not ethire of the classes. I wish you luck my heavy bretheren! KILL ALL OF THEM!!! <3 <3

Must be nice living in lala land. You speak as if you know the situation with me. Yet you know NOTHING. I will let you keep thinking you are something great and I am just this nobody who sucks at dust yet maintains membership in a top corp :)

Ccp guy 1: wait so your telling me the heavy has more base health but does less dmg at less range? That doesnt sound too bad....
Ccp guy 2: well yes. We buffed the health by like 75 so now they can take more dmg.
Ccp guy 1: wait..... 75? Thats like.... 2 shots from a duvolle.... wtf is that supposed to do?
Ccp guy 2: like I said dont worry. The assault players fund this game.... beaides they will prob come onto the forums and QQ about heavies having too much health....
Ccp guy 1: do you think we should tell them about the spool time shdbxien ed ichdnsixjbd
Ccp guy 2: wtf happened?
Ccp guy 3: ccp guy 1 has been reprimanded... I smashed his face into the keyboard to remind him we only only release certain information....

I love you heavies bc we have a common enemy: the AR -toting cod bois. Luckily they'll be gone when blops 3 comes out. +1

I love you heavies bc we have a common enemy: the AR -toting cod bois. Luckily they'll be gone when blops 3 comes out. +1

Hey I just thought if heavies all decide to not kill heavies and tanks all RG snipe players and not other tanks do you know who is now at this biggest disadvantage?

The highlighter yellow logi running round like a beacon saying shoot me im shiny.

have some bacon

(Is that just a general have some bacon to cheer me up) or a subtle dig remembering my change bacon to "meat free snack of your choice idea."

Cheer you up

Well thank you for the offer but I shall have to decline and search for a potato or something.

Potato fried in bacon grease?

How about a coke?

How about a coke?

with bacon?



also, why am i not on the list yet?

Why do I get the feeling I say a coke is acceptable then some one claims coke contains pig ass cheeks or something lol.

I not on the list either

bacon is not in coke

bacon is not in coke

Oh right back on track lets see, heavies nerfed weapon, HAV nerfed HP and logi's turned into sunflowers.

There we go thread re-railment.

Fix the heavy

I guess we did something bad

i didn't say that!

and what did we do?

You are aware that this kind of thread does not give any valid feedback on anything right? :P

You are aware that this kind of thread does not give any valid feedback on anything right? :P

lolfeedback

We gave feedback threads in the correct section of the forums on numerous occasions for a couple months. Not QQ threads, but actual feedback.

CCP went and nerf the DMG, and range of the HMG lol.

Hey, good times. Not even mad at this point, just amazed

You still updating the list of names?

You still updating the list of names?

I will stick with the heavy, remember that the night is always the darkest before the dawn and right now this is the darkest state we have ever seen the heavies in. I ask my heavy brothers to stick it out and together we will rise and take back what is ours.

yea, trying to. I know i'm missing a couple atm.

Edit: Updated

HEY!

heavy RIGHT here!

Can I partially sign on? Heavy is my secondary role, and who doesn't like smoking fatties as a fatty?

yea, trying to. I know i'm missing a couple atm.

Edit: Updated

My name is still not there? general Tiberius1 and I are not the same person.

haha sowy

My name is still not there? general Tiberius1 and I are not the same person.

My name is still not there? general Tiberius1 and I are not the same person.

aright, done

So, you are expecting this thread to cause CCP to change the game for thousands.... when you have to double space between each person to make it look like a noticeable amount? Riiiight.

if you're against the HMG nerf, yes.

seeing as only a few hundred individuals post on the forums and you know, speak for the community (seems like the US congress at times, 25% max turnout, elected rule the masses)

so, yes.....the people listed ARE some of the most active players/trolls/posters around

I bad at this game

So, you are expecting this thread to cause CCP to change the game for thousands.... when you have to double space between each person to make it look like a noticeable amount? Riiiight.

part of the imp allaince, AND a funny troll, can't be THAT bad

I would prefer they stuck to looking at game habits and statistics instead of going off of a heart wrenching feels post.

All this qq is a bit too early. Should be saved until a few days after May 6th.

If people complain about it the day of release, you would say "wait longer to gather more information"
If people complain about it three weeks later, you would say "wait for the next build"
If people complain about the next build, you say "its not even here yet wait until it comes out"

Theres the trend on the forums for you.

