lol AR got pretty much the same nerf but the cost of our weapon didn't decrease. :/ I thought most people agreed the HMG was OP anyways. You still have 1k hp now your suites cost the same as assaults.

we havn't even seen the numbers on the buffs yet. Heavies currently are able to kill 2 people easily in a 2v1 engagement with that being justified by their price tag. CCP reduced the cost to the same amount as the assault therefore reduced their effectiveness.

we havn't even seen the numbers on the buffs yet. Heavies currently are able to kill 2 people easily in a 2v1 engagement with that being justified by their price tag. CCP reduced the cost to the same amount as the assault therefore reduced their effectiveness.

lol AR got pretty much the same nerf but the cost of our weapon didn't decrease. :/ I thought most people agreed the HMG was OP anyways. You still have 1k hp now your suites cost the same as assaults.

Suit prices don't count, they should have never been that high in the first place. If I sell you a steaming pile of crap for 100k and then bring it down to 1K, would that makes things any better? No I'm still trying to sell you crap. Not saying heavies are crap, but I'm sure you get the point.

lol 1K? Okay, lets see... 1012.5, our old max with type-IIs(cause that's what they are) was 930. Absolutely brilliant, 82.5 HP, that's about 2 shots from a Duvolle right? They did give it the reduced speed of a type-I though, but all in all that's not so bad.

Then slot layout, lets see.. We can no longer stack shield extenders, pretty useless on a heavy anyway. We can no longer stack damage mods, that's pretty pretty much ruins the only perk to armor tanking. Lets look at the positives now, we can stack more armor plates than ever before... at the cost of whats left of our mobility, and "lol armor", so that's not all that good. We can use more Armor Aeppers and Kinetic catalizers, that's something I guess.

And then the HMG... they cut range, which basically guarantees that ARs will always out range them, and they're going to cut who knows how much damage.. aside from taking our damage mods

lol, so don't come here talking about a class you've obviously never used, which I'm guessing is everything that isn't an Assault suit with an AR

It depends on the distance however in mid to cqc heavies take it over assaults. The stream of death from HMG is instant if you aim good.


their are a lot of heavies that i know if I enter CQC with I have no chance of surviving because i'll have to reload to kill them.

Also you can't expect the cost of the weapon the come down dramatically without the stats following. I also imagine CCP has the numbers to back up these alterations to the HMG.

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I can tell you have never played as a heavy in a competitive match.

Proto Assault >>>>> Proto heavy

^ this topic was discussed for a loooong time. In a perfect world with perfect balance that should not be the case in CQC, but it was.

So now they nerfed the dmg, so that balance, has not changed.

You argument about cost is flawed...please. If that logic was correct, then the Proto Heavy suit is suppose to cost more than 250k, since it got 75hp more.

So they reduced the price to lower the damage? That's what you're saying? Then why hasn't the price of suits gone up.

CCP don't work with numbers, they work with QQ threads on the forums. Assault players cried about it for months, so heavies decided to cry about a buff for months. Seems the Assault criers won this battle.

The heavies I play who actually strafe

..... I've played a lot of heaviesm and I know the good ones who can aim at a strafing player melts assault players, unless the heavy is giving away frees headshots (LOL @ Crouching heavies). The heavies I play who actually strafe take usually take more than a clip to kill and I've seen heavies fire continuously through 2 of my AR clips.

[a shield tanked assault player shooting at you with 3+ dmg mods.

Sorry Lance, but I must point out that that's impossible ATM. Those incoming Caldari Logis though...

cool, a list of CoD kids thinking they should be able to kill everything from accross the map with the HMG

proto HMG has an optimal range of 40m
proto AR has an optimal range of 39m

HMG low range? cool story bro

if you want to see what is low range, try out the SMG, 15m optimal range. that is low range.

cool, a list of CoD kids thinking they should be able to kill everything from accross the map with the HMG

proto HMG has an optimal range of 40m
proto AR has an optimal range of 39m

HMG low range? cool story bro

if you want to see what is low range, try out the SMG, 15m optimal range. that is low range. pretty obvious that some people have no clue what they are talking about when they say that HMG has low range.

lol... good one. Optimal range? You probably talking about the Assault HMG... yeeeaaah nobody uses that for a reason, it sucks.

If you knew anything, lol, then you would know at range the HMG tickles...BULLET SPREAD.

Didn't know that? well you learn something new everyday

perfect example of someone with no clue that wants HMG kill stuff accross the map
HMG is not supposed to kill people accross the map. and no, 40m is the range of the regular proto HMG...

Your numbers is not taking into consideration bullet spread, so it's meaningless.

anyway, you will still do more damage than anyone up close

because the HMG is not more accurate the longer it fires. because the HMG is meant to touch th AR domain. oh wait.

anyway, you will still do more damage than anyone up close, what is your point again? the heavy receives an isk buff, which means, it will now cost the same as everything else. you will still deal the most damage in your domain aka close range area denial and still be the toughest out of everyone and it costs you the same amount of isk.

or do you suggest that you should get more then everyone else when you pay the same amount of isk?


*quickedit* btw, not the optimal range will be reduced. the max range aka falloff will be reduced... optimal will be the same as it was.

Again, I'm just going by what I read. What I read suggests range in general, optimal, and max.

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