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Glossary of terms.

CCP is a game company who wants to launch this "triple-A game" and become some sort of shining star in the ocean of video games out there with their one-shard sandboxy ideals.

CPM is a group of players who have the trust of the community and acts as the mediator between CCP and players.

AFK is the exploit that allows risk-free farming of reward that is normally gained by active gameplay, by taking advantage of the real playing people.

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In the ideal situation.

CCP, with their ideals and goals in mind, what they do should have the wider gaming community in mind, because people are always watching. Maybe not now, but in the future, whatever you do is your history, and your history tells people what kind of games you make, and how you run it. To CCP, AFK should be regarded as an exploit and those who make use of it should be punished, or at least set a target of getting the problem fixed.

CPM, with player's interest in mind, should discourage this AFK exploit because it is not doing the game any good. It is a stupid bug, a stupid exploit that ruins the game for those who want to actually play. CPM, normally, should discourage AFK farming, and should be communicating to CCP about how unhealthy this is.

AFK, being an exploit that ruins, nullify, invalidate, even discourage active gameplay (why fight a fight without your teammates when you can just AFK with them?), should be made illegal, discouraged, and eliminated with the fury of a thousand suns.

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In reality.

CCP is quiet about the whole thing, and does not seem to care about the cancer that is killing the game.

CPM is actively AFKing, and openly talks about it in the forum, and takes no action to discourage this exploit.

AFK is not regarded as an exploit, and is the most rewarding way, the perfect way to "play" the game.

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In my heart, crying out loud.

What the flying kittens.

TL:DR version right there.

Why care if someone AFK farms? I mean it's pub matches. I could understand if it was in corp battles or PC but pub matches are boring and full of bad blue and red barries.

In reality.

CCP is quiet about the whole thing, and does not seem to care about the cancer that is killing the game.

CPM is actively AFKing, and openly talks about it in the forum, and takes no action to discourage this exploit.

AFK is not regarded as an exploit, and is the most rewarding way, the perfect way to "play" the game.

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In my heart, crying out loud.

What the flying kittens.

A lot of those bad blue and reds are trying to learn how to play the game... and it's just possible that having good players showing them how it works might help them out.

CCP knows about the issue and are working to fix it allong with advisement of the CPM in the new build. CCP has not, however, deemed it to be a exploit and so far have no plans to punish those doing it.

We are in a sandbox with lots of tools to do what we want. its our choice to do what we want and build what we want with those tools so long as they exist. Regardless of if i like them or not, its not my place to tell people how to play with those tools, its CCPs.

Your failure to recognize this AFK mechanism to be a cancerous and is killing the game worries me.

Your "sandbox" argument does not even make sense. Sandbox refers to the endless possibilities players can create with their tools. AFK makes it meaningless to play with the sandbox. How can you not see this?

i never said that it was a good thing, i totally agree that it needs to go and we are working out a new system.

you will never see me saying that AFKing is a good thing, but you will never see me saying that people shoulnt use it while its here.

i never said that it was a good thing, i totally agree that it needs to go and we are working out a new system.

you will never see me saying that AFKing is a good thing, but you will never see me saying that people shoulnt use it while its here.

Just last night, I single handedly won a skirmish match all by myself. Not because I'm this godly FPS player, because I was the only one that wasn't AFK.

TL;DR version: Why isn't CPM babying the community and telling them how naughty they are while informing CCP of what they already know?

Your welcome

but you will never see me saying that people shoulnt use it while its here.

wait... people still going on about AFK players?

Looks like we have ourselves a comedian.

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Aside from that...


That's exactly what you should be doing as CPM.
Looking for bugs by trying to exploit the game mechanics is one thing, finding them and abusing/encouraging people to is another.


Llan Heindell.

wait... people still going on about AFK players?

The CPM's role to help pass the wishes of the players to CCP and vice versa,it is not the CPM's role to tell people what they can and can't do, as Jenza was saying, it's a sandbox,if someone just wants to sit in it and do nothing it's their choice.

Your failure to recognize this AFK mechanism to be a cancerous and is killing the game worries me.

Your "sandbox" argument does not even make sense. Sandbox refers to the endless possibilities players can create with their tools. AFK makes it meaningless to play with the sandbox. How can you not see this?

No one has any right to tell anyone how to play in the sandbox. You built a sand castle? Here, I'm gonna destroy it even though you spent 6 months creating it. You bought those shovels for the sandbox? Here, let me steal them from you. You worked hard for that ISK? Here, let me scam them from you.

What I'm trying to say here is that everyone here is allowed to do as they wish. We are in New Eden which means there are very little rules and CCP doesn't care how we use the tools they give us.

No, they aren't. I'm not sure how long you've been in the beta, but there was a time when people were just crashing LAVs into stuff behind the red line, then repairing them and earning WP (and thus SP) that way. Was that okay? No, and CCP siad as much by fixing it.

This whole "Oh it's a sandbox so I can do whatever I want *stick out tongue*" is asinine. Remember the recent bug that allowed you to get almost limitless orbitals just by team killing to 2450 and then getting 2500 again? Yea, that wasn't kosher either. People AFKing ruins my experience just as much as that exploit would have. When people who aren't even playing the game are ruining it for those who are, the game is flawed.

the game is flawed.

People AFKing ruins my experience

Did CCP punish the players crashing those LAVs? No they didn't. I was there when those shenanigans occurred and when orbital strikes were coming in literally every minute during the whole 15 minute match. CCP will fix the problem the AFKing but will not punish the players who were AFKing because no rules were broken.