If we see a problem NOW, we should post it NOW so it doesnt come as a complete shocker and surprise kick to the face, and CCP can work to fix it...

If you can read, make inferences and judge based on past experience then you can make reasonable assumptions about the game and post your concerns.

I would prefer they stuck to looking at game habits and statistics instead of going off of a heart wrenching feels post.

All this qq is a bit too early. Should be saved until a few days after May 6th.

I would prefer they stuck to looking at game habits and statistics instead of going off of a heart wrenching feels post.

All this qq is a bit too early. Should be saved until a few days after May 6th.

The notes are so vague though lol And you know, the patch list most likely doesnt even list all the changes because they became tired of typing it out or like watching people jump to conclusions as they clench for the worst.

just found this and lol'd thinking about today

Reduced range, and reduced damage on HMG

Seems straight forward to me.

You have to agree,
I mean the range nerf was okay but the damage nerf was not needed

You have to agree,
I mean the range nerf was okay but the damage nerf was not needed

i think this is the THIRD.....

what?

lol AR got pretty much the same nerf but the cost of our weapon didn't decrease. :/ I thought most people agreed the HMG was OP anyways. You still have 1k hp now your suites cost the same as assaults.

we havn't even seen the numbers on the buffs yet. Heavies currently are able to kill 2 people easily in a 2v1 engagement with that being justified by their price tag. CCP reduced the cost to the same amount as the assault therefore reduced their effectiveness.

we havn't even seen the numbers on the buffs yet. Heavies currently are able to kill 2 people easily in a 2v1 engagement with that being justified by their price tag. CCP reduced the cost to the same amount as the assault therefore reduced their effectiveness.

lol AR got pretty much the same nerf but the cost of our weapon didn't decrease. :/ I thought most people agreed the HMG was OP anyways. You still have 1k hp now your suites cost the same as assaults.

Suit prices don't count, they should have never been that high in the first place. If I sell you a steaming pile of crap for 100k and then bring it down to 1K, would that makes things any better? No I'm still trying to sell you crap. Not saying heavies are crap, but I'm sure you get the point.

lol 1K? Okay, lets see... 1012.5, our old max with type-IIs(cause that's what they are) was 930. Absolutely brilliant, 82.5 HP, that's about 2 shots from a Duvolle right? They did give it the reduced speed of a type-I though, but all in all that's not so bad.

Then slot layout, lets see.. We can no longer stack shield extenders, pretty useless on a heavy anyway. We can no longer stack damage mods, that's pretty pretty much ruins the only perk to armor tanking. Lets look at the positives now, we can stack more armor plates than ever before... at the cost of whats left of our mobility, and "lol armor", so that's not all that good. We can use more Armor Aeppers and Kinetic catalizers, that's something I guess.

And then the HMG... they cut range, which basically guarantees that ARs will always out range them, and they're going to cut who knows how much damage.. aside from taking our damage mods

lol, so don't come here talking about a class you've obviously never used, which I'm guessing is everything that isn't an Assault suit with an AR

It depends on the distance however in mid to cqc heavies take it over assaults. The stream of death from HMG is instant if you aim good.


their are a lot of heavies that i know if I enter CQC with I have no chance of surviving because i'll have to reload to kill them.

Also you can't expect the cost of the weapon the come down dramatically without the stats following. I also imagine CCP has the numbers to back up these alterations to the HMG.

snip

I can tell you have never played as a heavy in a competitive match.

Proto Assault >>>>> Proto heavy

^ this topic was discussed for a loooong time. In a perfect world with perfect balance that should not be the case in CQC, but it was.

So now they nerfed the dmg, so that balance, has not changed.

You argument about cost is flawed...please. If that logic was correct, then the Proto Heavy suit is suppose to cost more than 250k, since it got 75hp more.

So they reduced the price to lower the damage? That's what you're saying? Then why hasn't the price of suits gone up.

CCP don't work with numbers, they work with QQ threads on the forums. Assault players cried about it for months, so heavies decided to cry about a buff for months. Seems the Assault criers won this battle.

The heavies I play who actually strafe

..... I've played a lot of heaviesm and I know the good ones who can aim at a strafing player melts assault players, unless the heavy is giving away frees headshots (LOL @ Crouching heavies). The heavies I play who actually strafe take usually take more than a clip to kill and I've seen heavies fire continuously through 2 of my AR clips.

[a shield tanked assault player shooting at you with 3+ dmg mods.

Sorry Lance, but I must point out that that's impossible ATM. Those incoming Caldari Logis though...

cool, a list of CoD kids thinking they should be able to kill everything from accross the map with the HMG

proto HMG has an optimal range of 40m
proto AR has an optimal range of 39m

HMG low range? cool story bro

if you want to see what is low range, try out the SMG, 15m optimal range. that is low range.

cool, a list of CoD kids thinking they should be able to kill everything from accross the map with the HMG

proto HMG has an optimal range of 40m
proto AR has an optimal range of 39m

HMG low range? cool story bro

if you want to see what is low range, try out the SMG, 15m optimal range. that is low range. pretty obvious that some people have no clue what they are talking about when they say that HMG has low range.

lol... good one. Optimal range? You probably talking about the Assault HMG... yeeeaaah nobody uses that for a reason, it sucks.

If you knew anything, lol, then you would know at range the HMG tickles...BULLET SPREAD.

Didn't know that? well you learn something new everyday

perfect example of someone with no clue that wants HMG kill stuff accross the map
HMG is not supposed to kill people accross the map. and no, 40m is the range of the regular proto HMG...

Your numbers is not taking into consideration bullet spread, so it's meaningless.

anyway, you will still do more damage than anyone up close

because the HMG is not more accurate the longer it fires. because the HMG is meant to touch th AR domain. oh wait.

anyway, you will still do more damage than anyone up close, what is your point again? the heavy receives an isk buff, which means, it will now cost the same as everything else. you will still deal the most damage in your domain aka close range area denial and still be the toughest out of everyone and it costs you the same amount of isk.

or do you suggest that you should get more then everyone else when you pay the same amount of isk?


*quickedit* btw, not the optimal range will be reduced. the max range aka falloff will be reduced... optimal will be the same as it was.

Again, I'm just going by what I read. What I read suggests range in general, optimal, and max.

QQ

read patch notes

and yes, everything has to do with isk. welcome to new eden. you are not supposed to get more from less isk than everyone else.

Some people just don't understand what the role of a heavy is. You are not slayers, you are bullet sponges, tanks, distraction, the ones who supress, the ones who take the damage while the killers do the killing, if my word is not enough, go ahead and pay a visit to the class description. Wait untill you play the build and judge afterwards if you are underpowered or not. And also, thanks for calling me a noob, I love you too. Adapt or die.

Well I've been reading this long thread for a quite some time now with an analytical mind , guys, and you guys know that I like to analyse all possible information before going over board with a knee jerk reaction, boys and girls. Now everyone who knows me, know that I used to be a heavy last build, so I guess I you could say I know a thing or two about the topic. Now I've commented on a few heavy threads before and managed to calm the heavy community down (some people thought heavies will go extinct monday) a notch by explaining the raw logic behind the whole sharpshooter thing. Well, guys, let me hit you from the "Ric Barlom angle" here and maybe I can help you guys with some perspective on this whole issue.

Now first of all let me address this whole range nerf, and guys let's be exact here: We're talking about MAX range reduction here. Optimal range will still be the same. You see, most heavy dudes know that it's very hard to kill people at the maximum range with the HMG because of the bullet spread so this nerf will most likely have a very little effect on the battlefield situation. And oh yeah, it's still a nerf, I get it. Let's be honest though, not that of a big deal.

Now let's talk about that damage nerf. Well, guys, this is a bigger deal no question about it but I'd like to advice the heavy community to calm down a notch because let's be honest here, guys: We don't know the numbers. And let me tell you something else while I'm at it: we can look at the individual changes and get pissed off all we want, but until we see the bigger picture of how all of these different changes work together, we don't really know ****!

So guys I know we're all passionate about this game, and let me tell you there's not many people who are more passionate about this game than I am, but I'd suggest that we test these things out before we start planning protests and calling out CCP developers and game designers idiots and assholes! These guys are people too so let's give them a break because being a developer isn't a cake walk of a job anyways! Peace out!

I stopped reading when you said "distractions".

Sorry, but any class that is classified as a "distraction" is a joke.

WP = ISK. No kills, no WP... distracting enemies has no WP.

I'm entertaining this comment cuz it's one of the funniest things I've read so far.

Tank (gaming)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Tank (disambiguation).
A tank is a style of character in gaming, often associated with a character class. A common convention in real-time strategy games, role-playing games, MMORPGs, MOBAs and MUDs, tanks redirect enemy attacks and/or attention toward themselves in order to protect other characters or units. Since this role often requires them to suffer large amounts of damage, they rely on large amounts of vitality or armor, or alternatively evasiveness and misdirection.[1]
Tanks are often represented as large or heavily armored.

I am glad you are "entertaining" this comment even though I don't know how you actually do that. Maybe its your bad grammar. Either ways, you obviously have never heard of the role tank on an MMO, right? Low to medium damage, able to take a beating while the DPS does the damage dealing. But since you have no experience in that, let me pull out wikipedia for you, maybe you can get a little educated.

I'm gonna drop this "R Bomb" here too as it managed to calm down the heated emotions in one of the other heavy threads too. Courtesy of yours truly.

Lol...compares an MMO on PC to a FPS on console, and calls it balance. GG

You can't compare 2 games, 2 different genres at that, and justify the balancing. The mere fact that you call a class a distraction shows how much of a joke you think the class is.

You didn't answer me about how are we suppose to get WP? We get nothing for suppression, loldistracting.

May as well put heavies out there wearing a clowns hat. Why bother with an HMG? If we're not suppose to kill, give us a weapon that does NO damage to armor

Also, please quote me where I called you a "noob".

Lol...compares an MMO on PC to a FPS on console, and calls it balance. GG

You can't compare 2 games, 2 different genres at that, and justify the balancing. The mere fact that you call a class a distraction shows how much of a joke you think the class is.

You didn't answer me about how are we suppose to get WP? We get nothing for suppression, loldistracting.

May as well put heavies out there wearing a clowns hat. Why bother with an HMG? If we're not suppose to kill, give us a weapon that does NO damage to armor

Also, please quote me where I called you a "noob".

Guys, guys, guys... Let me pitch in here just enough to point out a few critical things you might have missed in this conversation. You see, we have a problem of perceptions here: Everyone has a different vision on where the heavy suit is headed and CCP seems to have theirs too. Everyone wants different things from the heavy! See my point? And that's the beautiful thing about it, guys: Heavies can use all of the light weapons and sidearms too. The heavy suit itself is getting buffed as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong here guys, while having it's price reduced. Now a heavy being slow but durable at the same time, lends itself at defensive duties better than any other suit no matter which weapon you decide to use. Now as far as getting WP as much as assaults, well that's gonna be tougher and maybe CCP should look into that.

You didn't call me noob, I saw someone that did so I put it up there, don't be so sensitive. Again, MMO is an MMO no matter where it plays. The moment this game launched as a tactical based MMOfps it was bound to have classes and roles and your role is to take damage. You can make hybrids by putting damage modifiers on for larger damage output in order to get "WP" even though I don't believe that a teamplayer cares more about WP instead of winning, showing me how much you love your team.

And about that clown hat, consider wearing it. Your "constructive" feedback cannot be taken seriously so might aswell get something nice out of it.

Hold up. This is a FPS, first and foremost. First Person Shooter. Everyone sees this and it is recognized as this. Yes it's also an MMO, but people not gonna see gameplay and say "Hey, that's a nice MMO!" It's a shooter.

Dmg mods on a heavy suit... riiiight. The new suit has 1 highslot.

In corp battles I don't care about WP, but in pubs WP = ISK = supporting myself.

lol...telling me about being a teamplayer. You even know WHY I'm a heavy? You even know how many roles I played in the beta? You even know how many corp battles i was in?

I'm a heavy cuz my team needed a heavy. I was the generic assault player running around with his AR. We need a heavy, and here I am. During the beta I tried every role minus vehicles, so I know a thing or two about roles and their purpose.

Who said this was ever about feedback??? Where did I ever say that??? You even read the title of the thread?! Where does it say i'm giving feedback?

Not sure if serious at this point, cuz yeaaah.

I can't bother with you anymore, you are arguing for the sake of arguing not for making the game better. So here's an advice. If you want to kill, pick a slayer class. Also, adapt or die. Corp battles don't make you a teamplayer by the way.

I posted in the actual Feedback section on a number of times about real issues with the heavy suits, so have a number of other heavies, and CCP listened. They lowered the price of the proto suit. So please, don't tell me about leaving feedback, I've done that. This thread was NEVER about feedback, hence it's in the General Discussion, so people can discuss...derp.

You can't tell me about being a teamplayer, you don't know me. You have never fought against me, or with me. Before today you probably never even heard of me. So keep your "advice" to yourself

Your posts proves how true my previous post was.